My Unholy Nation Experience - Page 6

Fulg0reSama · #**201** 10-26-2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBear3

Shouldn't this be better than a formal complaint?

It would be if anyone gave a damn to read it.

kia345 · #**202** 10-26-2010, 03:17 AM

UN's classy forums are the only ones that matter, these ones are for nerds with no lives, right Warhawk?

SwimChao · #**203** 10-26-2010, 05:04 AM

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

Fulg0reSama · #**204** 10-26-2010, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

I understand what you're saying Streety. We're all from different parts of this game, We're definitely not all one big family so it's bound to come to bickering when there's nothing left that's necessary to say in a topic like this

SwimChao · #**205** 10-26-2010, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I understand what you're saying Streety. We're all from different parts of this game, We're definitely not all one big family so it's bound to come to bickering when there's nothing left that's necessary to say in a topic like this

It's just a little disheartening for people who actually are trying to do something. You guys are effectively doing the same thing that was done to you, in essence, by dragging this topic on.

On a side note: You can no longer be a zombie on ET center, Events, or spar.

xnervNATx · #**206** 10-26-2010, 05:25 AM

same town..same hats..same halloween events, no wonder the playercount is going down

SwimChao · #**207** 10-26-2010, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

same town..same hats..same halloween events, no wonder the playercount is going down

Same events? Same hats?

The only recurring thing is the theme of the town, and the Halloween shop where you can buy items from past years. Greatly confused by your comment.

Couldn't you at least make sense and prod at how annoying the flashbang is?

Mark Sir Link · #**208** 10-26-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

lol, so you agreed with it until I critiqued some things you had a hand in? No need to confirm/deny, your neg rep does the job well enough.

SwimChao · #**209** 10-26-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

lol, so you agreed with it until I critiqued some things you had a hand in?

No, note I haven't made a post in this topic for a long time.

I agreed with the underlying point of the topic. I disagree with you acting like a toddler

crying about every tiny thing, and trying to use it as leverage to get your way.

You're just being a jackass.

PS. Fairly certain I haven't given you any reputation points at all. I did rep down nervnat though.

Mark Sir Link · #**210** 10-26-2010, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

No, note I haven't made a post in this topic for a long time.

I agreed with the underlying point of the topic. I disagree with you acting like a toddler

crying about every tiny thing, and trying to use it as leverage to get your way.

You're just being a jackass.

I'm inclined to believe this since you neg repped me for a post critical of your work, and felt the need to post here and even harass me on player about it.

Are you trying to tell me that your releases were well thought out or planned? Players are still walking on walls and moving backwards as zombies, and obviously no consideration was placed on what these changes might do to Town Center Spar or Events.

I don't know why you are taking it so personally, but I do find it sort of like "acting like a toddler". I know there are many people with a critical eye who are willing to test out abstract details of stuff people are working on, because I ran nearly everything I made by them and had them work on it. I also asked for players to beta test things constantly before release, and as a result, was able to avoid any sort of major game stoppage like this.

You may try to justify what you did as "releasing something to the players" but it feels rushed and not worked very hard on, especially when when they are as game breaking as some of these updates were.

I can't prove it was you, but I know the administrators here have been willing to reveal who left negative rep that is considered rude in the past.

SwimChao · #**211** 10-26-2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'm inclined to believe this since you neg repped me for a post critical of your work, and felt the need to post here and even harass me on player about it.

Are you trying to tell me that your releases were well thought out or planned? Players are still walking on walls and moving backwards as zombies, and obviously no consideration was placed on what these changes might do to Town Center Spar or Events.

I don't know why you are taking it so personally, but I do find it sort of like "acting like a toddler". I know there are many people with a critical eye who are willing to test out abstract details of stuff people are working on, because I ran nearly everything I made by them and had them work on it. I also asked for players to beta test things constantly before release, and as a result, was able to avoid any sort of major game stoppage like this.

You may try to justify what you did as "releasing something to the players" but it feels rushed and not worked very hard on, especially when when they are as game breaking as some of these updates were.

Then you can believe that, and I'll give you the negative rep tomorrow to fill the hole.

I never one time argued the facts that there were bugs with the systems. Went about fixing them as best as I could immediately after reading the post, too.

I could sit here and try to poke the verbal knife at you personally too, but none of this has anything to do with what I said.

You're being a jackass in the way you're complaining and crying about everything and trying to use it to your advantage. Like I said, I agreed with the beginning of this topic. Now all I get out of this is a lot of

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That's up to administrators to reveal who negative repped you. But it certainly wasn't me. I'm starting to want to, though.

