Graal 2001, GDT, and You - Page 2

sssssssssss · #41 07-31-2010, 07:45 PM

Im very sad that a development team is doing nothing but making a server pretty much.

fowlplay4 · #42 07-31-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Im very sad that a development team is doing nothing but making a server pretty much.

Sounds exactly like something we should be doing, you know, developing.

We aren't exactly the Graal Helper Team, because that's all people seem to suggest we be doing. We help when asked but barely anyone asks to begin with.

Kristi · #43 07-31-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Im very sad that a development team is doing nothing but making a server pretty much.

Feel like you might have skipped my post there ace.

sssssssssss · #44 08-02-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Sounds exactly like something we should be doing, you know, developing.

We aren't exactly the Graal Helper Team, because that's all people seem to suggest we be doing. We help when asked but barely anyone asks to begin with.

I understand. Just saying what I myself think. :/
Personally, I think there are enough servers right now with well potential, and just need help moreover starting an entire new server. Just my opinion is all. If the GDT is just here to develop a server, isn't that not any different from any other GOOD staff team on any server right now? Imo at least...

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Reality: We have no power to just go help the other already up servers. We have to be allowed by choice of the managers, and on their standards, not ours or some imaginary set of compliance that makes it "up to snuff". We don't have any real power.

We will be working on Bomy Island but it isn't all we have in the works, and I think Ben was just a little too giddy when he said it would be where all of our focus is. Ben and I have been active in taking over GDT, but there is a lot of behinds the scenes, plans, and structure that needs to be fixed first before anything is even visible.

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Feel like you might have skipped my post there ace.

Didn't miss it ... "ace". The only thing you say is GDT can't just go help classic servers and you guys will be working on Bomy Island, but thats not all that is in the works, which is the complete opposite from:

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Im very sad that a development team is doing nothing but making a server pretty much.

at least when I read it. I see it as its not all you have in the works, which, again, at least to me, says maybe another server you guys are planning?

But eh, maybe I misunderstood. Regardless, its definitely not my choice despite this thread being open to state our opinions on what GDT should be doing.

GL to what you guys do. Who knows, a server from GDT might be the best thing for graal ever, and I can eat my tongue.

kia345 · #45 08-02-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristi

Reality: We have no power to just go help the other already up servers. We have to be allowed by choice of the managers, and on their standards, not ours or some imaginary set of compliance that makes it "up to snuff". We don't have any real power.

I forget, why does this team even exist aside from being a "top tier developer" club?

fowlplay4 · #46 08-02-2010, 12:44 AM

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I forget, why does this team even exist aside from being a "top tier developer" club?

We're also an outlet in which people can place blame on why it feels like nothing ever gets done around here, as well as other Graal deficiencies.

It's all good though, the forums love this kind of thing.

Loriel · #47 08-02-2010, 01:23 AM

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I forget, why does this team even exist aside from being a "top tier developer" club?

I was going to make a snarky remark about that but I do not actually remember who is technically in the GDT and I would not want to offend Skyld or anything.

Hiro · #48 08-02-2010, 01:44 AM

option 1: remake graal2k1

option 2: make graal2k11 with graal2k1 similarities

option 3: ???

sssssssssss · #49 08-02-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

I was going to make a snarky remark about that but I do not actually remember who is technically in the GDT and I would not want to offend Skyld or anything.

Along with that, I didn't mean to offend anyone if I did. Just what I have always been told GDT is there for is help. Not sayin GDT doesnt EVER help. Jerret and Shane have been awesome btw.

fowlplay4 · #50 08-02-2010, 01:52 AM

G2K1: Cataclysm.

Shards-Of-Fate · #51 08-02-2010, 04:16 AM

Final Fantasy G2KXI

WaDaFack · #52 08-02-2010, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork

I don't want graal 2001, I want graal 2011.
Otherwise, help bomy island.

