You're welcome, Eurocenter

DustyPorViva · #1 03-21-2011, 03:16 AM

I accept your thanks on behalf of the development community(and players I guess, but I'm mostly a developer and not a player, so I don't think it'd be right to act like one) here at PC Graal, Stefan and Unixmad. I accept your thanks for the work of the developers have done over the many years and kept Graal alive. Even through all the neglect and many years of being what almost seems to be completely ignore, you're still welcome. You remember when playercount seemed to be almost nil?

You remember when Gold servers almost stopped holding a playerbase? You remember the developers that kept working through the years, hell, the developers that paid to give Graal content and never got paid? I remember so many years of working with primitive and outdated tools, but still managed to function. So many talented developers I watched overcome the limitations of Graal and the tools, pulling off amazing things. But more importantly I remember sticking by Graal and for some damn odd reason, always hoping to bring something to the table for players. For the players who also stuck by Graal, no matter how hard it was for developers to provide them with fulfilling content. So many lack of updates for us developers. So much neglect, but we stuck by you. Ya, we were cynical but can you blame us? We just wanted a little more for our money. But we still stuck around regardless.

But yes, I do accept your thanks for those who stuck by Graal and kept it alive long enough to eventually find the niche to really make it flourish -- the casual player niche. I mean, what would have happened the so many years if we just up and left? Would Graal still be here? I dunno, but it is now and it seems like it has finally made it worth your time and it seems like you're finally glad to have it.

You're welcome.

nullify · #2 03-21-2011, 03:21 AM

Repped. Thanks for your development work, Dusty.

_Zelph · #3 03-21-2011, 03:22 AM

Yeah. Most of us feel that way. That's why Graal is, and will continue to be, experiencing a brain drain.

kia345 · #4 03-21-2011, 03:25 AM

Lackluster content for the masses is cheaper than impressive content crafted by talented individuals like yourself. As true as everything you said is, it's been painfully obvious for a long time that the powers that be are rather uninterested in the community - both developers and players - that Graal hosts, and more interested in turning a profit. Just look at the last thread Unix posted before the Facebook announcement. So many broken promises and missed opportunities to satisfy the long term players and workers.

You can't really blame them. The casual market that is iPhone games and Bejeweled on Facebook is a much nicer place to be, it requires much less effort in the long run than it would take for a legitimate game to make just as much money.

It's some twisted analogy about how Stefan went from a humble port/rip of Zelda, something magical with potential, to a thoroughly milked time-wasting game. Something about selling your soul I guess.

e. as someone who is primarily just a player, I have to say that I appreciate you devs a lot for all that you do, and my constant violent criticism in threads, even for new/unskilled developers is only because I love you. Except Soala.

oo_jazz_oo · #5 03-21-2011, 03:27 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks to all the Graal devs for your dedication and hard work!

ffcmike · #6 03-21-2011, 03:36 AM

joel34 · #7 03-21-2011, 06:28 AM

please, soala, don't post

jorollychu · #8 03-21-2011, 06:36 AM

thanks to everyone except everyone who has been dev admin/manager of classic since 2004 and has killed it.

Mark Sir Link · #9 03-21-2011, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

thanks to everyone except everyone who has been dev admin/manager of classic since 2004 and has killed it.

yup

Luda · #10 03-21-2011, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

thanks to everyone except everyone who has been dev admin/manager of classic since 2004 and has killed it.

yep

MysticX2X · #11 03-21-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

thanks to everyone except everyone who has been dev admin/manager of classic since 2004 and has killed it.

ya

ffcmike · #12 03-21-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

thanks to everyone except everyone who has been dev admin/manager of classic since 2004 and has killed it.

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yup

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Originally Posted by Luda

yep

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ya

An issue is being raised that questions the decency of 2 individuals that are pushing the dedication of many people over the last decade (and that includes people that worked on Classic both prior and after the date specified) to one side for their own benefit (and I'm not saying it isn't a step forward, that's not the issue), and you're using it as an opportunity to make a jab towards what can only be one or 2 people that whether you like it or not have contributed more than what you will ever contribute.

If there is anyone that should not be thanked, it is you.

