rc bug/not working

[scriptless]

So I am using Windows 8.. I opened my RC and now it won't work. It show's wrong font is my guess, any idea how to solve this? Is it just a fon't thing? It gives me an error full of box's when I try and login.. Below is a picture.

[Dragon551]

Aeko had this problem as well.

Not sure if it was ever resolved..

[fowlplay4]

It's ****ed and Stefan wouldn't answer my email about it.

If you change to non-graphical you can get into RC but every window is like that with blocks instead of read-able font. It also seems to ignore the theme because in Windows 7/Vista/XP the background is a light gray/silver and not dark like in that picture.

What'd you use to make your windows transparent like that?

[Cubical]

I fixed it with a hex editor after like 8 hours of boredom at work but that was a few months ago and I'm on linux now.

edit: could never get the serverlist to work though because the text just disappeared so I had to type the name of the server i was trying to log onto. Also all my RC images disappeared so I had to guess where they were at but I didn't have too much of a problem with that.It was worth it not to use Client-RC. It may have been something I did though.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

It's ****ed and Stefan wouldn't answer my email about it.

If you change to non-graphical you can get into RC but every window is like that with blocks instead of read-able font. It also seems to ignore the theme because in Windows 7/Vista/XP the background is a light gray/silver and not dark like in that picture.

What'd you use to make your windows transparent like that?

Nothing, it's just how window's 8 is I guess.. it worked fine for Windows 7, then I did an upgrade to 8 and blam, it broke.

I did see people got itunes working on linux now... so I might migrate to linux because I honestly hate all microsoft products.

[Crono]

calling win 8 an upgrade over 7 is a stretch tbh

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Crono

calling win 8 an upgrade over 7 is a stretch tbh

Yeah I agree, but since I really want the sufrace tablet.... I think there tablet is probably on the best track to how a tablet experience should be... I want to get used to the Metro UI before I get it..

[Cubical]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Nothing, it's just how window's 8 is I guess.. it worked fine for Windows 7, then I did an upgrade to 8 and blam, it broke.

I did see people got itunes working on linux now... so I might migrate to linux because I honestly hate all microsoft products.

Nah, I like microsoft products I switched because my RTM ran out a while ago. Also I like being able to work from home in a native linux environment. Also since quitting WoW and since I moved on from other third party software that isn't supported by linux other than Office 2010 which I have to use for work. I have a windows XP vm that I have running in Virtual Box with a shared folder that's sitting in my home folder.

[Gos_pira]

OpenOffice? Btw, running WoW in WINE works better than running it native in windows for some people.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

OpenOffice? Btw, running WoW in WINE works better than running it native in windows for some people.

doesn't surprise me.. lol

..

back to the bug im getting.. ive read other forums other people have posted.. no resolution.. i think cubes said he did it with a hex editor? mind sharing info for the rest of us?

[Gos_pira]

Stefan stated in another thread that he won't fix the issue, in favor of pushing the Client RC on everyone.

Would be nice to have a fix though.

[BlueMelon]

External RC > Client-RC

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Gos_pira

Stefan stated in another thread that he won't fix the issue, in favor of pushing the Client RC on everyone.

Would be nice to have a fix though.

I know, and I don't believe it's something stefan needs to fix. I think the problem is window's...


oh, FP4.. I think it's just like an Aero theme or somethign the transparency.. it was like thatfor me on windows 7 then I did an upgrade and it just kept everything.

[Gos_pira]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I know, and I don't believe it's something stefan needs to fix. I think the problem is window's...

I don't think it's entirely Windows' fault. And I do think this would be an easy fix for Stefan if he actually just checked it out.

Maybe he just needs to update the GTK-libs he used, the latest external RC is from like, 2006 isn't it? That's 6 years ago!

Has everyone with Windows 8 tried both the RC and the RC-compatible version(For Win 95/98/ME)?

[InfamousPride]

I have Windows 8 on my other PC I'll test it out tonight.

[Phorcys]

I'll test on the other PC to see if it works for me.

[scriptless]

I tried both versions. And the one for 95/98/ME gives runtime error's UNLESS you run it in compatibility mode for 98/ME.. however then it just says program stopped working before it even worked..