Srsly. Only reason why people quit is because Graal was becoming dull and boring, it was the same stuff for 6-7years until V4 came out >.> and it's still almost the same.
I support G2k11, let's start off with using our imagination and not stealing stuff from other games!

LoneAngelIbesu · #53 08-02-2010, 04:59 AM

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I support G2k11, let's start off with using our imagination and not stealing stuff from other games!

What kinds of things would you like to see in a 'G2k11'?

WaDaFack · #54 08-02-2010, 05:50 AM

Personally, you guys should downsize Graal and just work on Era, UN, Zodiac + Gold servers.
I mean, all the other servers aren't benefiting Graal at all, whereas when a trial logs on to the servers listed above, they actually consider to pay to play.

G2K11 should just evolve around downsizing Graal to 3 main servers + 2 gold servers.
I mean, keep the servers as UC, but just keep the 3 servers that have the most people; Unholy Nation, Zodiac and Era.

LoneAngelIbesu · #55 08-02-2010, 07:28 AM

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I mean, keep the servers as UC, but just keep the 3 servers that have the most people; Unholy Nation, Zodiac and Era.

I doubt that's going to happen, for numerous reasons.

Anyways, a few people have mentioned that we should create 'Graal2k11', rather than Graal2k1. If you guys could explain what a 'Graal2k11' would be, that would help. Otherwise, we'll be left to our own devices.

James · #56 08-02-2010, 09:18 AM

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I doubt that's going to happen, for numerous reasons.

Anyways, a few people have mentioned that we should create 'Graal2k11', rather than Graal2k1. If you guys could explain what a 'Graal2k11' would be, that would help. Otherwise, we'll be left to our own devices.

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I agree with this. I think it would be neat if it was still Graal2001 but some kind of story portrays the city/town being abandoned because of a catastrophe and being rebuilt in 2010 with all new buildings and some old structures being in tact. Also, easter eggs for oldbies (statues of old staff/players, items, fossilized bomies, etc) see islands shifted, old areas moved to new locations, and even exploring the ruins of "2001" to find artifacts for quests.

We've seen Graal2001 a million times but I think it would be more constructive to just bury the hatchet on it and come up with a sequel that glorifies the old while creating a fun new server that oldbies and newbies alike can enjoy.

Basically keep the same concept with a new overworld. Like I mentioned above I think it would be really cool to see some new quests that have you try to figure out what happened to the previous (2001) settlers. I know it's pretty vague but I think it would make a great storyline once ideas have been thrown around and it's on paper.

Crono · #57 08-02-2010, 12:05 PM

ppl acting like g2k1 never had a sequel itt

Demisis_P2P · #58 08-02-2010, 12:12 PM

can we make g2k12 where the whole planet is on fire and an npc named jesus is saying "dad what have u done"?

ORRR JUST DO SOMETHING. ANYTHING.

LoneAngelIbesu · #59 08-02-2010, 05:37 PM

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Basically keep the same concept with a new overworld. Like I mentioned above I think it would be really cool to see some new quests that have you try to figure out what happened to the previous (2001) settlers. I know it's pretty vague but I think it would make a great storyline once ideas have been thrown around and it's on paper.

I never played G2k1, so hopefully somebody can give me the gist of what the server was about. Specifically, the main storyline. I think that story is incredibly important, and I would be interested in making this server not only rich in gameplay, but rich in story as well.

Rufus · #60 08-02-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I never played G2k1, so hopefully somebody can give me the gist of what the server was about. Specifically, the main storyline. I think that story is incredibly important, and I would be interested in making this server not only rich in gameplay, but rich in story as well.

It didn't have one.

Crono · #61 08-02-2010, 05:48 PM

valikorlians posting about graal gameplay itt

LoneAngelIbesu · #62 08-02-2010, 06:03 PM

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It didn't have one.

How are we supposed to continue it on, then?

Although, if it didn't have an original story, then we can do whatever we want in that department.

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valikorlians posting about graal gameplay itt

Posting about story, though.

