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Old 05-12-2010, 02:27 AM
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Intro + Progress Update

The Intro is more or less complete but while it's intended to be implemented alongside the subsequent starter content it can be seen here:

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It's quite long but our cutscene system does allow for you to "Skip Scene" via the button visible on the top left of the screen as seen within the video.

Speaking of starter content, progress towards actual gameplay has been made regarding the build-up content for Graal City, with work also even under way on the Castle Quest, which in game would signal the "completion" of the main Graal City area (except possible separate help-tasks in future).
We plan to implement this gradually as it is completed and depending on how well the initial quest setup works there's the possibility we may consolidate both content and other aspects of the server and push for a server "release" at the point of the Castle being completed.
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love it

better make an evil hell-lycia boss

*cough*take some ideas from dustys classic*cough*
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I love the intro, great stuff!
I bet the kid that got taken is supposed too be your evil twin?

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cool video and educational, i never new civilization could be spelled civilisation. until i looked it up on google because i thought you had a typo.
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My overall feelings about individualizing the storyline(every character's parents have died and they all have a twin brother) can be found around the 2:50 second mark of this video:

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The way the NPC's talk really bothers me.. it's like it was all rushed. I especially hate it when the father says "Get outta here!", something like "Leave at once!" would be more appropriate but that's just me. Actually, overall the text is just crap and I think it should be redone.
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The way the NPC's talk really bothers me.. it's like it was all rushed. I especially hate it when the father says "Get outta here!", something like "Leave at once!" would be more appropriate but that's just me. Actually, overall the text is just crap and I think it should be redone.
This is how I felt.
Have your own message script that fades in and out instead of say2.
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The way the NPC's talk really bothers me.. it's like it was all rushed. I especially hate it when the father says "Get outta here!", something like "Leave at once!" would be more appropriate but that's just me. Actually, overall the text is just crap and I think it should be redone.
The father is not intended to be some important or royal person, plus that wouldn't exactly sound threatening .

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Have your own message script that fades in and out instead of say2.
This is not actually say2, but a scripted -customisable- version of it (notice it has a wider dimension to say2 messages), it's supposed to be for the sake of consistency as our options GUI uses a message box style display (possibly profiles and the player list too whenever V6 is released), it is possible we can make it fade in and out however.
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I think it looks good

However, I was not too fond of the ctrl + emotions during the battle, felt kind of misplaced
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I like how some of the replies are by people who haven't played Classic. But that's just me.
This revamp is not only to attract old players, it's also to attract new, so I don't know were you're getting with that, Spooon.
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This revamp is not only to attract old players, it's also to attract new, so I don't know were you're getting with that, Spooon.
Spooon can't find his Booowl, so he rants.

But yes please, try making the say2() text better. Maybe remake it (for the whole server) so that the chat scrolls down. I think I've seen it before somewhere.
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This intro is cool. Good work, guys!
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Spooon can't find his Booowl, so he rants.

But yes please, try making the say2() text better. Maybe remake it (for the whole server) so that the chat scrolls down. I think I've seen it before somewhere.
This is an intention, just something we haven't got around to yet.
I have however now made the GUIs fade in and out for the Intro.
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I was expecting someone to recognize the quote.
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Thor! It’s great you guys are making progress on the server, and the intro looks really nice. Your really dedicated to this server.
However I have a few concerns, please hear me out.
You say after the Castle Quest is completed you will, “consolidate both content and other aspects of the server and push for a server release“. This scares me because it makes me feel you think quests are priority and everything else is secondary. How you worded it especially, you seemed to not really give to much importance to the other stuff you kind of just jumbled them all together and called it “content and other aspects.”
I know this server is Classic, and we don’t want to change that. But you must remember this is 2010. I hope to god that your not thinking quests are going to save this server. I won’t act like people don’t like quests cause a lot of people do. But they also don’t have a complete grasp on what makes a game successful. They’re simply saying what they want at the moment, but aren’t concerned with anything else. If people loved quests that much they can go play any game from the Zelda series, but most don’t because single player games aren’t that fun. That’s why they’re on Graal most of the time.
Graal thrives off community, that’s the only thing keeping it alive. Your main focus has to be REPLAY VALUE. You need to figure out ways to keep people coming onto the server. Quests pull people onto the server, keep them for a while, and then after that (the other 98 percent of the time) its up to the rest of the server to keep them on. If you release a server that’s half assed and isn’t perfected your going to waste the hype. To be honest Classic has one more shot. We can’t afford to mess up this time because after this its over.

