My Unholy Nation Experience

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

No, that is not what UN has been, or what he meant.

It's exactly what he said he though. He points out that UN's short comings are caused by various exploits the previous managers brought about. Don't blame me for not beating around the bush, if you guys want anything done, you need to be blunt and recognize the problem: in this case, the problem is a string of inefficient, directionless management.

And you're confusing not being gentle for not being rational. If you honestly think I'm being irrational - or ever have been - then I'd say it's a safe bet that the better portion of your brain is probably dripping onto your shoulder right about now.

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

No? I am saying every Manager has different ideas from the previous management.

Yeah, that's what I said. New management comes in and then UN is a clean slate and they do what they want. The server is being treated as a sandbox for them to build up as they see fit. If you want to have the smallest sense of being professional, UN needs a direction. A direction that transcends management and acts as the basis for the server. Era has that. Zodiac has that. Even with alternating managers, you can still log on the server a year later and have a pretty rough idea on what to expect. On UN, you don't have the feeling after several weeks.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by kia345

It's exactly what he said he though. He points out that UN's short comings are caused by various exploits the previous managers brought about. Don't blame me for not beating around the bush, if you guys want anything done, you need to be blunt and recognize the problem: in this case, the problem is inefficient, directionless management.

Of course they are, but that is not easily fixable. Malinko did a ton of damage during his period that had to be cleaned up/corrected by following managements. As I have iterated before, ideas by past-management are hard to follow up on as some difficulty approaches. Streety wanted to finish pet-world and the achievement system as his main focuses before going on to other things. Pet world became a mess with different scripters, and the achievement system was finally released by GK a few months after Streety was removed. Backdraft wanted to focus on the noob course, new quests, shrinking the OW somewhat, but none of those really went past a thought except for the noob course which is STILL being developed to this day. GK focused on smaller things, but wanted to improve his achievement system and see CastleWars get done after he found me a scripter. I know Cron-Star wanted to see the development of CastleWars become finished too but I was fired by Luca/Khyber, as well as seeing other things finished. Development is headed by Luca, so any development complaints really should be headed at him, who Luca and one PWA thinks is doing a good job at.

I don't think you can expect content lineage from UN. As I, and probably others, have said, UN was created for the purpose to do a wide variety of things that weren't always uniform.

There was really only Cron-star or Luca to choose from for Manager when GK stepped down. You don't want to see Luca as Manager...

And you're confusing not being gentle for not being rational. If you honestly think I'm being irrational - or ever have been - then I'd say it's a safe bet that the better portion of your brain is probably dripping onto your shoulder right about now.

Really? Because all I saw you do is derive your own fixated point of view and rant about it for a whole paragraph, when all he said was that Managers have different approaches to how the server should go due to said complications I have said above.

Yeah, that's what I said. New management comes in and then UN is a clean slate and they do what they want. The server is being treated as a sandbox for them to build up as they see fit. If you want to have the smallest sense of being professional, UN needs a direction. A direction that transcends management and acts as the basis for the server. Era has that. Zodiac has that. Even with alternating managers, you can still log on the server a year later and have a pretty rough idea on what to expect. On UN, you don't have the feeling after several weeks.

I've been expecting Era to reset for nearly 3 years, what is your point.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Really? Because all I saw you do is derive your own fixated point of view and rant about it for a whole paragraph, when all he said was that Managers have different approaches to how the server should go due to said complications I have said above.

That doesn't mean anything is wrong or irrational; I think you're just spreading things too thin. As I said, beating around the bush talking about what's wrong and how this is all bad, without actually having any idea where to go from here, the same short coming the previous managers had with their shortsighted ideas that failed to revitalize the server.

He recognizes part of UN's issue is the managers constantly having their own little projects. Good, we know that. There's no reason to keep passing these explanations back and forth. The rational thing for him to do now would be to announce how he is going to remedy that. Because right now, all I've seen is "yeah, x is wrong and some people did some other stuff bad", then you guys carrying on with that and who's to blame, but no explanations as to how he will be any different. He's just pointed out that he knew there were a lot of imperfections that will be hard to fix, and you know what vibe that gives off? The vibe that he's just going to follow them down that road, doing more little things to "fix" it just as everyone else has.

UN is outdated and the damage has been done, there's a point where you can choose to keep throwing out small, novel updates (omg pets and achievements wow) to hide it or admit an overhaul is needed and actually put forth the effort and do it.


Also, huge balls.