Graal on Steam

[skillmaster19]

It would be nice if a modified Graal client that connects to Era iPhone/ Classic iPhone was on steam. There could be the ability ability to purchase gralat packs from your steam wallet.

Every single f2p game I've seen added to steam has had a significant increase in players upon release on steam. One game i played that had only about 100-200 players online at a time increased to 2000-3000 at a time.
Valve(owners of steam) will allow games from indie developers on steam as long as they're fun, so getting Graal on there shouldn't be too difficult. Just be sure to optimize the servers before releasing it on steam :P

The pc servers wouldn't really work out yet because there is still subscription fee, but perhaps when Graal pc goes free to play they may be able to be added later.


Facebook Graal didn't get too many new players because it wasn't listed anywhere easy to see, and because it depended on players sharing it-most people used fake accounts to play Graal rather than their real ones. On steam, there is a whole new releases category, and the current selection of f2p games isn't that large.

[Crow]

Steam has certain quality requirements. Won't happen.

[Hezzy002]

Originally Posted by Crow

Steam has certain quality requirements. Won't happen.

*cough*

http://store.steampowered.com/app/201070/

[JesusFreak250]

What about this new green light thing?

http://steamcommunity.com/greenlight/

From my understanding players vote games to go on steam, of course you need a lot of votes still.

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by Crow

Steam has certain quality requirements. Won't happen.

I've seen some pretty awful games on steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/20...sFilteredDLC_2

http://store.steampowered.com/app/90...sFilteredDLC_3
this one above has less than 100 players online at any given time(game is only playable online), graal has over 1000.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/70300/

[Crono]

let's improve graal before trying to roll with the big boys

[TheGodAngelo]

Originally Posted by Crono

let's improve graal before trying to roll with the big boys

this

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Crono

let's improve graal before trying to roll with the big boys

if only there was monetary encouragement for doing so

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Hezzy002

*cough*

http://store.steampowered.com/app/201070/

I honestly wonder how some games got on Steam in the first place.

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

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Don't count iOS. We can't connect to those on PC yet.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

as long as they're fun

Graal isn't fun. Classic might change that though.

Originally Posted by dude2020

Don't count iOS. We can't connect to those on PC yet.

Pretty sure the only thing making that impossible, was that iOS used different account system. They don't anymore.

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Pretty sure the only thing making that impossible, was that iOS used different account system. They don't anymore.

I dunno what he's waiting on. I know he wants to push iZone for iOS, Facebook, and client

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Graal isn't fun. Classic might change that though.

Classic already is fun and it's not even fully released. It's got a high standard of presentation that I expect it to be #1 or #2 PC server. I will eat my shoe, of your choice, if it does not hold a high playercount.

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Graal isn't fun. Classic might change that though.



Pretty sure the only thing making that impossible, was that iOS used different account system. They don't anymore.

yes the thousands of people who log onto iClassic and iEra regularly don't play it because it's fun.

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

yes the thousands of people who log onto iClassic and iEra regularly don't play it because it's fun.

The iOS servers wouldn't be on Steam.

[Tim_Rocks]

We'll have to wait till Graal Platinum is released before any of this can happen.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

yes the thousands of people who log onto iClassic and iEra regularly don't play it because it's fun.

I wouldn't want to pay $50 to not get raped by observer mode on what has been a UC server either.

[TheGodAngelo]

steam makes perfect sense for pc graal. it'd be great advertisement.
unfortunately no new players will play pc graal because of observer-mode/archaic subscription policies.

graals got alot of flair for an aspiring developer. the reason i loved it so much was it's lttp style. and then when i found out i can make my own playergraphics i was hooked.

if pc graal adopted the free to play/microtransaction ideas of games like tf2 or even take what the iphone has. graal has the possibility to make a lot of money and get a decent playercount.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

graals got alot of flair for an aspiring developer. the reason i loved it so much was it's lttp style. and then when i found out i can make my own playergraphics i was hooked.

an aspiring developer should be working on better projects, not devoting tons of time for nothing in return

[Tim_Rocks]

As an aspiring developer on Graal I like to spend my time on the forums posting nonsense.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

I've seen some pretty awful games on steam

Did you seriously just link to Realm of the Mad God and VVVVVV and cite them as "awful games", or is something wrong on my end?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by kia345

Did you seriously just link to Realm of the Mad God and VVVVVV and cite them as "awful games", or is something wrong on my end?

Nothings wrong, he did mistakeningly link those two games.

He does get credit for Rise of the Immortals though, that is some simple garbage right there.

