Events Team Cadets

[Rufus]

They've been cadets for 5 weeks now, why?

[Crono]

obv not trained enough!!

[Fulg0reSama]

Inactive Chief, Incapable of proving of being anything higher then the rest which would cause questionable leadership if not taken care of on both the higher ETs/ET Chief.

There's a lot of reasons probably but those are the most common.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Inactive Chief, Incapable of proving of being anything higher then the rest which would cause questionable leadership if not taken care of on both the higher ETs/ET Chief.

There's a lot of reasons probably but those are the most common.

There is no Events Team Administrator, but that doesn't mean the Events Team are incapable of being promoted. Obviously when there isn't an Events Team Administrator (or anyone suited to the position) someone like a Manager of PR Administrator would step in and look over the team. It has been 5 weeks now though, and I don't think people realize how inconvenient it is to host events with half the tools an Events Team member is supposed to have.

[codecub]

why do you even need to train somebody to host events its easy

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Rufus

There is no Events Team Administrator, but that doesn't mean the Events Team are incapable of being promoted. Obviously when there isn't an Events Team Administrator (or anyone suited to the position) someone like a Manager of PR Administrator would step in and look over the team. It has been 5 weeks now though, and I don't think people realize how inconvenient it is to host events with half the tools an Events Team member is supposed to have.

Okay then obviously then maybe its time for a form of evaluation? I can host events without a god damn tool so I kind of find your "Inconvenience" point to be moot, Unless you mean like information on how to host then clearly they need to be taught more thoroughly tbh I'm not quite catching what you mean by that regardless.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Okay then obviously then maybe its time for a form of evaluation?

Well yeah?

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I can host events without a god damn tool so I kind of find your "Inconvenience" point to be moot, Unless you mean like information on how to host then clearly they need to be taught more thoroughly tbh I'm not quite catching what you mean by that regardless.

I never said that events couldn't be hosted without the tools an Events Team member is supposed to have, as they clearly can and are being hosted without them. What I did say was that I don't think people realize how inconvenient it is to host events with half the tools an Events Team member is supposed to have, because it is inconvenient. When such basic tools exist for the sole purpose of making a member of staff's job easier, to aid in someone actually doing their job on the server, those members of staff should have those tools made available to them.

If the staff who are supposed to be looking after this team had to do the same job under the same conditions I'm pretty certain they would become readily available as soon as possible. There is clearly no empathy here, and yes, it is relevant to the fact that they are simply being ignored.

[Fulg0reSama]

Okay, now of course there's no empathy here at the GraalOnline forums; Not really a good place to choose considering this is a mix of over a decade of server's communities of old and new... You may wanna stick to the UN's forums and actually be active on the problem to get things fixed.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Okay, now of course there's no empathy here at the GraalOnline forums; Not really a good place to choose considering this is a mix of over a decade of server's communities of old and new... You may wanna stick to the UN's forums and actually be active on the problem to get things fixed.

Nope.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I can host events without a god damn tool so I kind of find your "Inconvenience" point to be moot

Tools are kinda handy...like one that actually lets you draw players to you to actually do the event! One that kets you kick and such! I don't like to warp 40 people via RC =[

o wait thats a tool

[MysticX2X]

This is a question to ask the manager!

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Tools are kinda handy...like one that actually lets you draw players to you to actually do the event! One that kets you kick and such! I don't like to warp 40 people via RC =[

o wait thats a tool

Don't confuse scripts with tools entirely you silly goose!

[Mark Sir Link]

I think the underlying point here is that the expectation was that after Rufus' departure from ET Admin (over a month ago), the management would have either stepped up to fill that role themselves or found a replacement. Clearly neither has happened since the same ETs that were hired on Jan 9th are still cadets. This is just another show of negligence from a Manager who is somehow able to convince people he is doing a great job with UN with empty words and telling people what they want to hear.


Obviously they don't need to have access to things like warpto, Incognito, Ice, and access to the ET Donation Box but I sure think having access to those things would make for a better environment.

[DustyPorViva]

There was one ET cadet that I liked, she was nice and actually listened/hosted frequently. I forget who she was though

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

There was one ET cadet that I liked, she was nice and actually listened/hosted frequently. I forget who she was though

shoulda put a ring on it.

[Starfire2001]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

You may wanna stick to the UN's forums and actually be active on the problem to get things fixed.

Been trying that for the last two weeks. I keep saying this over and over again but I'll put it here too.

