Classic Graal for iPhone

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Crono

Why doesn't the iPhone 4 make full use of its higher resolution? Just wondering...

The player would probably be far too small to see if Graal was running at 326 dpi.

[DustyPorViva]

Wouldn't it take a lot more graphical power to run something at that resolution?

[Admins]

Classic/Era don't use retina display because it's about pixel graphics and it wouldn't improve the display (except you display everything at mini size but then you wouldn't be able to play normally). Only the menus and map would look a little bit better. On the other hand higher resolution is slowing it down, so we are currently not using it for Classic and Era.

[Crono]

Oh ok. I figured a small increase would be neat but I guess it's too much trouble and not worth it. :]

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Crono

Oh ok. I figured a small increase would be neat but I guess it's too much trouble and not worth it. :]

I think there are other places that could use the improvement more, lol.

In the graphics department though, it'd be nice to see a removal of the 20fps cap, as that is particularly noticeable when you play Graal. Even a small increase would do it I think.

[Crono]

ya but thats just general graal

im just talkin iphone 4 specific since i was running around and noticed the viewing distance is so tiny

[fowlplay4]

Graal iPhone should probably implement Facetime if possible, it would be revolutionary to the Graal social world.

[Crono]

u need to add me on classic iphone that would be revolutionary, jerk

[fowlplay4]

ok i will i sware

[Matt]

So guys, i just got into NY to visit family, and it turns out my mom has an iPhone now (Which i think is funny fyi). I started playing Classic iPhone but was wondering is there anyway to associate my current account with it?

I'm really not going to even bother if it's not a possibility so i just wanted to know.

[redsoxsrule424]

Originally Posted by Matt

So guys, i just got into NY to visit family, and it turns out my mom has an iPhone now (Which i think is funny fyi). I started playing Classic iPhone but was wondering is there anyway to associate my current account with it?

I'm really not going to even bother if it's not a possibility so i just wanted to know.

I don't think its possible unfortunately.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Graal iPhone should probably implement Facetime if possible, it would be revolutionary to the Graal social world.

I don't think the Graal iPhone noobs (you know what they like to do) and Facetime would be very good- The app would bump up to 18+ years old only

[Gigaboy]

classic iphone iz boring though

[zenthor]

Originally Posted by Gigaboy

classic iphone iz boring though

>:OO you made iphone cry

[oo_jazz_oo]

How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

[RegretZ]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

You can't do that on iPhone for some reason. It just doesn't work. It has a different system though I think.

[JesusFreak250]

they use V6 i think which I think is the same as iphone...

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

You probably have multitasking enabled, and Graal iPhone doesn't like that. That's why I turned it off on both apps

[redsoxsrule424]

Originally Posted by JesusFreak250

they use V6 i think which I think is the same as iphone...

Yeah, iPhone uses a modified version of the v6 client according to Stefan.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by MattKan

You probably have multitasking enabled, and Graal iPhone doesn't like that. That's why I turned it off on both apps

...?

I said computer.

[PowerProNL]

Why not making it open for public, so computer + iPhone can play it, would be more cooler

and for Era iPhone a special subscription or something of 2 euros per year :O so you can enter it

[Bubble13]

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

I think it's instant.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by PowerProNL

Why not making it open for public, so computer + iPhone can play it, would be more cooler

This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by Skyld

This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Well, I think that the thinking should be done so this can happen

[Zeross]

Originally Posted by Skyld

This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Woah, making us both on same server?
That'd be awesome. Wow.

[oo_jazz_oo]

Ive been on an iPhone server from the client.

Some random day when the iphone server first opened, I decided to try logging in on the client, and it didn't disconnect me. I messaged a few friends to come play on there...

We all got accused of hacking because we could pause and not get slashed...good times.

[DemonSpawnn]

Originally Posted by Skyld

This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Cards.

[Fulg0reSama]

Personally I'm not so sure about hardware advantage anymore like Skyld said. PC players will probably get slowed to **** by the 100s of players in levels at a time.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Personally I'm not so sure about hardware advantage anymore like Skyld said. PC players will probably get slowed to **** by the 100s of players in levels at a time.

But an iPhone will get slowed to **** much worse. Also, it's not all about the hardware quality but about the fact that a keyboard > touchscreen. Always. Also, players have much higher resolutions, being able to see much farther.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

But an iPhone will get slowed to **** much worse. Also, it's not all about the hardware quality but about the fact that a keyboard > touchscreen. Always. Also, players have much higher resolutions, being able to see much farther.

This seems rather situational but the PC is also liable to a major slowdown.
I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?
Why don't we just ditch joypad functionality all together because ya know configured correctly joypad > keyboard because we have more convenience and its unfair for other PC users? Scripts can easily even the playing field if done correctly too.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

This seems rather situational but the PC is also liable to a major slowdown.
I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?
Why don't we just ditch joypad functionality all together because ya know configured correctly joypad > keyboard because we have more convenience and its unfair for other PC users? Scripts can easily even the playing field if done correctly too.

The PC is liable to slowdown as well, but the iPhone runs on like... I think 300mhz CPU? If you put a PC player and an iPhone player in a level with 100 other players, take a guess as to who it's going to hurt the worst.

Also, a keyboard vs a joypad is not comparible to an iPhone controls to a keyboard. Play any game on the iPhone and you'll see exactly what I mean.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The PC is liable to slowdown as well, but the iPhone runs on like... I think 300mhz CPU? If you put a PC player and an iPhone player in a level with 100 other players, take a guess as to who it's going to hurt the worst.

Also, a keyboard vs a joypad is not comparible to an iPhone controls to a keyboard. Play any game on the iPhone and you'll see exactly what I mean.

Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?

Does it need to do anything else? That's a pretty big advantage, at least on gun servers, lol.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

I'm looking forward to the next generation of phones with a MOS 6502 processor in them

[Rufus]

iPads have a higher resolution but they're allowed to play alongside iPod users. In fact, the iPad probably uses a bigger screen than I do for Graal on my PC.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

Optimized, maybe, but still not THAT optimized. For example, iPhone servers can hardly have any clientside looping at all because the CPU's can't handle it. GPU and CPU are totally different. The iPhone can handle some powerful graphic output, but that means squat when it comes to processing data, and that's where the PC trumps the iPhone.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Rufus

iPads have a higher resolution but they're allowed to play alongside iPod users. In fact, the iPad probably uses a bigger screen than I do for Graal on my PC.

Graal runs on a lower resolution tho, I think?

[Raelyn]

Is there a way to log on your graal gold account with the ipad, or is this wishful thinking?

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by Raelyn

Is there a way to log on your graal gold account with the ipad, or is this wishful thinking?

No there isn't.