Pricing Changes - Why wait for v6?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

No one is trying to change the price to fix any problems. We just want to get rid of the ****ty subscriptions. That's a HUGE ****ING PROBLEM in itself. Worry about the other stuff later.

Originally Posted by Stephen

It would be a terrible shame if Graal changed their payment system, attracted a bunch of new players, and then permanently lost the interest of a greater majority due to content stagnation.

This is a real threat.

Originally Posted by MattKan

Not really sure how to explain it, but we all need to team up and rebuild Graal. Those of us who have been posting on the forums about this need to get together and try and find ways to put Graal back together.

If they officially implement an incentive program on a specific server the developers will follow - it is the administration which needs to answer the call to action. The members of this community have done enough.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

This is a real threat.

It's ALWAYS been a threat. But like I said, a more active playerbase will be a better incentive to develop. Right now most servers are stuck with the same small playerbase, most of them a bunch of ungrateful, selfish ****s who don't appreciate anything. I don't blame them for not doing anything.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Either way **** isn't going to get done when you're relying on people doing stuff for fun and hoping they do the work for you. Especially when we have to pay to do their work for them.

Originally Posted by Stephen

it is the administration which needs to answer the call to action. The members of this community have done enough.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Right now most servers are stuck with the same small playerbase, most of them a bunch of ungrateful, selfish ****s who don't appreciate anything. I don't blame them for not doing anything.

Originally Posted by Stephen

If they officially implement an incentive program on a specific server the developers will follow

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Fine, with your idea I guess we'll be ****ing stuck with gold subscriptions for the next decade, or if things go WELL the next few years. Totally in-line with what this thread is about.

We want to get rid of the ****TY SUBSCRIPTION SYSTEM. Waiting around for a quality server, by players or even by the administration is just going to take forever. It's counterintuitive. Yes, it would be GOOD to have a nice server, but right now I don't care about that, I care about getting rid of the crappy system that we've been dealing with for years.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Fine, with your idea I guess we'll be ****ing stuck with gold subscriptions for the next decade, or if things go WELL the next few years. Totally in-line with what this thread is about.

Originally Posted by Stephen

It has been explained to me that there will no longer be subscription levels. This leads me to believe that it will be entirely microtransaction based, which certainly makes the most sense. I'm all for the idea, but the product cannot remain viable if the content stagnates - which is exactly what would happen if only pricing is changed.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

But a larger playerbase WOULD be an incentive, hence my post you quoted. Are you not getting this?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

But a larger playerbase WOULD be an incentive, hence my post you quoted. Are you not getting this?

The banks of America have made a lot of mistakes, they're cruel and ruthless. But they always had one thing right...

Money is a great incentive. Better than a happy feeling and lasts a lot longer too. This is business.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The banks of America have made a lot of mistakes, they're cruel and ruthless. But they always had one thing right...

Money is a great incentive. Better than a happy feeling and lasts a lot longer too.

Yet for the last... nearly 10 years people have been paying them to make stuff for them. I'm not saying this is good, but to say that suddenly developers need to start being paid is stupid. Maybe for Gold servers, maybe, but the percentage they'd get after being distributed through staff would be minimal, at best. I can't say I'd be motivated by money.

However like I said, some people actually enjoy making stuff, but with a small ungrateful playerbase of the same players for the last 10 years it gets dull. For a long time developers of Graal were motivated by a playerbase that simply appreciated their work and commitment to their servers. To see players happy to get something was incentive enough.

Also, thinking that Stefan is going to suddenly remove the need for players to pay, to doing a 180 and PAYING the developers is unrealistic. BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT. Subscriptions sucking is what is important. If Stefan wants to gather a team of hand-picked developers to pay them to make a worthwhile server, then fine, whatever. That'd be great. But it should not delay this suggestion because subscriptions need to go now.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Stephen

If they officially implement an incentive program on a specific server the developers will follow - it is the administration which needs to answer the call to action. The members of this community have done enough.

This "It has been said, therefore it will happen" logic is flawed and idiotic.
I'm gonna leave you guys up to discussing it I've said all I can really say without overstepping my ground.