Graal on Steam

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by linkrulz4

Read up on Greenlight and you'll find people recommend Desura over it for this sort of thing. That is the better alternative. I am not sure why there is opposition towards it, when it's a community that Graal would fit in with much more than Steam's.

This has nothing to do with the better medium, but the fact that Steam is the most popular/successful market on PC and Greenlight is currently getting a lot of attention. That means more potential players... on the other hand I have never even heard of Desura, and I doubt many others here have either.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

This has nothing to do with the better medium, but the fact that Steam is the most popular/successful market on PC and Greenlight is currently getting a lot of attention. That means more potential players... on the other hand I have never even heard of Desura, and I doubt many others here have either.

Desura is rather big as it is now, and is getting more popular. Still, Steam would be a way better choice.

[linkrulz4]

Originally Posted by Crow

Desura is rather big as it is now, and is getting more popular. Still, Steam would be a way better choice.

Why would Steam be a better choice? What makes you think Graal would survive on Steam at all? Look at the games that actually make it on Steam and Steam Greenlight, and then tell me how Graal fits in with them. Not that you're obligated to do this at all, but I'd sure like to be convinced that Graal would have a chance.

Desura was made for indie games and indie developers to get their name out. Steam is obviously for much larger companies and already established games that have had their names out there for years. Indie games and mods that have made it on steam usually started elsewhere and became cult hits before even being considered, and there are plenty that made their debuts on Desura. There are lots of great games that they deny already. I don't see Graal fitting these qualifications at all, looking over its statistics in history.

The only thing that would be positive with Steam is getting the game looked at by a handful of people for a limited window of time, when we could already do that on Desura and keep it there for a lot cheaper. There are lots of games arguably on Steam Greenlight that look alpha as all hell, but they fall into two categories; no one is voting for them, or they already were widely successful elsewhere. People are literally trying to push most these games out of their queues if they look any less then then a game made by a major publisher. The worst part is that these are games that look much more fine-tuned than Graal, and most of them were made by a team of one or two people under the course of a few months. Looking at how much progress Graal has made over the last half of a decade, I'm pretty positive we don't have the manpower to compete. We need to find a better market that is suited to helping indie developers. That is not Steam.


Going back to Desura, the community is made for independent games. We'd probably have a higher chance of finding aspiring indie developers there too. The people there are usually very interested in projects like Graal, and honestly, this game needs a new source of inspiration other than the stagnant pool we've had since they closed down Classic accounts. Graal entering a community made for modders and indie games, with people who are usually willing to offer themselves to help projects be successful, would do it wonders. Maybe after that we could go on Steam and look presentable.


But seriously.
I really want someone to show me I'm wrong. So far, no one has made any real points against me beyond "whats desura" and "steam is popular".

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

This has nothing to do with the better medium, but the fact that Steam is the most popular/successful market on PC and Greenlight is currently getting a lot of attention. That means more potential players... on the other hand I have never even heard of Desura, and I doubt many others here have either.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the right place to put Graal. I don't think you're getting the point. Millions of people know what Desura is. These people are the kind of people that have a higher chance of helping Graal become something better than it is now, besides the casual Steam user that only wants to play games rather than develop for them. If a small community of one hundred people or so haven't heard of something, it doesn't make it any less of a better option. Have you even researched it? I'm curious.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by linkrulz4

Why would Steam be a better choice?

Your posts are too long, I'm not going to read through all of that. Popularity.

Edit: Screw that, read some of it. Your Steam arguments are mostly invalid. There are a lot of indie games that have made their debut on Steam without being popular before.

Also:

Originally Posted by linkrulz4

But seriously.
I really want someone to show me I'm wrong. So far, no one has made any real points against me beyond "whats desura" and "steam is popular".

That is a good point already. Oh, and maybe you should make a few good points that show you're right, on the contrary.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Crow

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Don't worry people, Crow had a stroke and didn't know what he was typing, he'll be back to normal soon enough.

[skillmaster19]

$100 is nothing, don't see what Stefan would have to lose, doesn't hurt to try.

Also I do a lot of pc gaming, and I've never heard of Desura.

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Also I do a lot of pc gaming, and I've never heard of Desura.

yay for internets

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Don't worry people, Crow had a stroke and didn't know what he was typing, he'll be back to normal soon enough.

I must've missed something in this conversation

Let me make a short point: Why not Steam? You know how games can coexist on Steam and Desura, right? I never spoke negatively of Desura. I know the platform and I do like it, but there is no point not going for Steam.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Crow

Why not Steam? You know how games can coexist on Steam and Desura, right? I never spoke negatively of Desura. I know the platform and I do like it, but there is no point not going for Steam.

How about except that Graal's content of gameplay is so subpar, a game like ROTMD (I believe it's very good, don't start spitting fire everyone) can be far superior to Graal, which has this working for it:

1. Creative freedoms of making your own world, game, whatever (Something that Minecraft is beloved for, obviously cant commit copyright infringement and other legal no-nos) Which is a lot to say as a game for sandbox style enjoyment.

2. Ability to create WHATEVER KIND OF GAME YOU WANT, meaning, you have the potential to appeal to all kinds of players, Want shooters? We got that covered, Want an RTS? We could have that ready to go with effort, Want to play a card game? ****, Classic has Triple Triad from FF8, we could have UNO and many other addictive card games in a lil while, Want a RP game? Valikorlia obviously is able to provide a sorts to this craving, Want an RPG? Well, dependant on the RPG style, if you want an MMORPG, I guess Zodiac can cover you, want a traditional RPG? Classic has you covered, Want seriously... ANYTHING ELSE? Just make it. It's obviously not as easy as speaking it, but its not impossible.

Yet somehow, ROTMD which is a mmo bullet-hell RPG, will win against Graal as it is right now 99/100 times, will succeed over Graal, that 1 time is in a bizzaro universe where Graal actually succeeded on its own and didn't need steam in the first place, also Stefan is king of the universe and (You get where I'm heading with this)

tl;dr: Graal has no chance for Steam because its content is incapable of satisfying people, let alone actually passing the voting process.
I was actually more or less saying what I said because you were saying that linkrulz4's points were invalid. But I will say that yes, the game could easily live between more then one platform, if anything it's obviously better, but I'm speaking strictly on Steam with Graal and why Graal is that trashy girl that Steam's friend's (community) would say "Dude, she's so the wrong for you, dude, she has tried to get with every dude around here, she even tried to get me, man!" at this time.

One more thing to say,
My question is this to those who are hard-set on Graal with Steam: If this was something ready to happen, how will we make it ready for the show? Because Greenlight for players is a shooting gallery for the observers, they can shoot and knock it 1100 different ways if they want to, which on its own is a negative for any game potentially going up to greenlight, how would we sell the idea to people and make them want it? how would we make it happen? Because I can say without a doubt that it wouldn't work because our content isn't up to par at this time.