Zone.... - Page 3

dude2020 · #81 03-22-2012, 09:56 PM

I'd like to know why anyone would even care anymore.

Stefan has repeatedly shot down anything dealing with Zone PC lol.

NicoX · #82 03-23-2012, 12:03 AM

Zone Management failed how many times now? 11 ? Dunno. Just close this Server.

Crono · #83 03-23-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoX

Zone Management failed how many times now? 11 ? Dunno. Just close this Server.

It's not their fault. They aren't really able to manage the server.

dude2020 · #84 03-23-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

It's not their fault. They aren't really able to manage the server.

They have control over 99% of the server now, only thing they don't have control over is the Gelat shop. Which has some overpowered weapons, which they should be allowed to balance out.

Some of the fault is Stefans for not doing as much but it's also the managers we've had. PowerProNL released an unfinished CTF map, released a new deathmatch map that had terrible spawns and was way too cluttered with useless stuff along with being the size of iricia, and with some insanly overpowered weapons (UTI35 or whatever having no freeze with 22 damage was some fun times).

Pez didn't do anything besides giving weapons less freeze and adding a terrible planet point system.

Programmer · #85 03-23-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

They have control over 99% of the server now, only thing they don't have control over is the Gelat shop. Which has some overpowered weapons, which they should be allowed to balance out.

Some of the fault is Stefans for not doing as much but it's also the managers we've had. PowerProNL released an unfinished CTF map, released a new deathmatch map that had terrible spawns and was way too cluttered with useless stuff along with being the size of iricia, and with some insanly overpowered weapons (UTI35 or whatever having no freeze with 22 damage was some fun times).

Pez didn't do anything besides giving weapons less freeze and adding a terrible planet point system.

Tenchry took over last year, and instated me as the Development Manager, but due to the crap that's been added, and Stefan's refusal to cooperate with development, I am unable to find any reason to continue with Zone. :|

dude2020 · #86 03-23-2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Programmer

Tenchry took over last year, and instated me as the Development Manager, but due to the crap that's been added, and Stefan's refusal to cooperate with development, I am unable to find any reason to continue with Zone. :|

Oh I knew Tenchry took over and made you come back, I was on when Pez announced it.

I don't blame you either, with more details shown and with PPNL and Pez working on iZone that's going to basically throw you off a cliff.

Tenchry_P2P · #87 03-24-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

Oh I knew Tenchry took over and made you come back, I was on when Pez announced it.

I don't blame you either, with more details shown and with PPNL and Pez working on iZone that's going to basically throw you off a cliff.

this is totally off-topic but i made a race map on Halo and it drove you off a cliff at the end..

Admins · #88 03-24-2012, 03:43 PM

Well everyone which I contacted refused to help on the new Zone... So right now only me and the Era iPhone staff are working on it.
Independent work on the Zone PC server could be interesting but the first thing everyone asks me is to remove the Gelat shop which is a no-go. It makes much more sense to help on the new Zone server and also help making it work better on PC.

dude2020 · #89 03-24-2012, 03:51 PM

No one is asking for it to removed. We want the ability to change WHAT IS IN IT.

Weapons should not be rentable. I've always been against this. The old event system was better then this renting system. Took any meaning out of events.

You're not starting on iZone for awhile it seems (or you already are?), might as well let the PC developers work on it. I'm not sure, but I would think Programmer would like to help.

Tenchry_P2P · #90 03-24-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Well everyone which I contacted refused to help on the new Zone... So right now only me and the Era iPhone staff are working on it.
Independent work on the Zone PC server could be interesting but the first thing everyone asks me is to remove the Gelat shop which is a no-go. It makes much more sense to help on the new Zone server and also help making it work better on PC.

The fact i didn't ask to Remove the gelat shop Stefan, i asked to actually make it work better, it would probably get more sales + it would be more fairer to the actual server.

Stephen · #91 03-24-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Well everyone which I contacted refused to help on the new Zone...

That's not entirely true.

Crono · #92 03-24-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

but the first thing everyone asks me is to remove the Gelat shop which is a no-go.

I've posted this many times and i'll post it again, the problem isn't the gelat shop, it's what's in it and how players can access them. Selling exclusive guns in the gelat shop that offer different performance to the guns that normal classes can get is not ok. You may be able to get away with it on the iServers, where there's a mass amount of players with low gaming experience, but not with the old Zone community.