PS. The BOOnades have also been nerfed down a bit.

Mark Sir Link · #**212** 10-26-2010, 06:14 AM

I'm not sure why you're trying to discredit me by calling my posts offensive and saying I'm crying. I would think that's something you get used to after awhile on Graal, since players seem to take issue with just about every update, no?

Hell, I know from experience that players will even frown upon an update widely considered to be useful/good for some personal reason. Snoop413 asked for an option to hide the forum options from what I can only assume was some sort of personal vendetta, considering according to his player flags, he began to use some of the provided options.

However, I don't know why you think I'm making this personal. Every issue I have noted in this thread is entirely legitimate. We're both quite aware that the zombie infection allows players to walk on walls and until just recently allowed disruption in events and spars. We both know that the flashbang NPC is potentially life threatening to any players who might have epilepsy.

These events have passed and I hope will be a good learning point for the people involved in their creation and release and will prevent similar things from happening again, but if no one had brought these issues up, would anyone have learned from these mistakes?

EDIT: And I just saw a message saying that purchasing of protection for the flashbangs has been refunded and this coverage is now included for free, and I appreciate that change very much. However, the wording left me confused as to whether or not it was free for all players or only those who had spent 10 EP on the original protection, because I firmly believe that with an effect like this, all players should have immunity to it for free and that the ability to turn it off should be much more advertised.

SwimChao · #**213** 10-26-2010, 06:23 AM

To be honest, I appreciate that you brought them up. I'll admit, even though I said I wasn't through PMs, I was a little bit offended. Only because I was actually trying to put something out for the holiday, regardless of how tiny it was. That's no excuse for incompetence, and I should have definitely considered the bugs in the zombie infection.

It was even a little unjust of me to pick at your tone, because that's something not easily defined through text.

Here are a list of things Jazz and I changed tonight:
• Made it so people can't be zombies in ET Center, Spar and Events levels

• Fixed a bug in regards to Zombies customized speed conflicting with the speed adjustment when under a bush.

• Nerfed the flashbang weapon significantly

• Refunded players for the protection from "BOOnades" and made it a free feature in the protection weapon

Not everything can be covered in closed testing. Sometimes it takes the community to find the bugs that are going to be exploited.

kia345 · #**214** 10-26-2010, 06:26 AM

Can zombies still walk through walls if they're going backwards and grabbing?

Because I totally wrecked Oasa's win with that.

Imperialistic · #**215** 10-26-2010, 06:27 AM

Kev, no offense; Streety and who ever else helped the construction of this years Halloween festival obviously attempted to entertain the players. It isn't the best, no. But there is only so much you can do, with limitations. I found a dislike in the quest, and I PMed Streety about it personally, and told him what I thought, probably because it was the best way to handle things.

Why is there a need to bring this to the public eye and contributing to it as if it was a humiliation attempt?

Mark Sir Link · #**216** 10-26-2010, 06:55 AM

I never mentioned anyone by name until someone decided to attack me.

SwimChao · #**217** 10-26-2010, 06:57 AM

Just another note, I had no idea the weapon had been changed to infect players with the zombie infection.

That was also removed because that's absolutely ridiculous to add to a player weapon, let alone one that (at the time) flashes a player's entire screen white.

I cannot be held accountable if it is changed back, though.

snoop413 · #**218** 10-26-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Snoop413 asked for an option to hide the forum options from what I can only assume was some sort of personal vendetta, considering according to his player flags, he began to use some of the provided options.

whaa? i joke around a lot with people but i never held anything personal against you, or anyone from graal for that matter. you were one of the few dev's on UN who did something on a regular basis.

Absolut_Crono · #**219** 10-26-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

Just another note, I had no idea the weapon had been changed to infect players with the zombie infection.

That was also removed because that's absolutely ridiculous to add to a player weapon, let alone one that (at the time) flashes a player's entire screen white.

I cannot be held accountable if it is changed back, though.

It was SUPPOSED to nullify the zombie infection as far as I know. Don't know if Luca changed it at some point though.

LordSquirt · #**220** 10-26-2010, 10:38 AM

i bet that was chris vimes who neg repped you

Absolut_Crono · #**221** 10-26-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

apparently UN's management is now attempting to demonize me or something since out of the blue I am being harassed by their pals about what they've been "told by crono, luca, and khyber"

they should do a better job though and not tell players **** like "CakeDogs and PresentCats" was an event I made. I mean, come on guys, if you want to make me look like the person who doesn't/didn't do work or only output poor quality work, you could do it much better than that.

