Tip for iPhone servers:

MattKan · #1 02-06-2011, 03:25 AM

Doing this may only benefit me, but alas I want it so I'm going to ask for it.

So I hooked a wireless/bluetooth keyboard for my iTouch so I could type easier on it. And I decided to play Graal iPhone on it. However, I was disapointed to find that I couldn't use the arrow keys to move and I couldn't use tab to type (and I couldn't use F8 to server warp

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So my request for you is to enable chatting with tab and arrow keys to move so that I can prop up my iTouch and just use the keyboard to control it.

That would be all.

Admins · #2 02-19-2011, 10:13 PM

Yes could be interesting, also for playing on iPad

Fulg0reSama · #3 02-19-2011, 10:18 PM

This would also theoretically enable balance between iPhone and PC players if you were to actually allow PC and iPhone to mingle together.

Bubble13 · #4 02-20-2011, 06:39 AM

Good idea, but unfair advantage.

Hiro · #5 02-20-2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble13

Good idea, but unfair advantage.

what

Fulg0reSama · #6 02-20-2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble13

Good idea, but unfair advantage.

How? If they both can use the keyboard for more fair movement and fighting, which was one of the main problems other then bull**** lag... How's it unfair.

Xterminator · #7 02-20-2011, 07:04 AM

I think he meant it would be unfair because some players would play with the keyboard and would have an advantage on those who aren't.

MattKan · #8 02-20-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Yes could be interesting, also for playing on iPad

Yeah, I have an iPad and I could prop it up and essentially play as if I was using a computer, I'd play the iPhone servers a lot more then

Crono · #9 02-20-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

what

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

How? If they both can use the keyboard for more fair movement and fighting, which was one of the main problems other then bull**** lag... How's it unfair.

i suppose it's a matter of not everyone having/being able to afford a compatible keyboard...although tbh if you have an iDevice you can probably afford it.

Fulg0reSama · #10 02-20-2011, 07:31 AM

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i suppose it's a matter of not everyone having/being able to afford a compatible keyboard...although tbh if you have an iDevice you can probably afford it.

If you got welfare, you can get it.

MattKan · #11 02-20-2011, 07:43 AM

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If you got welfare, you can get it.

I bet it'd be hard to count the number of Graalians on welfare

Fulg0reSama · #12 02-20-2011, 07:47 AM

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I bet it'd be hard to count the number of Graalians on welfare

I think you'd lose that bet.

Tim_Rocks · #13 02-20-2011, 09:13 AM

I don't understand why this is a big deal, if the keyboard exists (which obviously it does) then why not allow the extra feature? The iPad already has an unfair advantage to begin with cause it has a bigger screen and can see a lot more than what I can on my iTouch. Hope this works out. btw great idea, Matt!

MattKan · #14 02-21-2011, 04:28 AM

See? Everything is in order except I can't use the Graal App without touching the screen

nullify · #15 02-21-2011, 02:00 PM

If you could use a keyboard and gain an unfair advantage, why not just open it up to PC users? It'd be the same thing.

papajchris · #16 02-21-2011, 05:09 PM

PC users have a larger screen and see an entire level whereas ipod users only see a few inches of it

nullify · #17 02-21-2011, 05:45 PM

Apparently you didn't look at the screenshot with the iPad.

Hiro · #18 02-21-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by papajchris

PC users have a larger screen and see an entire level whereas ipod users only see a few inches of it

i personally play with a small windowed screen instead of having it fullscreen, so i don't see how that's an advantage unless you're trying to eavesdrop on a conversation

MattKan · #19 02-22-2011, 01:08 AM

What I don't understand is that it keeps being stated that it would be possible to allow PC users on the server, but it isn't done?

Fulg0reSama · #20 02-22-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKan

What I don't understand is that it keeps being stated that it would be possible to allow PC users on the server, but it isn't done?

No, the reason they keep slamming in our face is because of the fact of "lag" problems but when you see Classic iPhone with over a thousand people in a condensed server environment you know that claim is bull****. If they combined iPhone and PC communities into one whole community, then the game's traffic and plausible advertisement capabilities would be epic.

