Following the footsteps of Zone

[StormYs]

I'll keep it simple and short because ppl don't read long post.

GK is dying again, if something ain't done about this (not talking about a short term solution such as a huge event) then I am afraid even Zone will end up having more players.



Opinions please, agree or do you disagree?

[Crono]

more like Zone followed GK's footsteps. GK died first, then Zone, then GK got more active and Zone stayed dead.

[DustyPorViva]

You know Firefox supports tabs, right?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

You know Firefox supports tabs, right?

tbh i disable tabs the moment i install firefox

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

tbh i disable tabs the moment i install firefox

At first I thought you were crazy, but now I see your nuts.

[kia345]

GK always dies after I leave.

How come it can't die while I'm there?

[Seeya]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

At first I thought you were crazy, but now I see your nuts.

thisssssssssssssssss
i <3 tabs

[sengir]

We need more events. Different events

[Googi]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

You know Firefox supports tabs, right?

That's no reason not to use multiple windows. I usually have a separate window for each site/subject I want to open and multiple tabs in each window from that site/relating to that subject.

[Seeya]

Originally Posted by Googi

That's no reason not to use multiple windows. I usually have a separate window for each site/subject I want to open and multiple tabs in each window from that site/relating to that subject.

i used to do this, idk why but with W7 i like having one window with multiple tabs.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Googi

That's no reason not to use multiple windows. I usually have a separate window for each site/subject I want to open and multiple tabs in each window from that site/relating to that subject.

I made my basis off of two Firefox windows both with Graal forums

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by StormYs

I'll keep it simple and short because ppl don't read long post.

GK is dying again, if something ain't done about this (not talking about a short term solution such as a huge event) then I am afraid even Zone will end up having more players.



Opinions please, agree or do you disagree?

I wonder who runs Zone..Hmmm...I wonder who runs Gk..HM..
What administrators do they have in common?

Maybe that's to blame, although prob it's lack of content as a major factor.

Originally Posted by kia345

GK always dies after I leave.

How come it can't die while I'm there?

I'm pretty sure you were playing among the time period it died.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by sengir

We need more events. Different events

Nuh uh but it sure could use some new content and a new exp curve, but there's already countless threads of what it needs but apparently behind-the-scenes work is much trickier (i.e: functions actually coded into the npcserver) than other servers which impedes the progress to nil.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by seanthien

I'm pretty sure you were playing among the time period it died.

We were in the upper 30s

[Thrashsoul3]

It needs some actual content, more islands with actual quests, new experiences?

[Soala]

Even if it has some new awesome content released, it will mostly drag off players from others server for a moment, not attract anyboy new.
The issue is about graal as a whole and its pricing system.

[nullify]

There's no saving GK. I've come to accept this. It's high time you all do aswell.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Soala

Even if it has some new awesome content released, it will mostly drag off players from others server for a moment, not attract anyboy new.
The issue is about graal as a whole and its pricing system.

Not the WHOLE problem. The current problem with not even getting many new trials is the lack of advertisement. Classic iPhone being in the App Store advertises the application and the server alone tops over 1000 users at a single time quite often. Their entire population, alone, spread out over our PC servers would see an end to the "No new players" threads on the forums, lol. On the PC game, without ourselves being known this is what happens: 3 Oldbies quit (Older, doesn't want to play anymore, etc etc, whatever reason), 0 new people fill the void. It should go: 3 Oldbies quit, 15 other newbies have already overfilled the void because they read about us on <Insert web location>. We need advertisement in this department because as it stands, people are actually embarrassed to say "Come to Graal...I play it..."

[Soala]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Not the WHOLE problem. The current problem with not even getting many new trials is the lack of advertisement. Classic iPhone being in the App Store advertises the application and the server alone tops over 1000 users at a single time quite often. Their entire population, alone, spread out over our PC servers would see an end to the "No new players" threads on the forums, lol. On the PC game, without ourselves being known this is what happens: 3 Oldbies quit (Older, doesn't want to play anymore, etc etc, whatever reason), 0 new people fill the void. It should go: 3 Oldbies quit, 15 other newbies have already overfilled the void because they read about us on <Insert web location>. We need advertisement in this department because as it stands, people are actually embarrassed to say "Come to Graal...I play it..."

Stefan knows about that already I believe, and he's the only one who can change it. Let's spam him?

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Soala

Stefan knows about that already I believe, and he's the only one who can change it. Let's spam him?

By hierarchy standards, Stefan shouldn't HAVE to do any of that. It's not his job to do half the things he's handling these days. Unixmad is the Business Director. Where's he at? Stefan's doing not only his own job, but Unixmads job. You could spam Unixmad, but I guarantee you will never get a response...ever!

[DustyPorViva]

If any server has the benefit right now when it comes to the pricing system, it's GK(and Zodiac, I think). GK has no observer mode, so players can try the server out to a large degree without the suffocation of the observer mode. Sure, the pricing is still steep, but at least they don't have to deal with observer mode like most other servers.