To everyone else, the above is also probably the reason why we won't see Zone come back unless it's iZone and you're playing through Facebook.

Admins · #93 03-24-2012, 07:54 PM

On Classic and Era for iPhone/Facebook you can stuff by farming or jobs and buy the same items as everyone else.

Programmer · #94 03-25-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

On Classic and Era for iPhone/Facebook you can stuff by farming or jobs and buy the same items as everyone else.

So what you're saying is you intend to completely abandon Zone for PC in favor of an iPhone/Facebook platform? And, from what I understand, that it will be a "minigame" for iEra? If so, R.I.P. Zone.

Again, let me pound it into your thick skull.
The Gelat shop is a significant problem plaguing Zone. It provided kill-all options that prevents players from fairly playing the game. Imagine fighting a war where you have a suit of armor and a sword, and the enemy has tactical jetfighters. That's the extent of the damage that the Gelat shop is creating. We don't propose the removal of the Gelat shop, just the option to alter its contents to balance it so all players have an equal chance on the battlefield.

Also, in regards to Facebook Zone, that platform is likely to be extremely slow compared to the Gv6 client. If you intend to release it on Facebook, wouldn't it make much more sense to just LINK it to a faster client?

dude2020 · #95 03-25-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

On Classic and Era for iPhone/Facebook you can stuff by farming or jobs and buy the same items as everyone else.

On Zone PC you can't play.

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Originally Posted by Programmer

So what you're saying is you intend to completely abandon Zone for PC in favor of an iPhone/Facebook platform? And, from what I understand, that it will be a "minigame" for iEra? If so, R.I.P. Zone.

From I understand, Zone PC is being abandoned for the iPhone/Facebook/Client server all in one and the minigame for iEra was only a rumor.

Programmer · #96 03-25-2012, 01:05 AM

I would like to also bring up the point:

If you let us have free reign over Zone and all aspects of its development, what do you have to lose? You've got ZERO players! If anything, you should be all for this option, mainly because you could start acquiring more income from it!

dude2020 · #97 03-25-2012, 01:07 AM

u gun tak all mai monies

Crono · #98 03-25-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

On Classic and Era for iPhone/Facebook you can stuff by farming or jobs and buy the same items as everyone else.

The difference is that the things which you buy on Classic are purely "for fun" and aesthetical. You don't, for example, get a stronger sword for sparring. Everyone is on equal ground.

On Zone this changes, people pay money to buy powerful weapons. This is not right.

NicoX · #99 03-25-2012, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Programmer

I would like to also bring up the point:

If you let us have free reign over Zone and all aspects of its development, what do you have to lose? You've got ZERO players! If anything, you should be all for this option, mainly because you could start acquiring more income from it!

I like this Idea. You have really nothing to lose

Let them do and try it. When it wont change after 3 month you can just shut it down or make iZone or whatever.

dude2020 · #**100** 03-25-2012, 02:48 AM

3 months isn't enough time to undo the damages PPNL/Pez did.

NicoX · #**101** 03-25-2012, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

3 months isn't enough time to undo the damages PPNL/Pez did.

Why it isnt enough time? Dont they just want control over the gelat shop thingy for Zone? When PPNL or Pez or whatever made so much damage then just load a backup....

dude2020 · #**102** 03-25-2012, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NicoX

Why it isnt enough time? Dont they just want control over the gelat shop thingy for Zone? When PPNL or Pez or whatever made so much damage then just load a backup....

Yeah... last time I heard backups don't exist for Zone.

NicoX · #**103** 03-25-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

Yeah... last time I heard backups don't exist for Zone.

Hm weird. Stefan should have them.

dude2020 · #**104** 03-25-2012, 05:08 AM

I'm sure he'll have one as backup incase something happens.

He just won't use it.

Feonix · #**105** 03-26-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Programmer

I would like to also bring up the point:

If you let us have free reign over Zone and all aspects of its development, what do you have to lose? You've got ZERO players! If anything, you should be all for this option, mainly because you could start acquiring more income from it!

I agree. Stefan should just let you build up a legit development team and try your luck at at least boosting the playercount. Not really convinced he gives a **** about PC Zone anymore though...

Admins · #**106** 03-26-2012, 02:31 AM

Why not helping for the new Zone? It will be much more interesting. There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone. For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

NicoX · #**107** 03-26-2012, 02:36 AM

Well people on Graal PC still cares about Zone PC....Maybe they are not interested in helping an Iphone Server. Dont know....