No one has spoken to me about you in a long time, with the exception of Mystic and Ben Rain once or twice, so it's not got anything to do with me. Also, I know for a fact you didn't make that event, ee and Gamerkid made it. I dont think it is "poor quality", it is very bright like Robot Unicorn attack (flash game). Either you love it or you hate it really, but no one is forced to play it.

The other Luca stuff really doesn't have much to do with me. BD Chose Luca as Co-Manager, GK as Dev Manager, I stepped into it like that, and have been trying to work out the kinks as best as I can without outright firing Luca so as to not seem biased. I mean, we haven't gotten along for quite some time now, so it would look like bias on my part to fire someone without giving them a chance. I admit though, I had a conversation with a certain member of the PWA that changed my opinion at one point. Just looking forward to good things now!

MysticX2X · #**222** 10-26-2010, 11:14 AM

Good grief that zombie infection in the boonade was removed. Was aggravating me when people kept spamming it in the etcenter.

jorollychu · #**223** 10-26-2010, 11:30 AM

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I had a conversation with a certain member of the PWA that changed my opinion at one point.

wonder who this could have been.

kia345 · #**224** 10-26-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

It was SUPPOSED to nullify the zombie infection as far as I know. Don't know if Luca changed it at some point though.

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

Just another note, I had no idea the weapon had been changed to infect players with the zombie infection.

So is anyone on the same page, or do you just all run your own servers?

xnervNATx · #**225** 10-26-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SwimChao

Same events? Same hats?

The only recurring thing is the theme of the town, and the Halloween shop where you can buy items from past years. Greatly confused by your comment.

Couldn't you at least make sense and prod at how annoying the flashbang is?

8/10 hats from door quiz were already out from last year i do not see anything new in that.

Crono · #**226** 10-26-2010, 01:59 PM

un management a mess

too many people sitting on their thrones, too many people in charge.

fowlplay4 · #**227** 10-26-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

un management a mess

too many people sitting on their thrones, too many people in charge.

I prefer your post in haiku form.

un management mess
too many people sitting on their thrones
too many people in charge

Crono · #**228** 10-26-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I prefer your post in haiku form.

un management mess
too many people sitting on their thrones
too many people in charge

lmao

SlikRick · #**229** 10-26-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

The other Luca stuff really doesn't have much to do with me. BD Chose Luca as Co-Manager, GK as Dev Manager, I stepped into it like that, and have been trying to work out the kinks as best as I can without outright firing Luca so as to not seem biased. I mean, we haven't gotten along for quite some time now, so it would look like bias on my part to fire someone without giving them a chance. I admit though, I had a conversation with a certain member of the PWA that changed my opinion at one point. Just looking forward to good things now!

As a Manager you will always make decisions that some people won't like and will find reasons to criticize you, it comes with the territory. If half of what I have heard about Luca is true then it is doing more damage keeping him then getting rid of him and taking the heat from his friends. Just because somebody was promoted under old Management doesn't mean that they deserve the position or that they have a right to maintain that position. You have to look at the big picture of what is best for the server and community as a whole, not what will benefit some people or keeping certain people off your back because they do not agree with your decisions. There have always been those kinds of people on this game that just find the littlest things wrong with Managers and pick at it because they have nothing better to do, or they like to troll people.

Hiro · #**230** 10-26-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

As a Manager you will always make decisions that some people won't like and will find reasons to criticize you, it comes with the territory. If half of what I have heard about Luca is true then it is doing more damage keeping him then getting rid of him and taking the heat from his friends. Just because somebody was promoted under old Management doesn't mean that they deserve the position or that they have a right to maintain that position. You have to look at the big picture of what is best for the server and community as a whole, not what will benefit some people or keeping certain people off your back because they do not agree with your decisions. There have always been those kinds of people on this game that just find the littlest things wrong with Managers and pick at it because they have nothing better to do, or they like to troll people.

but UN staff has always been about keeping certain people off your back~!

Crono · #**231** 10-27-2010, 08:12 AM

hey crono you should do what slick does and delete all negative opinions LOL

Fulg0reSama · #**232** 10-27-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

hey crono you should do what slick does and delete all negative opinions LOL

That statement was pretty much like kicking a barrel of gunpowder. Hope we don't have a war of the world's here.

Absolut_Crono · #**233** 10-27-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

So is anyone on the same page, or do you just all run your own servers?

