Graal Free To Play on Facebook and Android - Page 5

Shards-Of-Fate · #**161** 03-21-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

UN has a "hat economy" right? There's nothing stopping them from flooding their shop with a bunch of custom hats for say 25-50 Gelats a pop. I'm sure they can also provide a bunch of other aesthetic items as well..

Hats?

Zodiac being the closest to an MMO has like...One of the biggest cash shop arrays. Gear, Mounts, XP Items, Aesthetics~

o_o The question is--Are the rules/requirements for being a free to play server going to change?

devilsknite1 · #**162** 03-21-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

and just to emphasize the point even more - PC graal going to an item-based economy to generate revenue is not going to happen to the classic-style servers anytime soon, unless they make changing colors on bodies (for example) something you have to buy, which would be terrible. what i'm asking about is a completely free PC graal and whether or not it is a possibility at all, not a pseudo-free PC graal where i have to purchase gelats (or whatever the hell they're called now) in order to change shoe color

This is not true. UN has many ideas for "gelat items" and are currently being developed. In fact, a few are already completed.
To FP4: we have more in mind than just flashy NPCs and hats

Grimm753 · #**163** 03-21-2011, 10:07 PM

Switch said it all. Thumbs up to you dude. Glad to see there's someone else with the same outlook on this.

WillaWonka · #**164** 03-21-2011, 10:07 PM

Damn i wanted the golden ticket to be a guess !

cbk1994 · #**165** 03-21-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

I am disappointed. I came on here yesterday to see what was new and saw that you would be announcing something. "Okay, I'll come back tomorrow. Maybe it's G3D!"

I come on to see this crap. Instead of working on something already released you go and make another version of the same exact thing that probably won't have as much flexibility as the current PC Graal. You would think that a company would work to get more people attracted to an already almost-finished product rather than show off to a whole new user-base that probably won't stay for long. You would also think that they would work on something that had real potential, like Graal 3D.

G3D has no chance. There are many companies making 3D games right now with budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars for a single game. Eurocenter cannot compete, and they shouldn't try to. You're essentially saying that Graal should become an entirely different product even though they have now found a strategy that seems to work.

WaDaFack · #**166** 03-21-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by devilsknite1

This is not true. UN has many ideas for "gelat items" and are currently being developed. In fact, a few are already completed.
To FP4: we have more in mind than just flashy NPCs and hats

Before releasing useless NPCs, why not improve the quality of the server first? So when newcomers join the server, they'll stay and maybe consider purchasing an item or two. However, if the server is total crap, why in the hell would they spend another penny on the server? Hundreds of bugs in the UN forums were posted, and barely any of them were even fixed. In fact, wtf was even the point of creating that section? For a server that has existed for almost 10years, it lacks major quality. Reason probably being the lazy, arrogant staff/developers you guys have. But that's a different topic for another time. FP4 is right, we have "flashy"/abusive hats, and a hat trade. Which is also turning to complete crap since 5 hat tickets are given out every month.
Facebook is the biggest, and fastest growing social network on the web.
Adding Graal to Facebook has to be probably one of the best advancements Eurocenter has done with Graal so far. Other than that, any news on the new Developer tools?!

Zero · #**167** 03-21-2011, 11:25 PM

Hurry Up and Release Android Version.... Geez

Switch · #**168** 03-22-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

G3D has no chance. There are many companies making 3D games right now with budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars for a single game. Eurocenter cannot compete, and they shouldn't try to. You're essentially saying that Graal should become an entirely different product even though they have now found a strategy that seems to work.

No I'm not. I'm saying that Graal should be improved upon as a game like Eurocenter is doing with all of the other ones. Hire a few developers to make a server that is a full game, advertise it, bring in players, invest some more in it.

cbk1994 · #**169** 03-22-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Switch

No I'm not. I'm saying that Graal should be improved upon as a game like Eurocenter is doing with all of the other ones. Hire a few developers to make a server that is a full game, advertise it, bring in players, invest some more in it.

Then why are you suggesting they work on G3D? That's not an improvement, that's a totally different game.

MattKan · #**170** 03-22-2011, 12:42 AM

This thread basically says that Graal is not done, that there will be things done to improve it. If they are gonna rebuild Graal3D, then they don't have to do it ASAP.

On the other hand, I think that users on Facebook should log into Era PC and Classic PC, not the iPhone servers.

Advantages:

This will prevent the need of hiring a brand new staff team to manage the server.
Stefan will not be needed to integrate the iPhone server's content onto the Facebook server.
This would generate a lot of players for Era and Classic, which I'm sure is a good thing
Era has a gelat shop that could be edited a little bit to become a "Facebook Credit Shop"
It is my understanding that Classic has some interesting new things coming that would go absolultely perfect as things to buy.