Programmer · #**108** 03-26-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Why not helping for the new Zone? It will be much more interesting. There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone. For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

Not everyone has an iPhone, myself included. Plus, many people like the idea of playing on something larger than a 960x640 screen. If you give us the opportunity, we can bring ZonePC into the spotlight. At least give us the chance, Stefan.

dude2020 · #**109** 03-26-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Why not helping for the new Zone? It will be much more interesting. There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone. For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

That bolded part seriously pisses me off.

A server SHOULD NEVER BE BASED AROUND EVENTS.

Fulg0reSama · #**110** 03-26-2012, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dude2020

A server SHOULD NEVER BE BASED AROUND EVENTS.

But I enjoy playing this

Feonix · #**111** 03-26-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

It's almost as if he truly believes that events are going to save Zone. And how do you suggest we get get a playercount for those events anyways?

because rly nobody is going on zod and mass msging ''COME ON ZONE FOR EVENTS PLOX''

NicoX · #**112** 03-26-2012, 04:59 PM

Free weapons for everyone!

callimuc · #**113** 03-26-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone

iClassic is getting some guns and hoverboards? WHOOP!!

dude2020 · #**114** 03-26-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

But I enjoy playing this

yeah but those don't suck and isn't limited to three events that are spammed 6 hours a day.

ReptarKingOfTheOZone · #**115** 03-27-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Why not helping for the new Zone? It will be much more interesting. There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone. For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

Events kill the server, they are boring and repetative. you are making 0 money from zone, just let programmer try and fix it up. PC zone was a skill game unlike any other ive played, you dont get it. people dont want to play zone to get more guns or play events, people want to play zone to show skill (or lame).

When zone had players, upgrading to gold basically ment you could show off, save money and exp, earn ranks, buy some simple weapons that dont unbalance the game, ect.

then you changed it so all this was free, and you pay for power, you pay for advantage over other players, which is not what people in zone really wanted, some might have, but it eventually killed zone, and if you make a new izone game with this attitude, when free players are spat on and paying players have temporary boosts, then its likely doomed to fail.

you should really just let the people willing to help you actually help you build a player count, i imagine they have a much better idea of what they could put in gelat shop that would be worth buying without ruining anyones gameplay.

anubis_wing · #**116** 04-04-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Why not helping for the new Zone? It will be much more interesting. There will be several things which will also be available later for Era and Classic on iPhone. For the current Zone PC I would expect staff to more focus on events or so, not developing.

Let them have fun with it, your ideals are absolutely coming from a wrong direction. It shouldn't be "Don't change anything", it should be "have at it, try and make it popular, two sources of income are better than one."

Programmer · #**117** 04-08-2012, 02:10 AM

So what will it be Stefan? Will you abandon ZonePC and a potential source of revenue or let us fix it up?

Your choice.

dude2020 · #**118** 04-08-2012, 05:29 PM

Answer: Lol no, iZone will replace Zone PC and it will bring me infinite monies.

Wolfey · #**119** 04-11-2012, 08:20 AM

Errr

Didn't Zone iphone epically fail a couple years ago?

For Christs sake; just admit it Stefan, you fail at running Gold Servers...

Give Tig Full 100% Reign on GK ((and tig work on the damn prayers/ spells that are broken as well as other content that you stated you can not do))

Give Tench 100% Reign on Zone ((and Tench fix the hideous piles of crap that the past managers and Stefan have crapped all over the server))

If you want Stefan, if it makes you feel important you can create a rank called "Supper Manager" so you feel important while dev work gets done =/

Tenchry has more ideas in his little finger about PC graal then you do about any graal server at any given time. Just admit your failures and let someone who knows how to get the job done get to work.

Just step aside and let the community get to work like we always do, whats the worse thing that happens you actually make money?

/end rant

ffcmike · #**120** 04-11-2012, 10:19 AM

While I do sympathise Zone's predicament, some of these posts are only worsening the lack of trust towards the community + volunteer developers to oversee money related issues. For Zone to be taken seriously rather than shrugged off, there needs to be a detailed and presentable plan, and input of as much work as humanly possible to back it up with some credence.

Ofcourse this would be difficult under current circumstances, but it's necessary for circumstances to ever be improved.