MattKan · #21 02-22-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

No, the reason they keep slamming in our face is because of the fact of "lag" problems but when you see Classic iPhone with over a thousand people in a condensed server environment you know that claim is bull****. If they combined iPhone and PC communities into one whole community, then the game's traffic and plausible advertisement capabilities would be epic.

Okay, so Stefan, whatchya waiting for?

ffcmike · #22 02-22-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

No, the reason they keep slamming in our face is because of the fact of "lag" problems but when you see Classic iPhone with over a thousand people in a condensed server environment you know that claim is bull****. If they combined iPhone and PC communities into one whole community, then the game's traffic and plausible advertisement capabilities would be epic.

The issue isn't that allowing PC players would create more lag, it's that PC players would be at a huge advantage over iPhone players as they'd be alot less susceptible to suffering from it.

Besides, I think the real "problem" is that combining the 2 communities risks opening many peoples eyes towards what they have been nonsensically spending money on.

Hiro · #23 02-22-2011, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

Besides, I think the real "problem" is that combining the 2 communities risks opening many peoples eyes towards what they have been nonsensically spending money on.

ouch

Fulg0reSama · #24 02-22-2011, 02:50 AM

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The issue isn't that allowing PC players would create more lag, it's that PC players would be at a huge advantage over iPhone players as they'd be alot less susceptible to suffering from it.

Incorrect if we allow them to use bluetooth connection; Of course its not the most first thought of but it still proves that you are incorrect. I've heard statements like "Oh PCs can see further so they get an advantage." and I paraphrase what Nullify said and say How? Do we get an advantage by being able to see what about 30 people are talking about that no one cares about? No we don't. We all run at the same 20 FPS.

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Besides, I think the real "problem" is that combining the 2 communities risks opening many peoples eyes towards what they have been nonsensically spending money on.

This is more plausible than the first statement so I agree.

ffcmike · #25 02-22-2011, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Incorrect if we allow them to use bluetooth connection;

The lag issue is not so much down to latency, it's down to computer speed.

Fulg0reSama · #26 02-22-2011, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

The lag issue is not so much down to latency, it's down to computer speed.

Elaborate a little more so I know which angle you are coming from.

Demisis_P2P · #27 02-22-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKan

Okay, so Stefan, whatchya waiting for?

It's Unixmad's decision, he's the business owner.
Unixmad is also allergic to success.

nullify · #28 02-22-2011, 09:14 AM

achoo

Dnegel · #29 02-22-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Unixmad is also allergic to success.

Sig'd

papajchris · #30 02-25-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Incorrect if we allow them to use bluetooth connection; Of course its not the most first thought of but it still proves that you are incorrect. I've heard statements like "Oh PCs can see further so they get an advantage." and I paraphrase what Nullify said and say How? Do we get an advantage by being able to see what about 30 people are talking about that no one cares about? No we don't. We all run at the same 20 FPS.

Incorrect. As someone who worked on an iphone server you DO see more. You see the entire level your in essentially, where as you only see a few inches on the iphone. it DOES make a difference. When i walk into bases on the pc, no one knows that ive walked in as they can't see me because they are in the back of the level. So i can i simply maneuver around them easily. Sometimes people would ask me to raid them and i can kill everyone with a ak47.

The screen size, while an issue, shouldn't be a reason to not allow it. The same could be said about people who play xbox on a 15 inch or a 60 inch. But the skill required when fighting an iphone player isn't much.... Now if we allow them to use a keyboard and mouse through blue tooth, then its about an even plying field.

MattKan · #31 02-26-2011, 02:37 AM

If the iPhone staff really didn't want bigger screen sizes on the server, than they would not have released the iPad app.

There really isn't that big of an issue with playing on PC, on the other hand, and I cannot say why it isn't done. The better movement is NOT that big of a deal.

skillmaster19 · #32 02-26-2011, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MattKan

If the iPhone staff really didn't want bigger screen sizes on the server, than they would not have released the iPad app.