It just seems to be a win-win situation. Not only would it generate a bigger playercount for Graal PC, especially these two servers, but you guys would get your fair share of cash- more than you would get in this current plan, in my opinoin.

I would not object to having to wait another month or two, or even longer if time was needed to rework these systems. Hopefully you'll read this and listen... I really hope so.

Hiro · #**171** 03-22-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by devilsknite1

This is not true. UN has many ideas for "gelat items" and are currently being developed. In fact, a few are already completed.
To FP4: we have more in mind than just flashy NPCs and hats

i could care less about the stuff that has not been developed yet. if a "item's for UN" project is underway then i really hope you choose what you make delicately. player aesthetics and other such nonsense (which UN has a plethora of) would be fine so long as it doesn't force me to buy gelats for something i need in order to participate

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

If they don't want to attempt to think outside the box then yeah they won't be able to introduce micro-transactions.

UN has a "hat economy" right? There's nothing stopping them from flooding their shop with a bunch of custom hats for say 25-50 Gelats a pop. I'm sure they can also provide a bunch of other aesthetic items as well.

The competence of the people running the server will decide whether it becomes Free-to-play or not. Not the limited options you say they'll have.

the "hat economy" is pretty rigid, and it is unfortunately the only thing going for UN in terms of spending power. i know that there are plans for hats in the works, but not in terms of them being for the "item-shop" C mentioned. making hat's purchasable with gelats is a good idea, though it tramples on EP and the point of events (since it would mean we'd have to either make the gelat purchases very small or increase the amount of EP player's have to spend). if done with care, it could work out

but really, what else does UN really have going for it other than hats and a few annoying NPCs?

kia345 · #**172** 03-22-2011, 02:28 AM

DEAR UN: MAKE HATS PURCHASABLE WITH GELATS
but make those hats untradeable. If Valve can do it, so can you.

iBreez · #**173** 03-22-2011, 03:33 AM

My god, this is probably the best business choice you guys have made.
Just please, make sure there's a way to sync our facebook, ipods/iphones/ipads, and Graal accounts all together when it's released.

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Originally Posted by MattKan

Half the world plays farmville.

And soon half of the world could be playing graal.

All I can say is that once the facebook version is publicly released, you guys better be hell ready for server heart-attacks if you don't put a cap on how many people can go on each one, and create multiple, like runescape.

PhilSmith · #**174** 03-22-2011, 03:42 AM

Here are some of the highlights I've noticed:
-New Development Tools! Woot! Don't know much about them yet, but they are bound to be better than the GS1 Level Editor

-Graal For Android! I don't have an Android phone, but in speaking from an iPhone players perspective, I'm sure it will be a huge success!
-V6 Client/Web Based Playing

-and in saving the best for last...-
FACEBOOK!

This will surely bring in the revenue to Graal. But don't you think that 1/10 players might wander over to the PC version? Seeing that the prices are RIDICULOUS they might get turned away. Wouldn't it be a better business strategy to make sure you don't lose customers that already like the game to look into the PC version? Maybe lower it to $10 or $15 (just while the developers on the servers get some in-game purchasing going)? Then these people wouldn't get turned away...

Just my thoughts and opinions

Overall very positive

MattKan · #**175** 03-22-2011, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilSmith

Here are some of the highlights I've noticed:
-New Development Tools! Woot! Don't know much about them yet, but they are bound to be better than the GS1 Level Editor

-Graal For Android! I don't have an Android phone, but in speaking from an iPhone players perspective, I'm sure it will be a huge success!
-V6 Client/Web Based Playing

-and in saving the best for last...-
FACEBOOK!

This will surely bring in the revenue to Graal. But don't you think that 1/10 players might wander over to the PC version? Seeing that the prices are RIDICULOUS they might get turned away. Wouldn't it be a better business strategy to make sure you don't lose customers that already like the game to look into the PC version? Maybe lower it to $10 or $15 (just while the developers on the servers get some in-game purchasing going)? Then these people wouldn't get turned away...

Just my thoughts and opinions

Overall very positive

Well, there's always the "new pricing plan", which hopefully is coming up soon with the release of v6; it seems that lots of big servers, such as UN and Classic, are getting ready for this buy adding items that are buyable with gelats... So we will see

fowlplay4 · #**176** 03-22-2011, 03:53 AM

I guess the next thing we'll get to find out if Graal is technically scalable and if it'll be able to supply the potential demand.

Fulg0reSama · #**177** 03-22-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I guess the next thing we'll get to find out if Graal is technically scalable and if it'll be able to supply the potential demand.

If we know anything about how servers work at any platform, it's that it'll need to be able to bring out a lot of frequent updates and possibly different variations of servers, otherwise we won't be able to hit the market with the highest potential peak.

cbk1994 · #**178** 03-22-2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I guess the next thing we'll get to find out if Graal is technically scalable and if it'll be able to supply the potential demand.