Short of me doing a VMPlayer with windows 7 or XP.. just for rc.. windows 8 is not capable of using external rc..

i think my only solution is linux =/ or going back to windows 7 .. uhg

And yes, its entirely window's fault.. window's isnt even windows anymore.. they should change there name to "metro" now.. since thats the new interface.. at least real windows uses.. windows.. that u can resize... move.. close etc.. heince the name..

and microsoft breaks every one of there products.. at least when stefan programs stuff it works..and if not he fix's it.. he might not add everything we want but for crying out loud hes 1 person not a corporation of employees.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by scriptless

And yes, its entirely window's fault..

Not in this case, no. Not really GTK's fault either, since there are versions that work well with 7/8. So, rather, it's Stefan's fault.

[InfamousPride]

External RC is a nope on my W8P.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Crow

Not in this case, no. Not really GTK's fault either, since there are versions that work well with 7/8. So, rather, it's Stefan's fault.

I'm saying, GTK didn't change drivers on my PC.. Stefan didn't change code in my RC.. Windows changed, and now we have a problem.. Pretty logical to say it's windows that messed up. Not like microsoft never messes up. BSOD and RROD are probably the 2 biggest microsoft error's of all time world wide.

I am willing to bet you that I can fix this error, without touching the RC, or GTK with any type of hex editor, or modifying it in any other way.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I'm saying, GTK didn't change drivers on my PC..

You do know what GTK is, right?

Originally Posted by scriptless

I am willing to bet you that I can fix this error, without touching the RC, or GTK with any type of hex editor, or modifying it in any other way.

I doubt you can. You seem like the typical "I hate Windows but use it anyway" person, though. Microsoft is not to blame here. If they wouldn't ever change anything, there would be no progress at all. Developers have to adapt, and most of them do. Stefan did not, and won't.

On an unrelated note, you're only getting BSODs if your hardware is faulty (not Microsoft's fault) or if you're an idiot (not Microsoft's fault). Can't comment on RRODs though.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Crow

You do know what GTK is, right?




I doubt you can. You seem like the typical "I hate Windows but use it anyway" person, though. Microsoft is not to blame here. If they wouldn't ever change anything, there would be no progress at all. Developers have to adapt, and most of them do. Stefan did not, and won't.

On an unrelated note, you're only getting BSODs if your hardware is faulty (not Microsoft's fault) or if you're an idiot (not Microsoft's fault). Can't comment on RRODs though.

The Blue Screen of Death (also known as BSoD, Blue Screen Error, or Bluescreen), known officially as a Stop Error [1] or a bug check, is the error screen displayed by the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems upon encountering a critical error, of a non-recoverable nature, that causes the system to crash. The term is named after the color of the screen generated by the error. In Unix-based operating systems, a similar term is kernel panic.

No, you can also get BSOD on software issues.. and yes I do know what GTK is.. I have used it in many crossplatform projects because the Windows API's for graphical interfaces don't work for other operating systems. As for RRoD.. it usually means hardware failure and most commonly wire shortage. People often wrap them in blankets to get them to melt back in place or send them back in.. Point is microsoft makes shitty stuff usually.

And you're pretty much admitting, microsoft made a change that caused it to not work.. period.. yes, ofcourse stefan could make changes to adapt.. but microsoft is at blame for breaking it..our pretty much saying if windows was to completely redesign itself to use totally different style.. like cloning themselves to be a mac.. that it would be stefans fault that it no longer works.. which makes no sense at all? do you see where I am coming from?

Imagine doing math homework in school. You read the instructions on the paper.. you follow them.. you turn the paper in and get an "F" not because your answers are wrong, but because the instructions changed after you turned them in? Who's to blame?

I only use that example, because computers use instructions and microsoft changed them after the fact..

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I'm saying, GTK didn't change drivers on my PC.. Stefan didn't change code in my RC.. Windows changed, and now we have a problem.. Pretty logical to say it's windows that messed up. Not like microsoft never messes up. BSOD and RROD are probably the 2 biggest microsoft error's of all time world wide.

I am willing to bet you that I can fix this error, without touching the RC, or GTK with any type of hex editor, or modifying it in any other way.