1) I talk to pretty much all active ETs we have left, and its pretty clear that no one from management is giving them any sort of direction or paying any attention to how much/how well they host. Because of all of this several of them just don't bother hosting anymore. There were four different "official" tournament schedules released by different ETs attempting to take charge of the situation. There are people on the team at the moment who I have legitimately not seen host once in the past month who have not been removed, including one full ET who actually has rights and stuff.
2) The ETs that are actually still trying are carrying the team, hosting 100 + events a week, they are going to get sick of it pretty fast at that rate, and we are going to be left with no active ETs again.
3) There is no reason to wait any longer on this. We need an ETA so the tournaments on the schedule actually get hosted, and et members actually feel like they have to do their job or get fired. If not one of the current team members, somebody from management has to do it. And make the cadets that deserve it full already.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

There was one ET cadet that I liked, she was nice and actually listened/hosted frequently. I forget who she was though

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

Tomorrow that image is gonna change and all context of your post is gonna be lost.

[MysticX2X]

I don't care whoever is ETA, as long as it's not Drizzy...

[taylor]

I feel why the current ET's are doing such an overly rate of hosting is because they're trying to "showboat" or prove that they can handle the job as an ETA... yet they're gonna be in an utter disappoint when they don't receive that position. SO STOP TRYING TO EYE CANDY ALL THE ADMINS YOU ET'S THAT ARE MAKING EP GO TO NOTHING IN VALUE!

[Mark Sir Link]

if you have some other form of entertainment for the players of UN besides events, I'd love to hear it.

For a server that's built entirely around events and socializing it makes sense that the reward from the events becomes inflated.

[Mark Sir Link]

I'm really not a fan at how the management is taking advantage of the current ET Cadets who all are operating under the belief they have a legitimate shot at becoming ET Admin. Based on what some of the ETs are actually saying, several of them have been approached by the management as possible candidates for the ET Admin job.

Not the best way to foster a cooperative attitude in the team that's supposed to be providing entertainment for the players.

Can the management please actually try managing for once instead of just trying to take advantage of everybody wherever they can? Either pick an ET Admin or abolish the position and actually step in and fill the role yourself. The current set up is an embarrassment and I'm amazed having the staff this disorganized is possibly allowed on a Classic Tab server.

I guess I'm amazed at just about everything the PWA has allowed this management team to do, though.

[LordSquirt]

perfection takes time

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

perfection takes time

If perfection takes over a decade; you're doing it wrong.

@Mark I like how you say "Management Team". This **** is like the Obama Administration to me; they have Absolute_Crono being the figurehead whilst the team is doing any work and they still manage to mess up.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

If perfection takes over a decade; you're doing it wrong.

@Mark I like how you say "Management Team". This **** is like the Obama Administration to me; they have Absolute_Crono being the figurehead whilst the team is doing any work and they still manage to mess up.

when I say Management Team I'm referring to the collective of Absolute_Crono, Streety, and Vicious.

I don't have anything personal against these guys but I don't appreciate when people who can't be bothered or don't care feel it's acceptable to prevent people who can be bothered or do care from making progress.

I've seen this happen before with Classic and Master Storm and I sort of thought that possibly the PWA had seen the very same thing since they were the ones who came up with whatever dual-management scheme was implemented but I guess this sort of situation is somehow brand new to them

As much as I appreciate Streety's efforts to create and share content that has nothing to do with the server, I don't think it's doing very much to help the server in the long run, believe it or not.

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

If perfection takes over a decade; you're doing it wrong.

@Mark I like how you say "Management Team". This **** is like the Obama Administration to me; they have Absolute_Crono being the figurehead whilst the team is doing any work and they still manage to mess up.

who are you?!?!?!

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

who are you?!?!?!

Could say the same to you buckethead.

[Hiro]

and who would you suggest take over ETA? who is actually qualified to perform that job adequately? certainty not anyone on the current ET team, with a few exceptions. except those exceptions have turned down the position

[cbk1994]

u guys mad?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Hiro

except those exceptions have turned down the position

I wonder why exactly...

It's the most underdog position you can possibly hold no matter the "glory" or "light" the community holds it up to. I know this from pure experience.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Hiro

and who would you suggest take over ETA?