[Seeya]

Originally Posted by Soala

Even if it has some new awesome content released, it will mostly drag off players from others server for a moment, not attract anyboy new.

Just for easter we had 50 people a day. If we had real updates weekly, i think we could easily sustain that.

[kia345]

Maybe if Samurai showed up for their own wars, there'd be a bit more activity.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

We need advertisement in this department because as it stands, people are actually embarrassed to say "Come to Graal...I play it..."

Unless the embarrassment stems from the lack of players, that's a very contradicting statement.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Unless the embarrassment stems from the lack of players, that's a very contradicting statement.

I neglected to add that part in, but that is pretty much what I mean. It's embarrassing to invite someone to play a game you play that has like 300 players actively playing, not necessarily at the same time either.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I neglected to add that part in, but that is pretty much what I mean. It's embarrassing to invite someone to play a game you play that has like 300 players actively playing, not necessarily at the same time either.

Graal isn't embarassing directly because of its playercount, its embarassing because of it's content. Servers with presentable content (Val, Classic, etc) are down while horribly ugly servers like UN, Zodiac, and Era (ya ur tileset is outdated QQ) are on top. Can't really blame the servers though, because there's a lack of develoeprs due to the low playercount. :3

[Crimson2005]

So are the quarterly updates out the window then? Maybe if GK got more attention than updating it 4 times a year there'd be activity; then again it's a struggle to manage 4 updates a year it seems

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Crono

Graal isn't embarassing directly because of its playercount, its embarassing because of it's content. Servers with presentable content (Val, Classic, etc) are down while horribly ugly servers like UN, Zodiac, and Era (ya ur tileset is outdated QQ) are on top. Can't really blame the servers though, because there's a lack of develoeprs due to the low playercount. :3

Gold servers however shouldn't be in the same situation as playerworlds, in relation to being reliant on user contribution for development. There should be funding, raised from both classic subscriptions, gold subscriptions and ofcourse the gelat system, for payed developers who can and will meet deadlines for set projects. That way we aren't left with a manager who has almost no one to manage, who is also restricted in many areas, and has to do it alone mostly; something he can't realistically do to the standard and quantity GK needs while also concentrating on his life.

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

So are the quarterly updates out the window then? Maybe if GK got more attention than updating it 4 times a year there'd be activity; then again it's a struggle to manage 4 updates a year it seems

4 updates a year... It's not good enough but it's all we could manage. 'Could' because we aren't getting them anymore, so we might have to go to 2 or 1 a year...
GK needs fortnightly updates to be honest. That way we go through about 26updates a year. But to replenish the 'buzz', have quaterly's which are big updates - new dungeons, quests etc.

[joel34]

There haven't been any new dungeon in like a year.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

4 updates a year... It's not good enough but it's all we could manage. 'Could' because we aren't getting them anymore, so we might have to go to 2 or 1 a year...
GK needs fortnightly updates to be honest. That way we go through about 26updates a year. But to replenish the 'buzz', have quaterly's which are big updates - new dungeons, quests etc.

The GK management just keeps lowering the bar for themselves and as a result, everyone else has to suffer while the place just stagnates. The fact they couldn't manage 4 updates a year, and the fact that making a windmill move is considered an update, really says a lot about the people in charge.

[Draenin]

I imagine that agreeing to run GK is a lot like climbing into a coffin.

[Seeya]

more or less.

[Elk]

If I ran it, I would make a new GK

[Seeya]

Make a new GK
and then propose it to Stefan to replace current GK

wah-lah

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Elk

If I ran it, I would make a new GK

I'd rather see Crystia.

[Seeya]

i don't take well to new servers
change hurts

[nullify]

If he remade GK it'd be a new server anyhow.

Back on topic, management can't even handle quarterly updates now. The last "update" we seen were bug fixes and crap that didn't even need to be changed (avatar timeout). That kind of stuff shouldn't even be considered an "update". If there's a bug it should be fixed immediately and not treated like "new" content.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by nullify

If there's a bug it should be fixed immediately and not treated like "new" content.

This. I wouldn't mind the massive gaps between "updates" if we didn't make such a big deal about the little fixes.

Those little changes and updates?

That's stuff that's supposed to be done on a regular basis. They're expected. Fixing those and making minor tweaks is supposed to be a given, not some semi-annual cause for celebration.

The only "updates" I can think of, that can actually be justified as updates, are wand stats and the crypt.

[nullify]

And the crypt is STILL broken. You'd think after nearly 3 years now it'd be handled.

[DustyPorViva]

Quarterly updates were a good incentive to give the players someone to look forward to, based on the assumption there was always going to be an update every quarter. However, that fell through. And to add to the problem, quarterly updates should have been reserved for larger and exciting updates and additions, and more minor updates and fixes(in fact, ALL fixes) should be done on the spot.

Think of how bad it feels to have to wait around for fixes to the Graal client because of the same mentality. Why do this to the players, too?

However, whether these problems are because of management or the limitations brought on by Stefan's need to be involved, I don't know.