The whole point of an operating system upgrade is that things change. Try running software written for Windows 95 on your old Windows 7 installation and then get back to me. A lot of the stuff is forwards compatible to a degree, but no popular OS claims to maintain total compatibility moving forwards.

Windows, OS X, and most flavors of Linux all change. Windows is honestly the most conservative when it comes to making changes, too. They literally hack program-specific fixes into the OS code (or at least they used to) to keep outdated or poorly-written software from breaking on upgrade. Software on OS X tends to break every few years.

Stefan needs to update RC, it's naive and impractical to expect Microsoft to keep it working forever on an OS that is different than the one it was written for.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

(or at least they used to)

As far as I know, they still do.

Windows does change, that's only natural. Your comparison with a test doesn't really make sense either. Let's rather compare this to any machine that is being frequently used. If you don't maintain that every once in a while, it will work less efficient, then stop working at all at some point. Developers don't have to update their software for more recent operating systems, but if they choose not to, things will not run. It's rather simple.


Edit:

Originally Posted by Reputation

I agree with scriptless, BSoD doesn't necessarily mean faulty hardware. It's just a critical error that it cannot recover from.

You could've argued in here, but whatever. I did name two reasons for BSoDs, I believe that qualifies. But alright, let me elaborate: it's either faulty hardware, faulty/incompatible drivers or software which is going farther than it should. In any case, it is usually not Microsoft's case, like way too many people make it out to be.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The whole point of an operating system upgrade is that things change. Try running software written for Windows 95 on your old Windows 7 installation and then get back to me. A lot of the stuff is forwards compatible to a degree, but no popular OS claims to maintain total compatibility moving forwards.

Windows, OS X, and most flavors of Linux all change. Windows is honestly the most conservative when it comes to making changes, too. They literally hack program-specific fixes into the OS code (or at least they used to) to keep outdated or poorly-written software from breaking on upgrade. Software on OS X tends to break every few years.

Stefan needs to update RC, it's naive and impractical to expect Microsoft to keep it working forever on an OS that is different than the one it was written for.

Yes, but at least Linux (which is just a kernal) based systems usually offer an open source community where YOU can fix it yourself. Microsoft doesn't.

And my point was, a working peice of software was broken because microsoft made a change, not stefan.. everyone here pretty much agree's that microsoft's update broke it.. it's stefan that needs to "fix" it tho.. however, if microsoft hadn't broken it, it would still work.

Originally Posted by Crow

As far as I know, they still do.

Windows does change, that's only natural. Your comparison with a test doesn't really make sense either. Let's rather compare this to any machine that is being frequently used. If you don't maintain that every once in a while, it will work less efficient, then stop working at all at some point. Developers don't have to update their software for more recent operating systems, but if they choose not to, things will not run. It's rather simple.


Edit:

You could've argued in here, but whatever. I did name two reasons for BSoDs, I believe that qualifies. But alright, let me elaborate: it's either faulty hardware, faulty/incompatible drivers or software which is going farther than it should. In any case, it is usually not Microsoft's case, like way too many people make it out to be.

Microsoft, the only OS that told me "keyboard not detected, press any key to continue".. .. simply put BSoD is a critical error.. as i said when you tried to correct me..

[Crow]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Microsoft, the only OS that told me "keyboard not detected, press any key to continue"..

A keyboard is apparently required, so when that pops up, you plug it in and press a key to continue. Simple, is it not?

Originally Posted by scriptless

simply put BSoD is a critical error.. as i said when you tried to correct me..

Originally Posted by you

Not like microsoft never messes up. BSOD and RROD are probably the 2 biggest microsoft error's of all time world wide.

My point: you're blaming it on Microsoft when you shouldn't.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Crow

A keyboard is apparently required, so when that pops up, you plug it in and press a key to continue. Simple, is it not?






My point: you're blaming it on Microsoft when you shouldn't.

It's microsoft's way of dealing with the problem is it not? lol and you don't need a keyboard to use a pc.. o.O they have OSK (On Screen Keyboard) for that... and now, more then ever touchscreen..

[xXziroXx]

isnt scriptless the same guy who complained at windows for not being able to play computer games on linux

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

isnt scriptless the same guy who complained at windows for not being able to play computer games on linux

No? I don't play any other games then Graal, and I used to play SC2 until I overloaded my desktop and damaged a bunch of components.