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Either pick an ET Admin or abolish the position and actually step in and fill the role yourself.

was this unclear or something?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

was this unclear or something?

it appears to be unclear to you. i was asking, to the general forum public, who they would pick for ETA on UN. i had already read that you think someone from another department of staff should take over the role if they have no suggestions themselves - that's fine - i would still like to hear whom people would think would be suitable for the job out of the current ET staff. i'm sure it's hard to come up with a suggestion, but now that my question is clearly stated to you, i'm sure you can get down to work on it

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Hiro

it appears to be unclear to you. i was asking, to the general forum public, who they would pick for ETA on UN. i had already read that you think someone from another department of staff should take over the role if they have no suggestions themselves - that's fine - i would still like to hear whom people would think would be suitable for the job out of the current ET staff. i'm sure it's hard to come up with a suggestion, but now that my question is clearly stated to you, i'm sure you can get down to work on it

"You" is usually directed at one person, no?

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Either pick an ET Admin or abolish the position and actually step in and fill the role yourself.

I'm not sure how the burden of finding a suitable staff member is somehow my job.

I'm quite certain that it is the job of the management though, and they have yet to do so.

You suggest there is no one capable/willing of filling the role which I severely doubt to begin with, but in that case, the part where I said "abolish the position and actually step in and fill the role yourself" applies nicely.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

"You" is usually directed at one person, no?



I'm not sure how the burden of finding a suitable staff member is somehow my job.

I'm quite certain that it is the job of the management though, and they have yet to do so.

You suggest there is no one capable/willing of filling the role which I severely doubt to begin with, but in that case, the part where I said "abolish the position and actually step in and fill the role yourself" applies nicely.

so basically you have no idea who would be suitable to take over the role, but you want someone to do it? regardless of whether or not it's management's decision (which it is) is it hameful in some way to ask player's opinions on, as you've pointed out, such a crucial part of the server's gameplay?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Hiro

so basically you have no idea who would be suitable to take over the role

I have plenty ideas of who is suitable to fill the role, but again, this is not my responsibility.

but you want someone to do it? regardless of whether or not it's management's decision (which it is) is it hameful in some way to ask player's opinions on, as you've pointed out, such a crucial part of the server's gameplay?

It's not harmful if it's the management actually doing it.

Yes, I want someone to fill the role of managing staff members rather than allowing them to run around doing what they please unchecked. I don't understand what's so confusing to you about this.

[Fulg0reSama]

From what I can understand this is what I'm reading:

Hiro: Your patterns with how you are speaking implies that there's someone going to replace already or as if the problem is not even here; care to explain?

Mark Sir Link: Bro you already stated the solution; Abolish the position, have someone (Honestly anyone at this point) watch as the "Event's Team Moderator" or something and he or she would keep an eye for a character worthy of raising in rank. It's definitely not the best option for you guys considering your "horrendous biases" to worry about.

[Crono1508]

i dont think anyone cares anymore

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I have plenty ideas of who is suitable to fill the role, but again, this is not my responsibility.

It's not harmful if it's the management actually doing it.

Yes, I want someone to fill the role of managing staff members rather than allowing them to run around doing what they please unchecked. I don't understand what's so confusing to you about this.

just because it's not your responsibility does not mean you cannot make a suggestion, which is all i asked for. you don't seem willing to post on whom you think should be ETA, you only wish to ***** about management not picking one; fine, whatever.

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

From what I can understand this is what I'm reading:

Hiro: Your patterns with how you are speaking implies that there's someone going to replace already or as if the problem is not even here; care to explain?

the problem is there - having no ETA lets the ET team run wild, as already there have been problems, such as a ET cadet paying players on the side to ensure that they take out certain players so they never win. that is obviously unfair, and should be taken care of by the ETA, except we have no ETA

so what is the reason for there being no ETA? because no one on the current events team is qualified to really perform that job adequately, and those who are have turned the job down. the solution to this problem is not just to give it to someone, that would just make more problems in the long run. it would be interesting to have the position taken down in the short-run to be run by a different department, but i don't think this is the direction management wants to take - they'd much rather find a suitable ETA once one appears and is willing to perform the job; that someone just hasn't been presented or discovered yet, according to management

[Rufus]

Enthralling conversation, but this has very little to do with the fact that the ET's are still cadets after 5 whole weeks.

[WaDaFack]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

perfection takes time

"perfection takes time"
"practice makes perfect"

but.. but.. no one is perfect!
No but seriously, just make the ET Cadets full so it can give you guys more time to think about who is suitable for ETA >.> If the cadets have to wait another month, I'm pretty sure Cron/Streety/Vicious will have to just hire another bundle of ET Cadets after the current ones quit.
Anyways, who cares about the Events Team. How about our non-existant LAT team?