WhiteDragon · #13 03-21-2011, 07:02 AM

It's unfortunate that this thread which was clearly targeted at Eurocenter had to be swung into some internal drama.

jorollychu · #14 03-21-2011, 07:14 AM

LMAO thor, you actually believe all that garbage you and whitedragon (how often did this ****ing clown **** around with NPCs that were never released while off tag?) worked on is contributing. contributing to no one, and not listening to anyone's opinions, is something you should NEVER be thanked for. No idea how such a headless arrogant chicken as yourself got the manager position, not that it's very prestigious considering the state of classic when you got it.

ffcmike · #15 03-21-2011, 07:19 AM

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LMAO thor, you actually believe all that garbage you and whitedragon (how often did this ****ing clown **** around with NPCs that were never released while off tag?) worked on is contributing. contributing to no one, and not listening to anyone's opinions, is something you should NEVER be thanked for. No idea how such a headless arrogant chicken as yourself got the manager position, not that it's very prestigious considering the state of classic when you got it.

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An issue is being raised that questions the decency of 2 individuals that are pushing the dedication of many people over the last decade (and that includes people that worked on Classic both prior and after the date specified) to one side for their own benefit (and I'm not saying it isn't a step forward, that's not the issue), and you're using it as an opportunity to make a jab towards what can only be one or 2 people that whether you like it or not have contributed more than what you will ever contribute.

If there is anyone that should not be thanked, it is you.

Thank you for proving my point.

jorollychu · #16 03-21-2011, 08:38 AM

Thor with the most impressive "point" ever made. You're a joke, you think you're actually doing something for classic, but it's basically just a developer's playground that will NEVER amount to anything.

ffcmike · #17 03-21-2011, 08:44 AM

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Thor with the most impressive "point" ever made. You're a joke, you think you're actually doing something for classic, but it's basically just a developer's playground that will NEVER amount to anything.

And you think you're actually upsetting me somehow.

Fulg0reSama · #18 03-21-2011, 09:15 AM

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Thor with the most impressive "point" ever made. You're a joke, you think you're actually doing something for classic, but it's basically just a developer's playground that will NEVER amount to anything.

You either have a really pathetic beef with Thor or you are one of the worst trolls I've ever seen, whatever the matter, just stop and take it to PMs.

Crono · #19 03-21-2011, 09:15 AM

Demisis_P2P · #20 03-21-2011, 09:34 AM

Did anybody else read the whole first post in a sarcastic way at first?

Geno · #21 03-21-2011, 09:37 AM

dusty you are bomb.

oh lets argue about graal classic.

yeah your server was cool. but like my cooler server g2k1. sh1t gets lame. suck it. thx

jorollychu · #22 03-21-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

You either have a really pathetic beef with Thor or you are one of the worst trolls I've ever seen, whatever the matter, just stop and take it to PMs.

lmao buddy dont even talk to me i have no idea who you are and dont want to read your trolling get the **** out of my face i dislike you more than thor now.

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And you think you're actually upsetting me somehow.

If i wasn't, you wouldn't be negging me all the time.

Fulg0reSama · #23 03-21-2011, 10:05 AM

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lmao buddy dont even talk to me i have no idea who you are and dont want to read your trolling get the **** out of my face i dislike you more than thor now.

truth hurts huh?

ffcmike · #24 03-21-2011, 10:13 AM

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If i wasn't, you wouldn't be negging me all the time.

You're the one that has actually cried about it.

Hiro · #25 03-21-2011, 06:51 PM

cool post and all, but it's bull**** to think that developers are not also players

you just play with scripts and the backlash of putting out content instead of with pixel-swords and the backlash of winning all the time

i mean, it's all the same to eurocenter

sssssssssss · #26 03-21-2011, 08:01 PM

The first post is the exact reason I will probably finish my server simply to finish it, but still know it will fail because graal fails.

Crono · #27 03-21-2011, 08:10 PM

they will never acknowledge any of it dusty

it's a matter of NO1 FORCED u 2 MOHAHAHA

Conqueror · #28 03-21-2011, 08:58 PM

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it's a matter of NO1 FORCED u 2 MOHAHAHA

LOL! Rep +1

Shadow5596321 · #29 03-21-2011, 09:26 PM

classic and zone seems to have something in common :O

-edit- lol@failrep

MysticX2X · #30 03-21-2011, 09:40 PM

Yump here is politically motivated.

WanDaMan · #31 03-21-2011, 09:43 PM

You're my favorite and probably the best developer on Graal Online; I am more than grateful for your contributions and the amount of hope you have given me (and others) to believe that they can create a server using the out-dated development software.