[xXziroXx]

*Stefan: well
*Stefan: steam added in-app purchases
*Stefan: and there is a green lantern thing
*Stefan: where people can vote for new games
<censored>: The free games all have in game purchases, maybe you could make a Steam iEra and Steam iClassic and use gralat packs as your in game purchases?
*Stefan: yes
*Stefan: it would also give a reason to finish windows v6
*Stefan: new version should be much faster
<censored>: do i have your permission to add it to the greenlight stefan?
*Stefan: unixmad plans to do it
<censored>: so it is possible to see steam graal?
*Stefan: we can also put it on mac app store
*Stefan: yes can also put pc graal / graalonline playerworlds on it

Woo.

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

I wouldn't want to pay $50 to not get raped by observer mode on what has been a UC server either.

you do know steam has support for f2p games right?

Stefan: well
*Stefan: steam added in-app purchases
*Stefan: and there is a green lantern thing
*Stefan: where people can vote for new games
<censored>: The free games all have in game purchases, maybe you could make a Steam iEra and Steam iClassic and use gralat packs as your in game purchases?
*Stefan: yes
*Stefan: it would also give a reason to finish windows v6
*Stefan: new version should be much faster
<censored>: do i have your permission to add it to the greenlight stefan?
*Stefan: unixmad plans to do it
<censored>: so it is possible to see steam graal?
*Stefan: we can also put it on mac app store
*Stefan: yes can also put pc graal / graalonline playerworlds on it

not sure if trolling or real log...

and Rise of immortals isn't that bad, only reason I listed it is the playercount on it is significantly lower than that of Graal.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by skillmaster19

you do know steam has support for f2p games right?

Which makes your post even less relevant, and that is entirely out of context.

Pro tip: Seeker99 was globally banned for posting that video in your signature.

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Which makes your post even less relevant, and that is entirely out of context.

Pro tip: Seeker99 was globally banned for posting that video in your signature.

wait whats wrong with it? its just a meme that plays part of a song and shows unixmad with bread rofl. Either way I'll remove it... thats insane...

[maximus_asinus]

post the video, I'll put it in my sig

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Woo.

Is this a joke or is that really Stefan? If that's really Stefan... wow... the only reason to finish v6 would be to provide it to new players, because **** us all, right?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Is this a joke or is that really Stefan? If that's really Stefan... wow... the only reason to finish v6 would be to provide it to new players, because **** us all, right?

It's real, he said it on Era iPhone like 30 minutes before I posted it.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Is this a joke or is that really Stefan? If that's really Stefan... wow... the only reason to finish v6 would be to provide it to new players, because **** us all, right?

Who else do you know that would say "a green lantern thing" to refer to Steam Greenlight?

[Crow]

Originally Posted by kia345

Did you seriously just link to Realm of the Mad God and VVVVVV and cite them as "awful games", or is something wrong on my end?

Holy sh, I didn't even notice.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Who else do you know that would say "a green lantern thing" to refer to Steam Greenlight?

Best point made so far, that's definitely Stefan.

[TheGodAngelo]

Originally Posted by Crono

an aspiring developer should be working on better projects, not devoting tons of time for nothing in return

if you forget about the restrictions on accounts, and look at graal as a game or a developers platform, i think it's pretty exciting

i'll never forget when i found out i could make my own graphics and have them used. sure we were all kids back then, but we've learned so much since then. that graal has potential.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Is this a joke or is that really Stefan? If that's really Stefan... wow... the only reason to finish v6 would be to provide it to new players, because **** us all, right?

he'd be ****ing new players too with observer mode and the current payment policies. (if he even lets pc graal near steam)

[scriptless]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying OBS will make graal unsuccessful. Even if you rewind 6 years ago, a playercount of 80-120 was GREAT. Era and Zodiac I often see hitting 80. And Guess what? They had OBS mode too.. Aparently it's not hurting pc as much as people like to complain. Granted OBS has been removed.. tho I oddly have still been getting thrown into it o-O

Alot of the downfall of graal happened when servers, not just N-Pulse, started saying here you logged in so we will give you everything and good luck. I have been playing since 2002, I have seen the up's and down's. And I can see graal has made ALOT of progress with both it's engine, and its strategies.

We still have servers such as UN where you log on and just kinda guess and get lucky where to go, what to do.

Let's wait and see how Classic does before making any negative judgments against graal, please?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I don't know why everyone keeps saying OBS will make graal unsuccessful. Even if you rewind 6 years ago, a playercount of 80-120 was GREAT. Era and Zodiac I often see hitting 80. And Guess what? They had OBS mode too.. Aparently it's not hurting pc as much as people like to complain. Granted OBS has been removed.. tho I oddly have still been getting thrown into it o-O

Alot of the downfall of graal happened when servers, not just N-Pulse, started saying here you logged in so we will give you everything and good luck. I have been playing since 2002, I have seen the up's and down's. And I can see graal has made ALOT of progress with both it's engine, and its strategies.