Someone mentioned to me that they were outsourcing their hosting to Amazon's services (like App Engine, but I'm not as familiar with Amazon's) which would provide almost infinite scalability. I don't know if it's true, but Stefan seems to know what he's doing most of the time regarding server software.

Fulg0reSama · #**179** 03-22-2011, 04:39 AM

I can't remember so much of what is in this thread, but I have a question.

How is staff going to be handled for the facebook servers exactly?

Switch · #**180** 03-22-2011, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Then why are you suggesting they work on G3D? That's not an improvement, that's a totally different game.

Like I said, they gave up something with potential (G3D) because of poor management. I'm not suggesting they work on it now, but that they keep giving up things and making new things, thinning out the developer community which will output less updates, lose people's interest, etc.

PhilSmith · #**181** 03-22-2011, 05:36 AM

Two other great advantages I've found

-us iPhone noobs won't get picked on as much, it'll be the "facebook noobs" lmao.
-when facebook players join, they wont have the expectations for UN, Zodiac, etc. as we do because they have never seen them before. That should give enough time to boost the moral of the management of the server to put out some nice updates

Roflmao

James · #**182** 03-22-2011, 06:05 AM

g2k1 facebook plz

Demisis_P2P · #**183** 03-22-2011, 07:26 AM

I hope they provide adequate support for this.

Zynga, the company that runs Farmville has about 1500 employees. Graal has what, 3 or 4?

Fulg0reSama · #**184** 03-22-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I hope they provide adequate support for this.

Zynga, the company that runs Farmville has about 1500 employees. Graal has what, 3 or 4?

GraalOnline should hire its players to aid with this, I'll definitely wish to apply if they did.

Demisis_P2P · #**185** 03-22-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

GraalOnline should hire its players to aid with this, I'll definitely wish to apply if they did.

They can keep leeching off players for free content, they'd only need to hire project managers, QAs, and support personnel.

Sky · #**186** 03-22-2011, 07:37 AM

Can't wait to play graal on facebook! Made a facebook just for it.. ;D

wizard1st · #**187** 03-22-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sky

Can't wait to play graal on facebook! Made a facebook just for it.. ;D

DustyPorViva · #**188** 03-22-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

GraalOnline should hire its players to aid with this, I'll definitely wish to apply if they did.

iDarkus makes an ironic point in your sig now.

Fulg0reSama · #**189** 03-22-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

iDarkus makes an ironic point in your sig now.

He sure does.

Kiwi27 · #**190** 03-22-2011, 09:49 AM

Does this use your real name like in the screenshots? Or do you create a username at the start?

I'm very interested to see how many players this will get, but most popular Facebook games seem to be the ones avertised a lot. Will ads be bought? If so, I hope for them to show in NZ...

Crono · #**191** 03-22-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Like I said, they gave up something with potential (G3D) because of poor management. I'm not suggesting they work on it now, but that they keep giving up things and making new things, thinning out the developer community which will output less updates, lose people's interest, etc.

g3d had no potential

everyone forgets what graal is

James · #**192** 03-22-2011, 02:34 PM

lol @ g3d and the word potential in the same sentence

Zeke · #**193** 03-22-2011, 03:59 PM

New dev tools, cool. I hope you guys have an offline editor for linux

Hiro · #**194** 03-22-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

g3d had no potential

everyone forgets what graal is

my G3D server was fun as hell. ajira and i had the best flying-in-the-air arrow-battles and then the most frustrating time figuring out why the "guard" NPCs kept falling indefinitely through the world

totally lost cause though

xAndrewx · #**195** 03-22-2011, 08:02 PM

wow

Graal Era Facebook owns- no lie o_o

Crono can vouch for me, my reaction to playing it whilst Stefan was on RC was immense

Tim_Rocks · #**196** 03-22-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

wow

Graal Era Facebook owns- no lie o_o

Crono can vouch for me, my reaction to playing it whilst Stefan was on RC was immense

Can't wait to try it :P

MattKan · #**197** 03-22-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Graal Era Facebook

You mean "Graal Era iPhone Facebook", because it isn't a facebook version of the original server but the iPhone server.

Tigairius · #**198** 03-22-2011, 11:08 PM

The game runs quite nice on Facebook. I am very excited to see the possibilities of Graal on Facebook. I think it opens up a lot more opportunity to developers.

Theodor · #**199** 03-23-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

The game runs quite nice on Facebook. I am very excited to see the possibilities of Graal on Facebook. I think it opens up a lot more opportunity to developers.

i'd love to have a look

iBreez · #**200** 03-23-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I really hope we don't get bombarded with nameless pc:###### accounts as a result.

Complain to stefan and unixmad to get rid of PC's and graal#s and observer, and make it so people can actually name their "account name".
If we get enough people on board I bet it could work