Thanks D'

Unkownsoldier · #32 03-22-2011, 02:59 AM

Why was this thread even made? No one asked for players to do anything. They were given the ability to develop their skills. That was their intention, for players to get a basis in what it takes to develop a game, from the scripting aspect to images, etc. The objective was to enhance your self, not to develop servers for people to actually play, that just happens to be a bi-product. Now a days we focus more on what the players would want, instead of actually improving our skills. This is why your servers "fail" they weren't meant for that purpose in the first place, so its simply not failing in the aspect of having terrible content, its just failing in the aspect of it not being used properly. You say that the managers of this game don't care, then why would they take their time to make us new developer tools? You see, the original purpose for the game was for kids to get a sense of what making a game is like. Nothing more nothing less. It seems you all missed that point. Then over the years they figured out that developers weren't interested in really enhancing their skills, so thats why they advertise "Make your own server!" because its just about the money now. Thanks for ruining it ;D

Rufus · #33 03-22-2011, 03:04 AM

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You say that the managers of this game don't care, then why would they take their time to make us new developer tools?

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The objective was to enhance your self, not to develop servers for people to actually play, that just happens to be a bi-product.

If what you're saying is true, which it is not, why did the ability to rent a server come after the ability to get your server hosted (through offline work and project inspection), which came after the release of servers to play on?

DustyPorViva · #34 03-22-2011, 03:08 AM

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You say that the managers of this game don't care, then why would they take their time to make us new developer tools?

We have been asking for updated tools for YEARS. Stefan said it was a waste of time. The only reason tools got reevaluated was so they could provide something useful to all the new players they've gotten from iPhone and I guess the potential Facebook crowd. It's for them, not for us. If it wasn't for iPhone I imagine we still wouldn't have any new tools.

Unkownsoldier · #35 03-22-2011, 03:09 AM

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If what you're saying is true, which it is not, why did the ability to rent a server come after the ability to get your server hosted (through offline work and project inspection), which came after the release of servers to play on?

I'm talking about the game after Eurocenter released one of their own servers. They had to establish a player base first. Duhh, everyone knows that o.o

Rufus · #36 03-22-2011, 03:13 AM

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I'm talking about the game after Eurocenter released one of their own servers. They had to establish a player base first. Duhh, everyone knows that o.o

Haha yeah, that makes a lot of sense. My bad.

sssssssssss · #37 03-22-2011, 03:14 AM

I cant remember since 1999 Graal ever saying work online to script but only to make your skills better on gs1, or gs2. And for what good would it be to learn gscript, especially gs1 back in the day, if its only to get better at it? Get better at it for what? Not to make a server even though you are getting better at it on a server?

Makes no sense in that aspect...

fowlplay4 · #38 03-22-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

They were given the ability to develop their skills. That was their intention, for players to get a basis in what it takes to develop a game, from the scripting aspect to images, etc. The objective was to enhance your self, not to develop servers for people to actually play, that just happens to be a bi-product.

I don't know about you but my skills are a bi-product of developing for a server, not some selfish conquest for self-improvement that you make it out to be.

DustyPorViva · #39 03-22-2011, 03:20 AM

Also, just because they didn't ask us to do it doesn't change the fact that nearly all of the content on Graal was made by players. And I mean nearly ALL of it. Even Classic, before hosting, was mostly made by players. Zone was made by players before Stefan took it over and made it a Gold server. G2k1? A team of developers picked by Stefan worked on it, and I don't think they were paid. Same for New World(which most of the biggest changes to Graal came from, like the NPC Server and the NW format).

Doesn't mean that because we weren't asked to do it, that none of the people who worked their ass off deserves to be recognized for it.

Unkownsoldier · #40 03-22-2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Also, just because they didn't ask us to do it doesn't change the fact that nearly all of the content on Graal was made by players. And I mean nearly ALL of it. Even Classic, before hosting, was mostly made by players. Zone was made by players before Stefan took it over and made it a Gold server. G2k1? A team of developers picked by Stefan worked on it, and I don't think they were paid. Same for New World(which most of the biggest changes to Graal came from, like the NPC Server and the NW format).

Doesn't mean that because we weren't asked to do it, that none of the people who worked their ass off deserves to be recognized for it.

Point proven. you want to know why Eurocenter stopped putting time in this game? Because of people like you who would develop for them. Where did that get you?