So here’s how you add replay value to a game in 2010.
1. Polish, polish, polish. EVERYTHING on this server needs to be perfected, every single tile, every single npc. It needs to look, feel, and sound BEAUTIFUL. I don’t care if the past had a certain look, because this isn’t the past. Mmorpgs are meant to develop, or else people will move onto the next one (like most of the Graal community has done already).
2. The content has to be overwhelming. Ever inch of the server needs to have thought put into it. There has to be a currency, items, and other gadgets to be collected and farmed. This is the main idea that fuels most modern games. No one likes grinding, but they’re willing to do it if they’ll earn something cool. People like to be better than others. That’s the idea behind online games. Your competing with others to be the coolest (sounds dorky but its true, think about it).
3. The entire event and spar system has to be revolutionary, seriously. You can’t have people complaining about HD, that shouldn’t even be a thought. It needs to just be solid. If you have to redo all the systems or whatever, do what it takes. The time you put in is worth it. Also the events need to be reworked and added too. This falls into both the polish and currency category. Make sure CLASSIC has the best event system. This will drive the server (like it has in the past).
4. If your going to focus on quests because you think that’ll bring that adventure feel back to the server, well, make MOST of the quests MULTIPLAYER. Who want’s to do stuff by themselves. I’ll answer this for you, VERY FEW. People don’t come online to play by themselves, this is just a given.

I can go on all day about this kind of stuff, but you guys aren’t stupid you know exactly what I’m saying. I’ll just leave you with one analogy, JUST INCASE some of you don’t get what I’m saying.

Look, a server is like a music album. Before you release it, you build up the hype, so people will go out and buy your album. Then you work on it to perfection, you don’t want to release anything less because fans and others who purchase the album will be disappointed and move on to some other music. Ever notice how people release crap albums, because they don’t perfect it, they give the fans the obvious, and don’t take it a step further. They’re afraid to risk anything because they’re afraid of losing a certain image. They focus on the IMAGE more than anything, they don’t create a full body of work. That’s why their album flops and people forget about it.
Classic can’t go down this route. At the moment you guys have completed the “album cover”. PLEASE don’t forget about the “production” and “meaningful content” that keeps people coming back for more, finding something new each day.

There’s five parts to an album; Image/Style, Production, Lyrics, Quality, and HEART. As long as you see the Classic server in this perspective, you wouldn’t want to give it any less than what it can truly be.
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Wow, I skimmed through that monster. Your faith is very weak my friend. Have faith. Classic is already most of what your saying.
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Interesting post Oni.

I think the major focus on quests is a direct correlation to classic's weakness in the past: the lack of quests. There wasn't a way to go out and "improve" your character by getting better items/more hearts; there wasn't a storyline to go through; there wasn't a reason to go out and explore the server.

Obviously quests aren't perfect b/c they are fairly static in their contribution to the server (ie: usually only a one time use, and most have been single-player focused,) but having several lengthy and fun quests is very important to the early part of a server (when people come and try the server for the first time.)

I think Thor and the crew will be able to find a balance between quests and content, because they completely redid all the scripts/systems to enable them to add/edit things much, much quicker. The events system has been streamlined completely, so lots of things are now automated and done via scripts and buttons.

Basically, things are going to be quicker, easier, and better than before. I don't know how long the entire process will take, but Classic is definately in good hands.
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Wow, I skimmed through that monster. Your faith is very weak my friend. Have faith. Classic is already most of what your saying.
Maybe you would understand his point of view if you had been playing Classic for the past few years.
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