We still have servers such as UN where you log on and just kinda guess and get lucky where to go, what to do.

Let's wait and see how Classic does before making any negative judgments against graal, please?

You're completely wrong. The reason why it worked before was because you could pay once for lifetime Classic access and never had to pay again. This was also during a time when F2P meant mediocre to **** quality and pay2win. Nowadays games are shifting to F2P with aesthetic micro-transactions.

Downfall of Graal happened when v5 was released, and (in terms of playercount) Graal has skyrocketed post-iDevice release. From a PC perspective, Graal will continue to be this stale and low-playercount until we finally get a better payment system and a more attractive game client.

But hey, what does clueless forum troll Crono know. Only been repeating myself for years.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I don't know why everyone keeps saying OBS will make graal unsuccessful. Even if you rewind 6 years ago, a playercount of 80-120 was GREAT. Era and Zodiac I often see hitting 80. And Guess what? They had OBS mode too.. Aparently it's not hurting pc as much as people like to complain. Granted OBS has been removed.. tho I oddly have still been getting thrown into it o-O

Era and Zodiac haven't had observer mode for several years now. I don't know why you're making the point that they had it at one time. It's not very convincing to point to servers without observer mode as examples that observer mode doesn't scare off new players.

Obviously we can't accurately speculate about the fate of Era and Zodiac if they'd never lost observer mode, but we are in a better position to judge than you think. After the removal of observer mode we saw a significant increase in the number of trials (and later the number of new players who upgraded) playing. Some of this data you can get by looking at the "numbers" threads I make about once a year for Era:

• 2012-02-05
• 2011-02-20
• 2010-02-20

If you're still not convinced how damaging observer mode is to the game, do a few Google searches and see what people who've tried the game say about it.

Nobody is claiming that removing observer mode will fix Graal, just that removing it is a necessary step if Graal hopes to gain new players.

[Tim_Rocks]

Listen to Crono, he's right. New payment plans please.

[DustyPorViva]

If Graal ever made it to Steam then there wouldn't be observer mode since he'd be using their in-app purchases to probably use the same set-up they're using for the iOS versions. In fact chances are they'd probably link them to the iPhone servers and still leave us(and the PC servers) out of it.

[boolean]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

...chances are they'd probably link them to the iPhone servers and still leave us(and the PC servers) out of it.

They would probably do this, lol.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Era and Zodiac haven't had observer mode for several years now.

Then something is bugged with OBS mode, becasue this year, and last year several times I have been thrown into OBS mode.

Also the same with Kingdoms.

Sometimes my window is limited in size, sometimes it goes OBS mode, others it just appears fine. And that applies with lifetime accounts as well as trials these bizzare behaviors. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it but look at the top of your window.. sometimes it says "Trial Mode Upgrade now...." and some times it says "yoru free time has ended".. on at least Era and GK. I can't say for Zodiac for sure because I honestly never played nor intend to.

Might be worth noting I AM using v6, not v5.

Originally Posted by Crono

You're completely wrong. The reason why it worked before was because you could pay once for lifetime Classic access and never had to pay again. This was also during a time when F2P meant mediocre to **** quality and pay2win. Nowadays games are shifting to F2P with aesthetic micro-transactions.:

You are misunderstanding me, I am saying as of this year 2012 I have been thrown into OBS mode, on both ERA and GK for a total of 2, and 5 times respectively. I haven't played era enough for it to continue happening but it HAS and probably WILL happen again. There seems to be an odd bug (others have mentioned it in other forums with "free time" and not being reset). Sometimes the game will throw you a smaller window, others it just OBS mode's you, whether it's suspose to or not doesnt change the fact, it still does. But I suspose you guys have been playing on trials to confirm even with your lifetime and gold accounts? Where-as I have been using a trial->gold->trial->gold (Graal###) account for the last few years due to restricted access on ll of my other accounts (untill this year when unixmad helped me).

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

If Graal ever made it to Steam then there wouldn't be observer mode since he'd be using their in-app purchases to probably use the same set-up they're using for the iOS versions. In fact chances are they'd probably link them to the iPhone servers and still leave us(and the PC servers) out of it.

Of course, like they did with Facebook.

[PhantosP2P]

Our community numbers would jump up drastically if there weren't such a thing as trial accounts. I don't know how anyone but a marketing/sales person could argue in the positive for paid accounts on a video game. People love free.