Rudora MIA

[Imperialistic]

Not sure if this is still an ongoing project for Skyld but the server was extremely well developed, was hoping that it all wouldn't go to waste.

[DeCeaseD]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Not sure if this is still an ongoing project for Skyld but the server was extremely well developed, was hoping that it all wouldn't go to waste.

Yeah another project Skyld has control of *cough* Bomy Island, is seemingly going to waste too.

[Unkownsoldier]

It seems that no one can release a server now a-days. Wasn't ol' west supposed to be redone an released on iphone? How about GK iPhone, or many of the other promising servers.

[xXziroXx]

Skyld hasn't had time to commit to Rudora for many years now sadly. Last I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago, he said it was something he'd love to get done but can't realistically see it happening.

[Crono]

dont wanna be offensive but it's not much of a loss really, rudora was never popular.

[MysticalDragon]

Maybe not then but the new rudora was amazing (scripting wise).

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Crono

dont wanna be offensive but it's not much of a loss really, rudora was never popular.

It wasn't popular, but I personally think it's one of the best servers to have reached Classic status. The gameplay was really fun, and the community made it even better.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

The gameplay was really fun, and the community made it even better.

just wish skyld's efforts were used elsewhere tho. ):

[Imperialistic]

Rudora was amazingly efficient in every aspect. I say you give it to one of the trusted members around here to manage it so we can finish it.

[r3ckless]

I would quit Corinthia, and dedicate my server for Rudora, if there was a willing bunch of devoted developers to work on it with me. I will take care of all monetary expenses.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by r3ckless

I would quit Corinthia, and dedicate my server for Rudora, if there was a willing bunch of devoted developers to work on it with me. I will take care of all monetary expenses.

have you even played Rudora?

[fowlplay4]

Dead projects need not be revived, let them rest peacefully.

[WanDaMan]

I heavily modified the overworld for a release; just needs some detail but the content is all there ready to be developed.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Dead projects need not be revived, let them rest peacefully.

wat are you even talking about

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by r3ckless

I would quit Corinthia, and dedicate my server for Rudora, if there was a willing bunch of devoted developers to work on it with me. I will take care of all monetary expenses.

Wtf.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

wat are you even talking about

I think he was pretty straightforward with that statement.

[Emera]

Originally Posted by NicoX

Wtf.

Stowen is a fantastic levels artist, although if he says anything about quitting Corinthia again I'll blow is brains out.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

wat are you even talking about

wat are you even confused about

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Crono

just wish skyld's efforts were used elsewhere tho. ):

Agreed.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by Crono

wat are you even confused about

well i hope you can explain to me why it's so horrible to develop a server, regardless of the history behind it

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

well i hope you can explain to me why it's so horrible to develop a server, regardless of the history behind it

Because most of the time people want to see it revived because "OMG IT WUZ MEH FAVURIT(and in retrospect servers weren't really all that great. Nostalgia can be blinding)" and people want to revive it because they'd be riding off the coat tails of the success of the name rather then their own hard work. Either way revivals never turn out that great(especially since it's rarely being revived by the party that made it great in the first place), and it just ends up marking a bad place in the history of the server.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Because most of the time people want to see it revived because "OMG IT WUZ MEH FAVURIT(and in retrospect servers weren't really all that great. Nostalgia can be blinding)" and people want to revive it because they'd be riding off the coat tails of the success of the name rather then their own hard work. Either way revivals never turn out that great(especially since it's rarely being revived by the party that made it great in the first place), and it just ends up marking a bad place in the history of the server.

That and Rudora was never really like...you know..."SO BIG MY FAVORITE BEST CONTENT O_O". iirc it was released along with the other small servers like Faheria, Frolic, etc. They had solid content for their time, but weren't really anything special imo.

Then again Xone wasn't special and the ~40 avg playercount server is still my fav home server. <3

[Imperialistic]

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.
I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

And for the record, towards your reviving party comment ; I actually worked for Rudora with Skyld as a Developer.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.

I think it's because even if such a revival were to come to fruition (which it never has, so there's a lack of examples in order to justify it), there are doubts over whether someone taking a shortcut to success would be the right person to direct such a project after accomplishing it, where they may reach a point where there are no shortcuts. This always happens before such a point is reached however, and always ends up with the project being abandoned, in a less pristine and/or more messy state than when it was inherited, with the reputation of the project shattered.

In Rudora's case, who is there with access to scripting ability on a par with Skyld's? Who also has a compatible vision, the track record, determination and stamina to pull such a feat off?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

I have no personal feeling towards Rudora, as I have never played it. The problem is that usually the people interested in reviving a server aren't interested in actually making a great server, but more interested in the idea that someone has already done the work for them.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.

See the above. How many revival projects do you see on Graal that actually get past uploading old content? Rarely any. In fact, revivals itself aren't bad, as I'm pretty sure Skyld's Rudora was actually a revival project. However there is a bad stigma associated with them for good reason. Hell, my own server was a revival of Classic.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

Most of the time a revival project is just as much work, or even more so, than just making a new server from scratch. But it also comes with tons of strings attached. If someone is actually committed and wants to make a great server, I'd rather see them actually go in their own direction and make an original server, rather then being tied down to working with old content(and the drama associated with fans of the old server).

