HHW Instance

[seanthien]

I'd like to see haunted house west instanced.

I was thinking to myself "Why don't I just do des scrolls. There's not a lot of other ways to fund myself..Oh yeah, I get looted by people walking by."

It doesn't happen often but I can't get a peace of mind knowing that at any moment some stranger could walk in and easily take my hours worth of scrolling by simply grabbing what he sees.

Thoughts?

[Draenin]

A private way to de-value diamonds and other items even more? BRILLIANT!

Here's an even better idea: A private high-value currency-printing machine that you can store in player houses, which requires only a few platinum coins to use each time. Totally won't wreck the economy again. Totally won't.



Again, here's an important lesson from Duck Tales about how inflation happens.



Sound familiar? It should.

[seanthien]

I'm not really following you here on what you're saying, maybe I'm too ignorant.

I don't see how this'll cause any trouble considering that diamonds aren't really the currency anymore and they never should have been in the first place. Like I said though, perhaps I'm gettnig the wrong idea?

Are you trolling me Draenin.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Yay counterfeiting!

[Supaman771]

I agree here with Sean.

We are seeing a influx of new players with the tab switch and updates, so it's more common for them to be roaming around and not knowingly swipe all your HHW drops.

It is also less common for players to even bother doing dest scrolls... because:
1. Brutals, and all maps are essentially useless at the current time.
2. You already would've spent a portion of those Diamonds or Sapphires to obtain the scroll spawning/purchase plat anyway.
3. If you can already write the scrolls, rubies are useless to you aswell.
Since the drops are random, these points make it not a very profitable endeavor anymore.

And now, the economical currencies are fairly streamlined. With items being valued by tigability... 500 diamonds is tigable. Equivalent to 4GK or 5EC, logically means a single GK or EC would be 125 or 100 diamonds, respectively. This remaining for any duration of time until tigability changes, which is a controlled factor.

Your blog is incredibly outdated. Though I understand that wasn't your point, I don't see how this would increase the desting rate so much higher than currently (flood the.. economy?), as opposed to just making it more secure.

Perhaps if there was simply a way to determine which player killed the final monster in the room, and limited the drops to them for a minute or so, it would achieve a level of security without opening multiple rooms to be spawned at once?

Idk.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Seanthien

I don't see how this'll cause any trouble

If you don't think it will mess things up even more, go right ahead and push for it. I love seeing this server run even further into the ground. (Not being sarcastic, either.)

Originally Posted by Supaman771

1. Brutals, and all maps are essentially useless at the current time.
2. You already would've spent a portion of those Diamonds or Sapphires to obtain the scroll spawning/purchase plat anyway.
3. If you can already write the scrolls, rubies are useless to you aswell.

I see you're dumbing things down to make it seem harmless. But here's where you're wrong.

1. Brutals are still quite valuable for the purpose of leveling up. If you don't believe me, you can ask some of my friends who've made the hi-score board.
2. The money you make from the (sapphires -> dusts -> platinum -> scrolls -> sapphires) farming cycle is linear, meaning the profits don't decrease. The money you make from HHW will always exceed what you spent, even if some folks loot.
3. You can sell rubies to people who haven't maxed their mental level.

It is very profitable, and game-breaking.



Also, 'Tigability?' You're talking about gambling like it's a great way to gauge the value of items when you only get things of equal value or nothing in return.

But sure, wagering your hard-earned cash for the chance to get a random goodie totally makes me believe you're the economic expert here.

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by Draenin

If you don't think it will mess things up even more, go right ahead and push for it. I love seeing this server run even further into the ground. (Not being sarcastic, either.)


I see you're dumbing things down to make it seem harmless. But here's where you're wrong.

1. Brutals are still quite valuable for the purpose of leveling up. If you don't believe me, you can ask some of my friends who've made the hi-score board.
2. The money you make from the (sapphires -> dusts -> platinum -> scrolls -> sapphires) farming cycle is linear, meaning the profits don't decrease. The money you make from HHW will always exceed what you spent, even if some folks loot.
3. You can sell rubies to people who haven't maxed their mental level.

It is very profitable, and game-breaking.



Also, 'Tigability?' You're talking about gambling like it's a great way to gauge the value of items when you only get things of equal value or nothing in return.

But sure, wagering your hard-earned cash for the chance to get a random goodie totally makes me believe you're the economic expert here.

Just a few comments on a few of your points

1. If you attempted to level in the past year or so you'd realize that brutals are a waste of time in comparison to other options you have(the christmas dungeon, crypt and leveling on the overworld even are much more viable options.
2. In any economy the visual "profits" usually dont go down however everything else becomes more expensive to compensate when it is the main form of currency. Right now tiggables are the main form of currency because you have a chance to win something better or of equal value for the most part. Sometimes there is end game gear put into tigbot and sometimes it appears there is only crap. Tiggables are a viable source of currency solely for the fact that what is able to go into them is set so the values of tiggables shouldn't fluctuate too much unless the bar is raised or lowered on what can go in there.
3. Mental is fairly useless unless you're writing resist scrolls or your own destruction scrolls. It's just for base level really and with how easy it is to level now it wouldn't take someone more than a few days to reach 110 if they leveled multiple skills.

[Draenin]

If you all don't stand to gain a lot from something like this, why defend the idea so adamantly?

[Cubical]

I think I may have used destruction scrolls once or twice in my time playing GK. I have no intentions of participating in using the haunted house should it be instanced. I'd rather idle in trade. I was just pointing out that what you were saying may have once been true but with the updates since you have actively played they are no longer valid.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by Cubical

I think I may have used destruction scrolls once or twice in my time playing GK. I have no intentions of participating in using the haunted house should it be instanced. I'd rather idle in trade. I was just pointing out that what you were saying may have once been true but with the updates since you have actively played they are no longer valid.

This is why I was confused. You were speaking as if anything from HHW is valuable anymore. The only worth-while item is sapphires, and even then platinum isn't that great anymore because scrolling is just a god awful experience with the recent changes.

I still support this and I'd like to see it come through. Any other opinions or thoughts?

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by seanthien

Any other opinions or thoughts?

You only want to hear ones that support your own, so why bother to ask?

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by Draenin

You only want to hear ones that support your own, so why bother to ask?

Not trying to poke at you but the information you posted was outdated. If it were relevant to GK currently it would have been different. I personally dont see anything wrong with instancing it other than people running into it to get away from pkers but that could be easily combated with a hit timer.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Cubical

Not trying to poke at you but the information you posted was outdated. If it were relevant to GK currently it would have been different. I personally dont see anything wrong with instancing it other than people running into it to get away from pkers but that could be easily combated with a hit timer.

Again, if it's not a viable source of income like you all claim, why is there so much concern with privatizing it?

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Again, if it's not a viable source of income like you all claim, why is there so much concern with privatizing it?

I'm not sure where you get this idea from but it seems only Rogue and myself actually care about this. Probably because we're one of the few that still do alchemy.

There's no need to be defensive. If you don't have anything else to say about it just leave it be. I personally want this because it'll enable me to actively do something instead of sitting in trade watching people jerk off every other hour.

[Cubical]

I don't know but I think that moving leveling spots into instanced zones is a step in the right direction and for level 1-10 noobs the haunted house is a great spot if you dont have someone to help you and it's really annoying when someone is in there using destruciton scrolls and taking kills from you.

edit: also the haunted house is really the only way to make money on GK aside from running island to island to create gold keys which is also broken half the time.