Windows v6 beta test

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Most bugs, if not all, found will have to do with the client not supporting something yet rather than the server not supporting the client. However, you should e-mail Skyld about such requests as Beta testing. Due to the client updating often though, he's probably only selecting people who he can easily contact and give new beta version updates to, I can't be sure of his selection process though so I could be wrong. You can only ask, right?

Right.

[12171217]

Why not just use an SVN server and have people use an SVN client like Tortoise for Windows to get the most recent version?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by 12171217

Why not just use an SVN server and have people use an SVN client like Tortoise for Windows to get the most recent version?

He's set up a website with the clients listed (and last modified times, etc). Setting up any form of SVN is taking it way overboard, lol.

[Vima]

I don't know if anyone have reported this yet, but when you drag the playerlist the screen gets all slurred with Playerlist-images.

and I just noticed (not so important though) but you can't copy and paste a text outside Graal and put it in your Graal chat(TAB)

[Admins]

(for GuiTextListCtrl)

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Yes, or an entry is added/removed.

I've checked it, it's updating fine when adding or removing entries because the size of the control is changing which is automatically updating its content.
Do you change some attribute of the entries dynamically?

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Stefan

(for GuiTextListCtrl)

I've checked it, it's updating fine when adding or removing entries because the size of the control is changing which is automatically updating its content.
Do you change some attribute of the entries dynamically?

Nope, it happens on all guitextlist controls, for example, on the playerlist, if you put your playerlist on the right side of your screen and just walk around on Graal, if someone PMs you it will show a yellow PM icon next to someone random until you hover your mouse over the person which is when it updates and shows the correct name.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Nope, it happens on all guitextlist controls, for example, on the playerlist, if you put your playerlist on the right side of your screen and just walk around on Graal, if someone PMs you it will show a yellow PM icon next to someone random until you hover your mouse over the person which is when it updates and shows the correct name.

This happens on Mac too.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

This happens on Mac too.

same for me. the list doesn't seem to update unless the playerlist is the active window. sometimes it just happens anyway, even if the window is active.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Nope, it happens on all guitextlist controls, for example, on the playerlist, if you put your playerlist on the right side of your screen and just walk around on Graal, if someone PMs you it will show a yellow PM icon next to someone random until you hover your mouse over the person which is when it updates and shows the correct name.

But it's not when adding or removing an item, it's when you get a PM
Will make it so that it's updating on sort()

[WarLord2004]

sorry for jumping in.... but remove that ugly toon theme please.. new version means something new? it just doesn't feel like graal anymore.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by WarLord2004

sorry for jumping in.... but remove that ugly toon theme please.. new version means something new? it just doesn't feel like graal anymore.

[Admins]

There is a new version now (5.243):
- Copy&Paste is working
- Drag&Drop into the RC filebrowser is working
- Correctly re-initializes the tile layers when you switch to/from fullscreen
- external GuiTextListCtrl refreshes on sort() (player list)
- fixed head icon on mini-maps
- shows version number when right-clicking->Properties on the exe

[Crono]

Stefan, because all windows are now ingame windows is it possible at all to remove the 20 fps cap in favor of something reasonable like atleast 60?

I'll make a quick video of the "tearing" problem I had before, maybe it will explain it better than words.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Crono

Stefan, because all windows are now ingame windows is it possible at all to remove the 20 fps cap in favor of something reasonable like atleast 60?

I'll make a quick video of the "tearing" problem I had before, maybe it will explain it better than words.

It'd be nice for at least GUI's to run at 60fps. It would improve them so much.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Crono

Stefan, because all windows are now ingame windows is it possible at all to remove the 20 fps cap in favor of something reasonable like atleast 60?

What??? I would think 30fps or maybe 40fps would be "something more reasonable"?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What??? I would think 30fps or maybe 40fps would be "something more reasonable"?

How is capping the FPS at 60 not reasonable? Anything above that won't be noticeable and anything below it will be less "smooth". If changing the FPS around isn't possible then atleast keep the option to use the external playerlist window we've got now on v5 and re-add the external PM windows from v2/v4 on the Windows client. :|

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Crono

How is capping the FPS at 60 not reasonable?

I don't think 60, the average physical threshold, is the necessary limit for better performance. Perhaps 30fps? I'd rather see a 10fps increase if it will effect performance of Graal in any way, in comparison to increasing the frame rate 3 fold...

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I don't think 60, the average physical threshold, is the necessary limit for better performance. Perhaps 30fps? I'd rather see a 10fps increase if it will effect performance of Graal in any way, in comparison to increasing the frame rate 3 fold...

I don't think anyone cares about the actual game running at 60fps(though it would make SOME things smoother, in the end though I don't see it really necessary), but the GUI's trying to emulate OS counterparts at 20fps is horrible and just makes them seem clumsy and inaccurate.

[cbk1994]

Wondering if it's planned to make the playerlist dock so I can start complaining now if not.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't think anyone cares about the actual game running at 60fps(though it would make SOME things smoother, in the end though I don't see it really necessary), but the GUI's trying to emulate OS counterparts at 20fps is horrible and just makes them seem clumsy and inaccurate.