I'm not saying it's impossible to get a legit revival going, but that rarely happens... and when a revival does happen it's usually done by shady members of the community that are too lazy to make their own content and instead are more interested in using someone elses.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Again, no one gave a good reason on why a server shouldn't be developed. From what I can see the only reason you don't think it's a good idea is because of your personal feelings about the server. So you're telling me its actually harmful to develop a pre-existing server just because someone else would take credit for it?

What I don't understand is how developers are frowned upon for their willingness to continue old projects regardless of the servers accomplishments.
I could see if Graal wasn't in desperate need for development. But being stubborn and reluctant towards our future development wouldn't be wise for our own sake.

And for the record, towards your reviving party comment ; I actually worked for Rudora with Skyld as a Developer.

you asked why we feel a server like this shouldn't be revived and then blame us for using "personal feelings". ok...

[Imperialistic]

Does it even matter if the revival is successful? It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

Dusty: It sounds like you're disagreeing with a revival simply because it hasn't went well in the past, which is totally a pessimistic attitude towards future accomplishments

[Skyld]

Like Wan said there is actually quite a lot of content ready to put together, it's just that nobody's really had the time to actually do it, including myself. I'd like to think that one day Rudora will come back with a whole new list of things to do, but sadly I don't know how likely it is to happen. It's nice to hear that there are still people following the project though!

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Does it even matter if the revival is successful?

To a lot of developers, there is some importance to them for having a successful revival, showing that their work wasn't entirely wasted.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

If there was a need for learning development practices and ideas, that would be the work of a Course, not doing it entirely from scratch, because there's more then one kind of education you need in order to do so properly.

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Dusty: It sounds like you're disagreeing with a revival simply because it hasn't went well in the past, which is totally a pessimistic attitude towards future accomplishments

None of my business to put my two cents in here, but I shall anyway.
You're ignoring the facts he clearly put into the argument, that being that in order to revive any old server that seems to have any desire to be, requires three basic things for at least a "successful revival".

1. Full GS1 to GS2 conversion (If its still in GS1)
2. Bug clean-up
3. At least some newer content that can keep the gameplay going a little longer then before.

Otherwise it's as I've said once before "going to end up being like making a frankenstein experiment out of a hot chick, no one wants to really see that and it'd just be better left alone as a memory" Light Paraphrasing.

If anything, it seems you're a little bit too optimistic.
No one can follow onto thinking this way without any logical course of actions and planning.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Does it even matter if the revival is successful? It's not like there is intentions to become the top server, but simply for learning and developmental purposes.

There's nothing stopping an able person from learning on an entirely new server, if anything you learn more doing it the hard way and then going back until you perfect it, than experimenting with existing work. Classic could also be classed as a revival, however in developing it from scratch, we've ended up with systems that allow us to implement updates much faster than could be expected as a result of reworking the old systems.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Dusty: It sounds like you're disagreeing with a revival simply because it hasn't went well in the past, which is totally a pessimistic attitude towards future accomplishments

Because it has less to do with accomplishing anything and more to do with someone unqualified using someone elses hard work and hoping to get some attention for it.

I hear it almost monthly, OMG I LOVE THAT SERVER REVIVE IT and usually if you look with an unbiased reason, there's very little reason to favor a revival. Old servers aren't as special as people make them out to be. Even the most popular, well-made servers of old are pretty boring in todays light.

I just feel a more productive thing to do would be to start over and work with the freedom of making your own original content. I feel that that promotes better accomplishments for the future than the many, many revival projects that come and go.

If someone able could actually get it done, then good, but as I've been saying that is the problem. How many people can you find on Graal who are interested in reviving a server that could actually do it justice? Very few. More often than not a revival project gets tossed into the hands of someone not qualified and instead just leeching off others.

[Hiro]

Revivals have just always failed, and so are frowned upon.

[Imperialistic]

Project Rudora v2.
stay posted

inspiration;

http://www.graalonline.com/community/gallery-14

[Rave_J]

LOL Crono Rudora was like Engima get up not be dead about couple of months then go down they change and then there back lol

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Rave_J

LOL Crono Rudora was like Engima get up not be dead about couple of months then go down they change and then there back lol

No, Enigma actually had a decent playercount and was up for a while until it finally died and went down (followed by failed revival attempts). iirc Rudora always had a small playercount and wasn't really anything special.

[Rave_J]

i know Rudora did but think about it when Enigma first came out great then Enigma graal two came out im talking the first day u had the manager showing u where all the quest is at everything lol 2 hours ur bored...... honestly the favorite server back in the day was Babylon i played Outlaw and Alexander babylon and it was the best then i got SFX Admin and spawn a Go Kart cuz i wasn't going to spend 500 ec's and i was in PK RAGE ect Heartless was big on it too for a while with blaze