Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by kia345

"N-Pulse should remain on the classic tab for the same reason Delteria was removed"

Yeah, what? Should N-Pulse remain on the Classic Tab?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Yeah, what? Should N-Pulse remain on the Classic Tab?

No, removing Delteria should be the precedent. They have a quality dev server and attempted to bring activity back to the main server and was still removed.

N-Pulse on the other hand has remained relatively out of sight with little attempt to make the main server any different than it was before development re-hauls. It should've been taken down a long time ago if there was any sort of standard in Classic-tab requirements.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by kia345

Yes.

Okay, was just wondering cause of the whole thread subject and everything.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by kia345

No, removing Delteria should be the precedent. They have a quality dev server and attempted to bring activity back to the main server and was still removed.

N-Pulse on the other hand has remained relatively out of sight with little attempt to make the main server any different than it was before development re-hauls. It should've been taken down a long time ago if there was any sort of standard in Classic-tab requirements.

There's no case of double standards when the promise for redemption within both situations differs. Rebirth had more promise for redemption on main than the dev server's existence for Delteria. Simply existing is one thing, moving along the path to redeem the server and showing that progress is being made makes all the difference to buying time. As I have already mentioned before, I am not making any promises about undiscussed topics, but with the fall of Rebirth the chances are high for doing what you're stating - Removing it for the same reason Delteria was.

If you didn't get that from the beginning, perhaps you will now.

[Hiro]

if they're rebirth project has been canceled, as i assumed it would be, then there is no reason for them to stay on the classic tab

hell, graal the adventure (classic, whatever) should have been kept up on the classic tab if a promising development project is all that's required: they have released new content recently, while n-pulse hasn't released anything in months aside from textual expectancies

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Hiro

if they're rebirth project has been canceled, as i assumed it would be, then there is no reason for them to stay on the classic tab

hell, graal the adventure (classic, whatever) should have been kept up on the classic tab if a promising development project is all that's required: they have released new content recently, while n-pulse hasn't released anything in months aside from textual expectancies

Cats and mousse.

...We are moving onto mentioning two things that are dissimilar in topic now, right? Especially considering that Classic wasn't removed simply because of lack of development, which you obviously have yet to read up on.

Edit: Sign your reps, please. Things such as "You do a bad job of making people in your position seem competent" don't really make sense and I'd love to speak further on how sarcasm != ability to perform my duties competently.

[Supaman771]

If it was taken off Classic tab it would never recover. No one would want to work there and the manager probably wouldn't pay to keep it up cause its such a crappy server. Plus then he would lose his powers to delete the posts he can't answer under his own topic and rage quit. Thus they're hoping by keeping it on Classic it might have a chance. QQchachoo

[Bell]

As TSA said, the PWA has not even had the time to discuss the fate of NPulse. I will say this though. I do NOT take removal of servers from Classic tab lightly. We're in a difficult situation as it is trying to get quality, reliable development staff without adding more hardships onto a server.

While I don't recall the details of Delteria's removal I do still firmly support the idea of putting it back on tab once they feel they are ready.

Classic was put on UC by mutual agreement between myself and Thor. There was so much drama surrounding Classic that we both felt that by putting it UC he wouldn't have to worry about player support staffing and could focus on development alone. If I didn't feel that Thor would have the stamina to complete the effort I wouldn't of gone that route in the first place. So far its proven to be a good decision.

I've given Npulse some tools they asked for to help jumpstart their newest efforts and reduce some of the tedium. Thats not to say they won't still have a mountain of work to do but its up to them now to see it through. If they feel that going UC will make their life easier then I would move them immediately but unlike Classic they may not have a small core of dedicated staff to help in this and may not want that invisibility.

There was mention that this whole situation doesn't seem fair to UC servers. Why not? These other servers made their qualifications years ago and just because the playercount of Graal overall has dropped considerably they should not be held entirely to blame if they haven't been able to keep up. When people decided to rent and develop these new servers, they knew what they were in for (or should have) and its their turn to battle their way to the top. We encourage those servers along that are making a true effort at making a decent server but not all are even trying. All they want to do is snag some images and scripts from other servers, slap them together to make some minimum qualifications so they get to play manager.

