New Everything?

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

You certainly wouldn't imprison the entire auto manufacturing company for creation of a faulty car that killed millions... or would ya?

That, again, is a bad comparison. But it also shows what is both right and wrong with how Graal works. The problem here is that you can tell who is/may be to blame when something goes wrong. You can't really do that with any other game, and you shouldn't be able to. Then again, the developers being so close to the players can be a big plus as well. Very difficult..

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by Crow

That, again, is a bad comparison. But it also shows what is both right and wrong with how Graal works. The problem here is that you can tell who is/may be to blame when something goes wrong. You can't really do that with any other game, and you shouldn't be able to. Then again, the developers being so close to the players can be a big plus as well. Very difficult..

Are you sure you're reading my posts? x.X

I literally just said Graal's state is contrary to the stated example. On here, you're not compelled to place blame on those who don't deserve it because you can pin-point those who had a hand in the invention or alteration.

Repeating myself: On here, those innocent of the act need not face the brunt of its shortcomings.

Oddly enough, you're saying that it "shouldn't" be that way. My immediate question is, why not?

It seems pretty ideal; credit being given where credit is due.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Oddly enough, you're saying that it "shouldn't" be that way. My immediate question is, why not?

Because the strong connection between developers and players can be very troublesome sometimes. With the whole credit thing as well, because people also tend to get credit for things they haven't even done; myself as well. Or people don't get credit for things they have done. And I think the whole team should get the credit regardless.

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by Crow

Because the strong connection between developers and players can be very troublesome sometimes. With the whole credit thing as well, because people also tend to get credit for things they haven't even done; myself as well. Or people don't get credit for things they have done. And I think the whole team should get the credit regardless.

I know what you think, but why?

Besides, its harder to give credit to the wrong people on Graal, the community is too small. Therefore, wrongful placement of credit is hardly an issue.

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

It seems pretty ideal; credit being given where credit is due.

It's not, Wil.

Sooner than later everyone's clamoring to have their name stamped on anything they touched. Collaborative efforts become attention contests. People start keeping track of absurd ****. Name-calling ensues.

Keeping people on the outside keeps things clean on the inside.

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by RogueShatterblade

It's not, Wil.

Sooner than later everyone's clamoring to have their name stamped on anything they touched. Collaborative efforts become attention contests. People start keeping track of absurd ****. Name-calling ensues.

Keeping people on the outside keeps things clean on the inside.

There's an understandable reason. However, I don't think that is necessarily true.

One could argue that an environment like that would crumble if it severely lacks incentives, or inappropriately allocates incentives and rewards, for workers. Evidence of this can be seen in countless historical accounts such as, the French Revolution, Rise of Communism, Slave Revolts, and etc. where the perceived lack of reward or incentive led to an uproot or destruction of the internal framework, from nation to plantation.

To relate, Graal is the quintessential of these types of environments because the working body does not receive any substantial benefits as-is.

In this context, wouldn't proper recognition counteract this seemingly unrewarding endeavor?

I mean, in academia, recognition is paramount due to similar reasons, excess of the lack of substantial (financial) benefits except in certain areas.

However, I do notice that in governmental bodies this is handled similar to the manner that you guys suggest. But, even in those cases, the lack of recognition is counteracted by benefits in finance and elsewhere (healthcare, etc).

Overall, Graal is not the state where you can employ this idea of combined recognition for works. This is due to the fact that, as moral equivalence dictates, you must provide an alternate entity with which you can counteract the void left by the absence of recognition, reward, or incentive. In the case of Graal, this entity is sadly non-existent. Therefore, recognition must be employed until an alternative can be discovered.