There really isn't that big of an issue with playing on PC, on the other hand, and I cannot say why it isn't done. The better movement is NOT that big of a deal.

Why would anyone want to play classic iPhone on PC anyway? Its a terrible server and if you already have a gold subscription why not just play a better server?

MattKan · #33 02-26-2011, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Why would anyone want to play classic iPhone on PC anyway? Its a terrible server and if you already have a gold subscription why not just play a better server?

go away

fowlplay4 · #34 02-26-2011, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by skillmaster19

Why would anyone want to play classic iPhone on PC anyway? Its a terrible server and if you already have a gold subscription why not just play a better server?

Player count makes people do crazy things.

Masa · #35 02-26-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

The lag issue is not so much down to latency, it's down to computer speed.

Yes, the real advantage is computer speed.
iPhone 4g clocks at 1GHz and has 512MB onboard RAM
The iPod Touch 4g, while having the same A4 chip, has a mere 256MB RAM
I have an iPod Touch 3g, and the gameplay makes these limitations apparent.

Let's compare those specs to any computer produced after, let's say, 2003?
Now, I don't know if mobile specs are the same as PC specs, but there certainly is an advantage on the computer's part. A computer's hardware capabilities can easily dwarf that of an iPhone, even for years to come. They have to compromise for such things as battery life, size, etc. that computers are careless to consider.

I would love to see the PC and iPhone communities intermingling, but there are advantages to consider.
The same could be said about people with bad, laggy PC's versus those with good, fast PC's but the fact that it is based(and optimized) with the iPod/iPhone players in mind would be a disservice to put them at such a disadvantage.

I believe that's what Thor was saying.

Screen size is an advantage as well, which is why I wouldn't play Era iPhone on anything other than an iPad(or computer).
Not only are there the advantages as Papajchris stated, with base raiding, but also being able to see the bullets coming at you from across the level, you have much more time to respond than someone viewing from an iPhone screen.

I am game for the keyboard compatibility. Now that is one sweet idea.

ffcmike · #36 02-26-2011, 09:03 AM

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go away

skillmaster19 raises a legitimate point, obviously the main reason it would seem so appealing is down to the sheer huge playercount not any other server even comes close to, but you do have to consider whether this truly would be enough to keep PC players entertained or if they'd feel that at best they'd only be doing the exact same things they're doing on PC servers anyway, or perhaps whether they would even like mingling with a community that has a much lower average age where you hear from people claiming to have been jailed for calling Xor a jerk on facebook or something.

What I was hinting at before however was that any decision Stefan makes regarding this will most likely revolve around the possible effects it would have on iPhone players, who are not only the vast majority and so the main thing that seems appealing to PC players in the first place, but seem to be a quick and easy method of income.

If the 2 communities merged would there not be a possibility that it will become common knowledge among most iPhone players that the items they are buying are largely things that are obtainable on PC servers without having to pay?

Likewise if more iPhone players were to discover that there was a larger range of content on PC servers would they continue to find the concept of character customisation as appealing?

DustyPorViva · #37 02-26-2011, 09:07 AM

Has Graal ever been anything other than a social game?

ffcmike · #38 02-26-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Has Graal ever been anything other than a social game?

Has there ever been a unanimous positive feeling that Graal is a decent fun game that anybody can genuinely enjoy which is moving forward and not going downhill?

Ofcourse Graal has predominantly been a social game throughout its existance, and albeit while there are many contributing factors, how many people are satisfied with the end product?

DustyPorViva · #39 02-26-2011, 09:17 AM

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how many people are satisfied with the end product?

A lot of iPhone players?

ffcmike · #40 02-26-2011, 09:24 AM

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A lot of iPhone players?

I wasn't referring to iPhone as it's an entirely different environment to PC Graal that is yet to experience the same factors PC Graal has over the last decade, but there does seem to be alot of iPhone players that have completely migrated to PC Graal and happen to feel the way about it I am suggesting.