Classic Graal for iPhone

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I've been saying the same thing since you got published on Engadget, but I'll say it again now - congrats.

Over the last six months Stefan has become more vocal and open about his opinions and ideas than he has been in the 7 (unfortunate?) years I've known him. It is something that, regardless of the message, really makes me happy. It brings a sense that maybe this ship isn't sinking as fast as we all think, and maybe - if we all work together - we can get it bailed out and back on the right track.

That's where we need to concentrate.

I agree to an extent. I love that Stefan is getting more involved with the community, but that doesn't make it okay. I'd just like to see them more accepting of criticism rather than always dismissing it. A lot of us put our time and effort into trying to better Graal for no other reason than to try to make it a better place -- look at all the people who have contributed to free tiles thread, all the code gallery scripts, the tutorials and such, and so many other countless people. Yet we all get handwaved when we try to say anything negative, even if the complaint has a solid backing because apparently we are whiny and ungrateful? I think many of us have been more than patient with Graal more than once.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I agree to an extent. I love that Stefan is getting more involved with the community, but that doesn't make it okay. I'd just like to see them more accepting of criticism rather than always dismissing it. A lot of us put our time and effort into trying to better Graal for no other reason than to try to make it a better place -- look at all the people who have contributed to free tiles thread, all the code gallery scripts, the tutorials and such, and so many other countless people. Yet we all get handwaved when we try to say anything negative, even if the complaint has a solid backing.

Stefan has primed our failing community not only for future growth - but immediate success. That needs to be appreciated, regardless of hurt feelings. Not all of the candidates working on the iPhone are ideal, and not all of the ideal candidates get a shot.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Stefan has primed our failing community not only for future growth - but immediate success. That needs to be appreciated, regardless of hurt feelings. Not all of the candidates working on the iPhone are ideal, and not all of the ideal candidates get a shot.

And all the congratulations and kudos in this thread is not appreciation enough? What the hell do you think warrants enough appreciation? Also, he needs to be accepting of criticism regardless of how much appreciation he gets -- this is a business, remember?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And all the congratulations and kudos in this thread is not appreciation enough? What the hell do you think warrants enough appreciation? Also, he needs to be accepting of criticism regardless of how much appreciation he gets -- this is a business, remember?

Don't forget my greater opposition to Stefan over the years. He and his good pal have made a lot of stupid judgement calls - monkeys could perform business more successfully. However, I'm willing to set that aside for the stellar performance - a virtual "home run" - from Stefan's iPhone work. Game after game, these clowns have had great success on the iPhone.

We all want to have our say, and I've made it pretty clear in my history on Graal that I am definitely one of those people. A business has no obligation to take criticism, and success is certainly not mutually exclusive to criticism. You have to put your nose to the grind stone and drive your points home personally; talking is often not enough.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Don't forget my greater opposition to Stefan over the years. He and his good pal have made a lot of stupid judgement call - monkeys could perform business more successfully. However, I'm willing to set that aside for the stellar performance - a virtual "home run" - from Stefan's iPhone work. Game after game, these clowns have had great success on the iPhone.

We all want to have our say, and I've made it pretty clear in my history on Graal that I am definitely one of those people. A business has no obligation to take criticism, and success is certainly not mutually exclusive to criticism. You have to put your nose to the grind stone and drive your points home personally; talking is often not enough.

No, a business doesn't need to take criticism... but a good business should listen, don't you think?

Regardless of how many stupid decisions, or good decisions they have made doesn't mean the slightest in this circumstance. The new changes to the tileset look awful, and we are trying to tell him that. What's so hard to understand about that? Do you think these claims are false? Do you think they have no merit? But what happens? We're dismissed because apparently we're not being nice enough or something... or whining? I dunno, but my point is, is that not everyone is out to get Stefan and co, just because we're not saying something 'nice'. I wish he'd see that instead of always feeling like he's being attacked, because he's not.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

No, a business doesn't need to take criticism... but a good business should listen, don't you think?

Regardless of how many stupid decisions, or good decisions they have made doesn't mean the slightest in this circumstance. The new changes to the tileset look awful, and we are trying to tell him that. What's so hard to understand about that? Do you think these claims are false? Do you think they have no merit? But what happens? We're dismissed because apparently we're not being nice enough or something... or whining? I dunno, but my point is, is that not everyone is out to get Stefan and co, just because we're not saying something 'nice'. I wish he'd see that instead of always feeling like he's being attacked, because he's not.

Originally Posted by Stefan

. . .create new stuff like quests instead of talking about details no one cares about. It's like 'OH NO! THERE IS A TILE ERROR!"

I hope the discussion can go back to the topic

The reason I've approached the last couple of posts from my perspective is because I thought this was pretty darn clear - he says it best above. But like I said earlier... insisting on a change isn't enough, it has gone to be done personally.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The reason I've approached the last couple of posts from my perspective is because I thought this was pretty darn clear - he says it best above. But like I said earlier... insisting on a change isn't enough, it has gone to be done personally.

The subject is Classic iPhone. We are talking about Classic iPhone(at least until our discussion of the tileset changes was dragged out into a debate). I'm not sure where we're off-topic here... Not to mention he GREATLY simplified our criticism to make it look petty. It's not a simple tile error... WHOLE LEVELS were redone, WHOLE tilesets were replaced.

Also, the whole "if you want change you gotta do it yourself" is such a tiring mentality around here. I mean... the change is to REVERT back to the old graphics, why should WE have to do that? Unless you're implicating something else... in which I just don't follow.

[Old_Days]

it better take critizism for as much money it cost every 8 or so months.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Stefan has primed our failing community not only for future growth - but immediate success. That needs to be appreciated, regardless of hurt feelings. Not all of the candidates working on the iPhone are ideal, and not all of the ideal candidates get a shot.

Are you even reading what he's saying?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That needs to be appreciated, regardless of hurt feelings.

Whose feelings are hurt? You aren't being very clear and the only person who seems to be taking offense to anything in this thread is Stefan.