Bottom line, what happens to NPulse isn't up for a public vote. The PWA will encourage them to keep things on track but don't expect any instant results.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Bell

As TSA said, the PWA has not even had the time to discuss the fate of NPulse. I will say this though. I do NOT take removal of servers from Classic tab lightly. We're in a difficult situation as it is trying to get quality, reliable development staff without adding more hardships onto a server.

While I don't recall the details of Delteria's removal I do still firmly support the idea of putting it back on tab once they feel they are ready.

Classic was put on UC by mutual agreement between myself and Thor. There was so much drama surrounding Classic that we both felt that by putting it UC he wouldn't have to worry about player support staffing and could focus on development alone. If I didn't feel that Thor would have the stamina to complete the effort I wouldn't of gone that route in the first place. So far its proven to be a good decision.

I've given Npulse some tools they asked for to help jumpstart their newest efforts and reduce some of the tedium. Thats not to say they won't still have a mountain of work to do but its up to them now to see it through. If they feel that going UC will make their life easier then I would move them immediately but unlike Classic they may not have a small core of dedicated staff to help in this and may not want that invisibility.

There was mention that this whole situation doesn't seem fair to UC servers. Why not? These other servers made their qualifications years ago and just because the playercount of Graal overall has dropped considerably they should not be held entirely to blame if they haven't been able to keep up. When people decided to rent and develop these new servers, they knew what they were in for (or should have) and its their turn to battle their way to the top. We encourage those servers along that are making a true effort at making a decent server but not all are even trying. All they want to do is snag some images and scripts from other servers, slap them together to make some minimum qualifications so they get to play manager.

Bottom line, what happens to NPulse isn't up for a public vote. The PWA will encourage them to keep things on track but don't expect any instant results.

Very well said Bell.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Hiro

hell, graal the adventure (classic, whatever) should have been kept up on the classic tab if a promising development project is all that's required: they have released new content recently, while n-pulse hasn't released anything in months aside from textual expectancies

We decided to remain off the Classic tab with that action initially being taken as an ultimatum by PWA to come up with a definate direction, which it appears Npulse have decided on, we had no intention of maintaining both an up + an Under Construction project which I believe is something Npulse did intend to do, and we haven't released anything playable in the last few months (though something substantial is fairly imminent).

Edit : What Bell said.

[Demisis_P2P]

I thought one of the requirements for a Hosted server to become Classic was that a server needed to have an active dedicated playerbase? This same requirement should logically persist for servers to remain Classic.

N-Pulse in it's current state does not have any active playerbase, and is populated entirely by staff. So it shouldn't remain Classic. Simple as that.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I thought one of the requirements for a Hosted server to become Classic was that a server needed to have an active dedicated playerbase? This same requirement should logically persist for servers to remain Classic.

N-Pulse in it's current state does not have any active playerbase, and is populated entirely by staff. So it shouldn't remain Classic. Simple as that.

Yes, I agree. Having a system where you are only required to meet the prerequisites once to reach the Classic tab seems pretty flawed to me. There should be a yearly review at the very least.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Yes, I agree. Having a system where you are only required to meet the prerequisites once to reach the Classic tab seems pretty flawed to me. There should be a yearly review at the very least.

N-Pulse has averaged 5 players a day for over the past 6 months. Almost all of which are staff, and at least one of which is an Events Team Admin (for what?).

It's not a playable server. It shouldn't be Classic.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

N-Pulse has averaged 5 players a day for over the past 6 months. Almost all of which are staff, and at least one of which is an Events Team Admin (for what?).

It's not a playable server. It shouldn't be Classic.

Trust me If all I did was host events for people who run by than I probably would have stayed out of N-Pulse for about a year and a half by now.

[Clockwork]

I think it should remain...

Stop being butthurt just because you don't play it. It's not hurting anyone, and if it goes off, who believes it will ever actually make it back? Just let it rot naturally in it's place.