Ah, I understand now. I was worried they wanted the FPS in-game increased to 60 for some reason beyond necessity.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Wondering if it's planned to make the playerlist dock so I can start complaining now if not.

The problem Stefan often does not understand is that new "features" like docking are great, so long as people (with good sense) have the choice to disable/enable it.

[fowlplay4]

Experimenting with External Windows, noticed that you can't really adjust or access the x, y via script, as well as plenty other things that don't exactly work. I.e: canresize, canmove.

Is this intentional or will support for that be added later.

[cbk1994]

Text can't seem to be displayed with a zoom > 2.

PHP Code:

//#CLIENTSIDE
function onCreated() {
  with (findimg(200)) {
    x = thiso.x - 0.4;
    y = thiso.y;
    
    red = 0.3;
    green = 0.5;
    blue = 0.8;
    alpha = 0.8;
    
    text = thiso.number;
    
    font = "Arial";
    style = "b";
    
    zoom = 4;
    layer = 0;
  }
} 


[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Text can't seem to be displayed with a zoom > 2.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=84762

Related maybe?

[Admins]

Polygon fonts are not working right now on Windows, there was some crash bug, but it will be enabled later again.

[Vima]

This one still isn't fixed.
When I drag the playerlist over my window this happens:


and could you add a "warpto" button on the playerlist? (The ones we have on the old playerlist)
I'd really appreciate that because I always use that function.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Vima

This one still isn't fixed.
When I drag the playerlist over my window this happens

This problem has already been addressed by Stefan as a Windows problem rather than a Graal problem and could only be fixed by putting the player list in a separate thread but that would be a pain in the arse. This kind of effect only occurs on pre-vista Windows clients since Vista and beyond cache window's image to prevent that effect.

Read through this entire thread so you are up-to-date

[Vima]

But why does it work fine in the older/current version?

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Vima

and could you add a "warpto" button on the playerlist? (The ones we have on the old playerlist)
I'd really appreciate that because I always use that function.

If you login to the login 2 server you'll get the updated playerlist which has a warpto button.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Vima

But why does it work fine in the older/current version?

Current uses a coded external playerlist, while the new version uses a scripted(GS2) playerlist.

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Current uses a coded external playerlist, while the new version uses a scripted(GS2) playerlist.

Can't they just like copy the external one from the old version, and allow you to choose between scripted(GS2), and external?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Liberated

Can't they just like copy the external one from the old version, and allow you to choose between scripted(GS2), and external?

He's doing away with all that. It's to make the client more compatible between the platforms, as Windows is currently the only client that still uses coded playerlist and such.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

He's doing away with all that.

i just hope i can disable HTML on the new one. i hate having people sending me images of mutilated genitals and other malicious HTML coding inside the PM box

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

i just hope i can disable HTML on the new one. i hate having people sending me images of mutilated genitals and other malicious HTML coding inside the PM box

Check the playerlist on login2. Should already be a way to disable HTML.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Liberated

Can't they just like copy the external one from the old version, and allow you to choose between scripted(GS2), and external?

They should, but probably won't. Stefan has avoided discussing it, probably because he knows no one likes the new playerlist compared to the v5 dockable one.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

He's doing away with all that. It's to make the client more compatible between the platforms, as Windows is currently the only client that still uses coded playerlist and such.

I don't think it's so much for "leveling the playing field" between platforms, or even to make the clients match. It seems to me to be more about getting rid of the Delphi windows with scripted ones that can be modified from the Login server... which seems totally pointless given the removal of so much functionality this brings.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Vima

and could you add a "warpto" button on the playerlist? (The ones we have on the old playerlist)
I'd really appreciate that because I always use that function.

Please read the first post about getting the most updated playerlist.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

They should, but probably won't. Stefan has avoided discussing it, probably because he knows no one likes the new playerlist compared to the v5 dockable one.

That's not necessarily true. The new playerlist on login 2 isn't really that bad.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

That's not necessarily true. The new playerlist on login 2 isn't really that bad.

It's not better than the external one we currently have on v5 though, imo.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Crono

It's not better than the external one we currently have on v5 though, imo.

I hate the external playerlist. If all of it was external, it would be fine. But having the list be external, but the PM windows not be external... that's just annoying.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I hate the external playerlist. If all of it was external, it would be fine. But having the list be external, but the PM windows not be external... that's just annoying.

Which is why I posted...

Originally Posted by Crono

If changing the FPS around isn't possible then atleast keep the option to use the external playerlist window we've got now on v5 and re-add the external PM windows from v2/v4 on the Windows client. :|

[zephirot]

I'd love if you guys used Rage's GIM (I think it was the name?), twas cool as hell.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

That's not necessarily true. The new playerlist on login 2 isn't really that bad.

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't dock on the side of the screen, which makes it an unbearable downgrade for those who used the feature.