Rufus · #63 08-02-2010, 06:24 PM

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How are we supposed to continue it on, then?

Although, if it didn't have an original story, then we can do whatever we want in that department.

There are little bits of Antago musings around, but I wouldn't say they'd make a good foundation for a story. I used to speak to him a lot while I was working on the project myself, and used to ask what the reasoning for adding ___ was. These usually amounted to "Stefan thought it would be a good idea" however, so everything is basically just random. The hard part is going to be making coherence from this, whilst keeping it the same server, pleasing both new and old players, and making it into an actual game.

This is what I meant earlier when I said it was unstructured.

James · #64 08-02-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

ppl acting like g2k1 never had a sequel itt

are you implying kingdoms was the sequel? lol.

Shards-Of-Fate · #65 08-02-2010, 09:08 PM

Okay. Hell, I'll make a guess at this one. 2k1 was an improvement on Classic by far. We had new things, new items, new things to do. Then we got Kingdoms. Z-Axis, more realistic looking graphics, an abundance of things to do, like Crafting and Building your house. Kingdoms, It was fun. Then there was that Graal 3D talk for a few months if that? We got that Christmas demo level or whatever--My computer at the time was unable to handle it, I didn't look much.

Well. I think what we want isn't something cloning the old or something completely new. But an improvement on the good gameplay we stuck around playing Graal for.

Fresh Graphics. Rework Current Gameplay. Continue to ask Graalians what they would like to see.

Some ideas I'm tossing out there.
-I loved having multiple race choices. Human/Bomy.
-I loved the diverse kingdom set-up. I felt like part of a group and was happy not to have 20 different guild tags.
-Boats and Hoes. Come on, Constructing and sailing those boats were awesome. And Farming--

-I'd like to see more Zelda-style gameplay. Like increases in strength (bracelets) to pick up larger rocks. The hammer as an item seemed to die away as well. Bombable walls? More unique gameplay through the course of "questing."
-Sparring. Honestly I haven't seen anything new. It still reminds me of the same ol' random arena's with change of view seating and two guys running around a badly tiled square attempting to dodge and S or Space the other guy.

I'd like to be addicted again, maybe enough to actually pay for my gold every month.

I played 2k1 and Kingdoms years ago and honestly I don't see anything worth paying for right now.

DrakilorP2P · #66 08-02-2010, 09:08 PM

You can maintain the scripted gani editor and also write an online bug tracker.

Loriel · #67 08-02-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

You can maintain the scripted gani editor and also write an online bug tracker.

Also they could learn to build/bugfix gonstruct, that would be cool

sssssssssss · #68 08-02-2010, 10:36 PM

This is the last time I'll really say anything towards this. There are so many issues with graal that I don't see how g2kanything is a solution. Granted a real fix of graal relies on stefan, but packages, updates, and help would make a world of a difference.

Now on the other side, if it is going to be g2kanything or nothing, stick with the g2k1 overworld, and same systems, then add updates to match the strong servers up now, then create your guys' own unique story.

Crono · #69 08-02-2010, 11:09 PM

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are you implying kingdoms was the sequel? lol.

was probably supposed to be, seeing as how it expanded on the kingdoms idea, market idea, etc.

James · #70 08-02-2010, 11:32 PM

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was probably supposed to be, seeing as how it expanded on the kingdoms idea, market idea, etc.

well i know for a fact it was, but i think it's better if we pretend it never existed. stealing crossfire and then slapping graal kingdoms over it was a horrible idea. "graal2002" was great before it was implemented.

Crono · #71 08-03-2010, 12:30 AM

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well i know for a fact it was, but i think it's better if we pretend it never existed. stealing crossfire and then slapping graal kingdoms over it was a horrible idea. "graal2002" was great before it was implemented.

ye, the alpha preview looked so promising and was fun too

Loriel · #72 08-03-2010, 01:33 AM

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ye, the alpha preview looked so promising and was fun too

Yeah but we were kind of just ****ing around there, I do not even remember if we had anything playable at that point. The preview was more sustaining itself on expectations rather than actual content.

