Windows v6 beta test

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

What?

I always figured that was UN giving external windows a go without actually doing it properly then being lazy and not fixing it or at least making it internal again. Bad on UN that they didn't test it in a separate weapon.

That said, I know coordinates differ internally that externally as I always had to do a a (isexternal ? x : x) for positions

[_Zelph]

Originally Posted by Twinny

I always figured that was UN giving external windows a go without actually doing it properly then being lazy and not fixing it or at least making it internal again. Bad on UN that they didn't test it in a separate weapon.

That said, I know coordinates differ internally that externally as I always had to do a a (isexternal ? x : x) for positions

For a problem that has nothing to do with external windows, you sure mention external windows a lot.

Yes, bad on UN (The entire server and its staff, players, and affiliates) and not the one guy who has anything to do with the forums, who barely has enough time to log on to Graal in the first place let alone troubleshoot problems on a half-baked nothing-freaking-works-yet client. That's me. After all -- "fixing" a problem that only exists on a grossly unfinished client in closed beta is a great investment in time because it'll be 100% the same when it's public, right?

Obviously, portions of the script (Particularly the ones that deal with GUI controls) were done incorrectly because they, despite having worked for several years, do not exhibit identical behavior on a client with more bugs than the rich soil horizons of the Amazon.

Bonus: I couldn't even troubleshoot it if I wanted to. The PCID system is so broken that I wouldn't be able to log on to the beta client if I were so audacious as to restart my system.

Why yes, I'm bitter about the whole Graal thing at the moment. How could you tell?

Originally Posted by Stefan

Seems to be a problem of the script, like using fixed font size for calculation of the text.

It's because GuiMLTextCtrl.height is returning 0, which works fine on v5

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by _Zelph

Yes, bad on UN (The entire server and its staff, players, and affiliates) and not the one guy who has anything to do with the forums, who barely has enough time to log on to Graal in the first place let alone troubleshoot problems on a half-baked nothing-freaking-works-yet client. That's me. After all -- "fixing" a problem that only exists on a grossly unfinished client in closed beta is a great investment in time because it'll be 100% the same when it's public, right?

Are you really this stupid? I have no idea about the staff structure of UN. I have no idea how many NATs work there. I have no idea how many are involved in any script. I have no idea who you are. Given this, I can only make the only generalization I know: the SCRIPT IS ON UN. This might sound crazy but what is publically shown on UN is a representation of the entity which is UN. I don't think about individualism when it comes to servers. Don't ***** to me, thinking I know the state of every staff member and their relevant project on UN. Also, if you really thought I was blaming the players of UN for this then you have some extreme bitterness which is blinding you something fierce. More likely you were just being a self-righteous ****.

My thoughts are simple: if trying out external windows, perhaps create a separate testing script so can leave the original intact. It seems somewhat logical to me that you don't add scripts you are testing/developing to every single player. The beta is closed for now, yes, but if the beta goes public with the same apparent issue?

I haven't had issues with GUIs moving from v5 to v6 except when external windows were involved. The forums are being drawn externally and have been for a long time. An assumption was made. Your sarcasm does you no favors here.

Originally Posted by _Zelph

It's because GuiMLTextCtrl.height is returning 0, which works fine on v5

Why have you never mentioned this until now?

[_Zelph]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Are you really this stupid? I have no idea about the staff structure of UN. I have no idea (...).

Look. I was being facetious there. That's my fault, although I tried to be over the top.

I was just playing on the fact that you, while making it clear that you didn't have a clue regarding the circumstances of the bug or who was involved with it, still had no problem in not only diagnosing it but calling people lazy too. This hapless finger-pointing irks me to no end and has gotten me screwed over more than once in "real life". You could have just said "I think it's a problem with external windows" instead of making a black sheep.

Originally Posted by Twinny

My thoughts are simple: if trying out external windows, perhaps create a separate testing script so can leave the original intact. It seems somewhat logical to me that you don't add scripts you are testing/developing to every single player. The beta is closed for now, yes, but if the beta goes public with the same apparent issue?

My thoughts are also simple. The v6 beta is the "separate testing script" and v5 is the "intact original". A 30+ page thread full of bug reports, half of which seem GUI-related, are why I won't have any qualms about the forums looking bad in a situation where people expect things not to work right in the first place. The forum script is not in testing and whether it's "under development" or not is subject to interpretation. The fact is that if v6 were functioning properly (defined by the behavior of GUI controls for the past numerous years), then the forums would look fine. The placement of all GUIs is external-agnostic in the sense that they all use client-relative placement.

If v6 is about to be rolled out and a tweak has to be made for them to look good, then fine. However, it'll be the developers who lose in that situation because they now have to retrofit their scripts to accommodate a bug in the new client that didn't exist before.

Originally Posted by Twinny

Why have you never mentioned this until now?

Did I miss a deadline or something? I think I'm less active here than you think.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by _Zelph

However, it'll be the developers who lose in that situation because they now have to retrofit their scripts to accommodate a bug in the new client that didn't exist before.

The font size has always been like that on Linux, Mac and Windows OpenGL mode...

[Crono]

i would like to ask about any planned changes to v6's playerlist...because most people use the old external one and not the internal which we will all be forced to use on v6. reason i ask is because the majority of the actual playbase will feel alienated by this new forced playerlist that they didnt want to use before.

Originally Posted by Stefan

The font size has always been like that on Linux, Mac and Windows OpenGL mode...

eh, which makes up for a vast minority of overall users.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Crono

i would like to ask about any planned changes to v6's playerlist...because most people use the old external one and not the internal which we will all be forced to use on v6. reason i ask is because the majority of the actual playbase will feel alienated by this new forced playerlist that they didnt want to use before.

Well, considering you have access to the v6 beta you know how it is currently working. Right now (aside from windows opening at bad x/y) it's working basically how the regular playerlist is working. I don't see the problems?

[_Zelph]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The font size has always been like that on Linux, Mac and Windows OpenGL mode...

What does that have to do with GuiMLTextCtrl.height returning 0 when it's not supposed to be? (Serious question)