The only thing other then that I play is Call of Duty on the xbox, which sucks because I liked playing it on PS3 better..

[Crow]

Originally Posted by scriptless

It's microsoft's way of dealing with the problem is it not? lol and you don't need a keyboard to use a pc.. o.O they have OSK (On Screen Keyboard) for that... and now, more then ever touchscreen..

Well, taken into account that the error message is old as hell (probably when mice were not around/not supported) and was, as far as I remember, not even a Windows/DOS error (actually, possibly DOS), but rather one of a specific BIOS (or so I believe)... I hope you know what I'm trying to say. I'll say no more, though, since it's a waste of time.

[Admins]

We check if we can update the RC for Windows8 sometime, but not this year (less than one percent of the Windows players are using Windows8 right now).

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We check if we can update the RC for Windows8 sometime, but not this year (less than one percent of the Windows players are using Windows8 right now).

I would personally like to try Windows 8 but the lack of RC2 not working really ****s that up for me.

[InfamousPride]

So far I've seen 3 people on this post say that they are using Windows 8 and it doesn't work for them. That's a hell of a lot more than 1% of players on Graal much less Windows players xD. Last time I checked there are not 300+ active players.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by InfamousPride

So far I've seen 3 people on this post say that they are using Windows 8 and it doesn't work for them. That's a hell of a lot more than 1% of players on Graal much less Windows players xD. Last time I checked there are not 300+ active players.

My thought's exactly.. I know alot more then 3 people are using windows 8, plus other's would like to try it but because of lack of support for graal they don't. I am wondering if just recompiling it on a windows 8 machine would make it work. I had that problem with programs I made on XP not working on windows 7.. all I had to do was recompile it without changing code.

Also, if anyone has a Microsoft Surface Pro, let me know if Graal run's on it.. I am dying to see if it work's, how well, and if it would make for a development device..

[xXziroXx]

Wouldn't it be possible to run RC in compatibility mode to work around the bug mentioned in the thread? Sorry, but I didn't really read many posts before replying with this :<

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by scriptless

My thought's exactly.. I know alot more then 3 people are using windows 8, plus other's would like to try it but because of lack of support for graal they don't. I am wondering if just recompiling it on a windows 8 machine would make it work. I had that problem with programs I made on XP not working on windows 7.. all I had to do was recompile it without changing code.

Also, if anyone has a Microsoft Surface Pro, let me know if Graal run's on it.. I am dying to see if it work's, how well, and if it would make for a development device..

He probably count the Iphone Servers too.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Wouldn't it be possible to run RC in compatibility mode to work around the bug mentioned in the thread? Sorry, but I didn't really read many posts before replying with this :<

No, compatibility mode does nothing to fix it regardless of what you set it to.

[SouFooOoO]

I am also on Windows 8 and it doesn't work (no surprise). Tried running in compatibility mode and all that too. Would have been fine if Windows 8 had XP Virtual Machine, not sure why they took it out.

So... I am hoping for a fix on the external RC as the scripted RC doesn't have all the same functionality.

Anyways, Stefan, it doesn't matter if less than 1% of the Windows players are using Windows 8. Players don't use RC, the staff do. Really hard to do PR work without external RC for iEra.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by NicoX

He probably count the Iphone Servers too.

If we count also iphone servers then PC Graal is less than 4% x-x I meant Windows users.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Stefan

If we count also iphone servers then PC Graal is less than 4% x-x I meant Windows users.

But iPhone players can't play pc... and iPhone doesn't have staff tools.

And others have mentioned, if the RC worked they would be using windows 8.. so numbers of players who want to use Win8, and those that actually do are 2 different numbers too.

Also, not sure if I can post links to articles outside graal. But Microsoft has been talking about using SecureBoot. Basically they want to work with hardware manufacturers and lock your PC to windows 8 only once it's been installed.. they want to make you run signed code... they pretty much want to prevent pirating and malicious stuff at a more annoying level.

So if any of us get a new pc, and load Windows 8 onto it.. we might just get screwed with no chance of external rc for a long time..