Crono · #73 08-03-2010, 01:57 AM

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Yeah but we were kind of just ****ing around there, I do not even remember if we had anything playable at that point. The preview was more sustaining itself on expectations rather than actual content.

had boats~

Brad · #74 08-03-2010, 03:53 AM

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I fully support the GDT to develop graal2001 I'd even lend some of my own services if needed to the project.

100% agree with this. I used to be able to make levels, and wouldn't mind at all doing that. I also have pretty good knowledge of what people enjoyed on 2k1, and the things that were succesful and how they were executed. If 2k1 was going to be brought back I, along with ALOT of other people, would fully support all time being dedicated to it.

Brad · #75 08-03-2010, 04:01 AM

I also like what James was saying and think that idea could be played off great. AS LONG AS CS/SURVIVOR are still around ;D. Feel like we should go back to the original 4 kingdoms, being Dustari, Zormite, Pirate Crew, and Samurai. None of these new bogus names that GK tried to pull off either. Oh, Karakaze too. Really, James' entire concept sounded perfect to me. 2k1 never had a storyline though, so lets not get too hardcore with it. Storyline basically was the bomys crashed on earth, there was some kingdoms, events, and an economy which has NEVER been replicated. Auctions on the regular, playerhouses (not stupid villas, having a small amt of PH's made owning one legit.) Pet bomys ;D, OLD BODIES....i dunno I can go on for hours.

Waltz5 · #76 08-03-2010, 04:02 AM

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100% agree with this. I used to be able to make levels, and wouldn't mind at all doing that. I also have pretty good knowledge of what people enjoyed on 2k1, and the things that were succesful and how they were executed. If 2k1 was going to be brought back I, along with ALOT of other people, would fully support all time being dedicated to it.

What he said.

I'd play.

Alure1316 · #77 08-03-2010, 08:42 AM

I fully support this, 100%.

There would be no better task for the GDT than to work on Graal 2001 (Bomy Land, Bomy Island, Graal Bomy Moon, whatever you guys plan on calling it).

But the question is, which version would you guys work on? We've seen plenty of so called "managers" try to bring their own version of Graal 2001 back, but they've all seemed to fail or lose interest in the project, truly not worth the title of Graal 2001 Manager.

Now, seeing that the GDT will be willing to work on it, I think Graal 2001 will actually have a chance to come back to the Classic list. Hopefully it releases in less than a year though.

As far as who gets Managerial rights in the end will have to be decided by the community as a whole. I, myself think it should be someone who is familiar with all modes of development. If those people are not interested, then it should be someone who is actually interested in keeping Graal 2001 up and running.

I also think the more developers helping the GDT, the better. Recruit developers who are willing, able, and interested in Graal 2001's release and success.

Anyway, I just hope that this time the server actually comes back to the list and that the players who want to play on it do not have to wait another 1-3 years for even a small update.

DutchGuy · #78 08-03-2010, 01:59 PM

You need a LARGE group of people willing to spend time on it in every area needed.
As long as you are not dependant on just one person, everything is fine. I'd say bring a little bit of everything back to 2K1 . Meaning a little bit of everything that made 2K1 and other servers popular back in the day. Something all players recognize.

Loriel · #79 08-03-2010, 06:43 PM

The problem with this plan is obviously that making people work on something created by cool people does not transfer the coolness from the second group of people to the first group of people and consequently what they are working on

sssssssssss · #80 08-03-2010, 08:01 PM

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You need a LARGE group of people willing to spend time on it in every area needed.
As long as you are not dependant on just one person, everything is fine. I'd say bring a little bit of everything back to 2K1 . Meaning a little bit of everything that made 2K1 and other servers popular back in the day. Something all players recognize.

Actually a small group of 2-3 people dedicated to doing it, as long as those 3 can at least do gfx, script, and gani, is all you need.