I seriously hope this was a troll or a joke post. If you truly believe we should know what every update of every NPC on NC is at every moment in time, either you are too strict, or you are delusional. There is no requirement for Managerial approval for any changes made to an NPC by anyone who has the rights to do so. Even if I were to sit and check the staff activity of every staff member, I would not be able to tell what was changed, and if I knew what was changed and it was updated more than once, I couldnt tell what changed each revision.

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

As a Manager you will always make decisions that some people won't like and will find reasons to criticize you, it comes with the territory. If half of what I have heard about Luca is true then it is doing more damage keeping him then getting rid of him and taking the heat from his friends. Just because somebody was promoted under old Management doesn't mean that they deserve the position or that they have a right to maintain that position. You have to look at the big picture of what is best for the server and community as a whole, not what will benefit some people or keeping certain people off your back because they do not agree with your decisions. There have always been those kinds of people on this game that just find the littlest things wrong with Managers and pick at it because they have nothing better to do, or they like to troll people.

I have a grip on the Luca situation now, but my point was more focused that after I was around long enough as Manager to say "Hey, you arent performing to my expectations. I expect 1, 2, 3 etc." and that did not work, I decided to demote Luca. When I asked for staff opinions on the Dev side, only 2 people disagreed, and disagreed very strongly. Both of these players disagreed for obvious reasons, but one of them made me reconsider the demotion due to lack of a viable replacement were Luca to quit Graal altogether.

Crono · #**234** 10-27-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

That statement was pretty much like kicking a barrel of gunpowder. Hope we don't have a war of the world's here.

what? it's nothing.

kia345 · #**235** 10-27-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

I seriously hope this was a troll or a joke post. If you truly believe we should know what every update of every NPC on NC is at every moment in time, either you are too strict, or you are delusional. There is no requirement for Managerial approval for any changes made to an NPC by anyone who has the rights to do so. Even if I were to sit and check the staff activity of every staff member, I would not be able to tell what was changed, and if I knew what was changed and it was updated more than once, I couldnt tell what changed each revision.

UN's management everybody.

The idea of him knowing what his team does is an irrational thought.

MysticX2X · #**236** 10-27-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

UN's management everybody.

The idea of him knowing what his team does is an irrational thought.

I don't understand why you always try to skew context. You try keeping a tab on the all of the many NPC's on UN that at any time could be updated.

kia345 · #**237** 10-27-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I don't understand why you always try to skew context. You try keeping a tab on the all of the many NPC's on UN that at any time could be updated.

I'm sorry, isn't it part of the manager's job to know who has access to what, and who's changing what? What's going to stop a new Yen from uploading a clone to warp around the server and killing everyone until they link it to a picture of their prepubescent chest?

I didn't "skew" anything - he straight up said it was ridiculous for me to think he could keep a watchful eye on the server he was in charge of.

SlikRick · #**238** 10-27-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

That statement was pretty much like kicking a barrel of gunpowder. Hope we don't have a war of the world's here.

No he's just trolling like he normally does so it's best to just ignore him.

Edit: Cron you need anything you know how to get a hold of me.

DustyPorViva · #**239** 10-27-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

No he's just trolling like he normally does so it's best to just ignore him.

Edit: Cron you need anything you know how to get a hold of me.

What? Negative criticism is always deleted by mods here. It's insanely bad on the Era forums, from what I've seen.

I had always hoped that since playerworld subforums were run by players instead of the forum mods/administration, that they would just let the players have their word whether it was good or bad. Sadly it seems the playerworld mods don't like hearing bad things either. What's gonna happen, UN is gonna lose players because a few players post something bad about it? It never happens. I find censorship much more damaging than negative criticism.

salesman · #**240** 10-27-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

What? Negative criticism is always deleted by mods here. It's insanely bad on the Era forums, from what I've seen.

You must not have been reading the Era forums lately...just about every post and/or thread has been some sort of negative criticism towards the staff.

There's a difference between bashing staff to be a ****head and providing criticism. In my opinion, a post saying "This update sucks whoever uploaded it is a retard" should be deleted. If that post had instead said, "I really don't like this update because ____, I'd rather see ____" or even just "I don't like this update", then it should stay.

Playerworld staff are working on their free time because they enjoy it. They don't get anything out of it; they do it because they want to. They shouldn't have to put up with snot-nosed brats who are just complaining because they didn't get their way, especially when our pool of volunteers is so small. And before you say "if they can't take the bashing, they shouldn't be staff" -- it's not they they can or cannot, it's that they shouldn't have to.