New Terms of Service

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

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Again, standard MMO stuff. Don't get worked up over nothing. And no it doesn't give them the freedom to do whatever they want, it simply means if they have to do something about something then they can without worrying. And I say for the last time PWA and Graal ToS still overrule this anyways. They can't just go banning people for no reason.

But by the time you get a hold of PWA and get it reversed, players have lost time. This is especially harmful for players with Gold Only time and they lose days on their time on a server they like to play because of this.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

But by the time you get a hold of PWA and get it reversed, players have lost time. This is especially harmful for players with Gold Only time and they lose days on their time on a server they like to play because of this.

Maybe. But if this gets out of hand then UN is going to be in a lot of trouble. Do you think that multiple reports of banning without reason is going to be tolerated? It won't be(or shouldn't be... but if it's not treated appropriately then why play in the first place?).

Like I said. EVERY MMO EVER HAS THIS SORT OF CLAUSE. Just because it wasn't written out before doesn't mean it wasn't applied. You're not losing any rights, they're just being more transparent about it.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

You're not losing any rights, they're just being more transparent about it.

This is true.

But might I ask how this changes for those who wish to argue against the persecutors themselves? Bring a PWA to cause a ruckus? That's inefficient.

Originally Posted by SlikRick

This leaves a big loop hole for staff to exploit.

I'd also like to state that this also does have small holes for players to exploit as well.

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

This is true.

But might I ask how this changes for those who wish to argue against the persecutors themselves? Bring a PWA to cause a ruckus? That's inefficient.



I'd also like to state that this also does have small holes for players to exploit as well.

Small holes compared to the big ones the staff are allowed to exploit to their advantage.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

Small holes compared to the big ones the staff are allowed to exploit to their advantage.

You act as though staff wouldn't do shady things before; as though they need to use holes to exploit in the first place, as if this is something that will be scrutinized under a legal court. If they wanted to ban you before without warning they would have. If they want to ban you now without warning they will. Do you think now that there is a rule staying they can, that if they do other staff will not question it? That PWA will not question it? If someone bans a player because they don't like them, and another staff questions them about it and they say "rules allow me to ban without a reason" and the staff don't do anything about , I've got a surprise for you: They wouldn't have done anything about it before. Nothing has changed.

Apparently you managed N-pulse. Surely you had a "ban without warning when justified" mentality. It's standard stuff.

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Apparently you managed N-pulse. Surely you had a "ban without warning when justified" mentality. It's standard stuff.

The only bans I allowed to happen,without warning, while I was manager was willful destruction of the server, deleting files, etc., and hacking.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

The only bans I allowed to happen,without warning, while I was manager was willful destruction of the server, deleting files, etc., and hacking.

Exactly. You allowed it, therefor there was a "clause" for it, so to say. If it can happen, then in a set of rules typically you should disclose that it CAN happen. That's all that's going on here.