Lets do this Graalians

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Cloven

You and some others should all just work on Delteria Dev instead, to be honest.

I dunt like classic servers

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I thought Role Playing was a big part in Val, and doesn't RPG stand for Role Playing Game? zzz

Val is an RP server. It's not much of a "game" at all, the visuals are just aesthetics as everything is text based.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I dunt like classic servers

You know Delteria Dev is a hybrid server.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I dunt like classic servers

Why?

[TheJames]

We still have yet to come to an agreement on what server would fit in the next classic spot.

Ney for Classic
Ney for Modern


Im thinking along the lines of a RPG server, sort of like Val, except with a hint of Graal Kingdoms, and a touch of something new.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by TheJames

We need a new classic server.
I've been playing graal since 2003 and havn't seen a really good server since then.

We need to do something about our Graalonline community dieing, and honestly if you care, you'll work with me on achieving this goal of a new server. Graal is one of my favorite games, I dunno if I suffer from an addiction of it, or the fact that i've developed good friends off of it. Who knows, but I know its time to make a server that new kids will play, and us oldbies will be interested in playing.

Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

We need a combination of Servers Genres,
Since Era is clearly dieing from unknown causes :3.
Val is / has been dead,
so on and so forth.

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Zzzzz...Alright, this thread is going no-where...

Who would work on an RPG server with meh if I rent the server?

Originally Posted by TheJames

We still have yet to come to an agreement on what server would fit in the next classic spot.

Im thinking along the lines of a RPG server, sort of like Val, except with a hint of Graal Kingdoms, and a touch of something new.

Do you have this?

Teamwork. For as long as I've been here, the community has always been fighting against itself one way or another. Even within servers there is sometimes conflict. Ironically, we all share the same core goal of making Graal succeed.

Or this?

Dedication. What kind of project succeeds when people aren't putting their sweat and tears into it? Far to often do people give up on servers with great potential.

Will you address this?

I don't object to someone making a playerworld, but based on the past few years you need to commit to keep trying for 1-5 years.

There is a concern about starting with a blank piece of paper when WanDaMan for one is probably sitting on about 6-7 nearly complete overworlds.

Or this?

great, lets start another new project that will never get completed and spread development even thinner than it is already.
what a brilliant ****ing idea.

You can rant all you want about starting a fabulous new amazing server -- but the problems I stated in my post are real.

I have serious doubts of starting a new server when in reality all it does is unnecessarily spread out the dwindling development talent we have.

James, I don't want to attack anyone, but it is starting to get on my nerves. You clearly have ideas like a number of other people in this thread.
You said multiple times you want to "save Graal". We both want to do that.
Starting a new server is fine, but only if it is absolutely going to have high quality and be completed.
But, grabbing a couple of "passing by developers" won't result in a strong end product.






Want to "save" Graal? Then work where it counts. Some players have been doing the right thing, which is why we are still here. I think we can do better.

[TheJames]

I agree with you 100%. Theres a big strew of talented developers out there, that are seperated working on different projects.

Although on the downside, there arnt as near as many developers that there once was, some time ago. I blame the price to rent a playerworld. It generates money for the game, why would they charge us? I understand that yes, if the price wasn't so high, we'd have double the amount of playerworlds we see in the UC list.

I feel that a person thats actually interested in a playerworld, and designing, should have to make up a description of this, and the accounts of who he has working with him. Or something along the lines of that.

I think Stefan should have a big say in what he would like to see. Along with the players. But then again.

Another topic that interludes with this, is the death of Graal. Why do you think its dieing; I know why. Look at the top servers, log on any of them, and try to obtain items as good as any of the older players. Its not going to happen. I dunno, but if that was me, i'd surely log off too.

So when this server is made, it has to have the stable economy that no server seems to have. I feel that'd attract the most amount of new and older players.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

Do you have this?



Or this?



Will you address this?



Or this?




You can rant all you want about starting a fabulous new amazing server -- but the problems I stated in my post are real.

I have serious doubts of starting a new server when in reality all it does is unnecessarily spread out the dwindling development talent we have.

James, I don't want to attack anyone, but it is starting to get on my nerves. You clearly have ideas like a number of other people in this thread.
You said multiple times you want to "save Graal". We both want to do that.
Starting a new server is fine, but only if it is absolutely going to have high quality and be completed.
But, grabbing a couple of "passing by developers" won't result in a strong end product.






Want to "save" Graal? Then work where it counts. Some players have been doing the right thing, which is why we are still here. I think we can do better.

Stop being philosophical :/ It's always posts like this that kill off any hopeful outlook in these "threads". I don't want to "save" graal or work where it counts or do the right thing or read you're long post about how you think we should act.

I merely suggested that we start an rpg server and that I would host/manage/gfx on it. I asked who would work on it, and the question was almost completely ignored. Now, my dedication is detriment on the amount of help I would have, and obviously teamwork doesn't come together when everyone is simply trying to be the genius that knows all the answers ~.~...

Ty Cloven, you'd be a great addition, but apparently the only one.

@ whitedragon, I simply rather spend time leveling up/grinding/pk'ing based on stats, levels, spells and skills, than go bowling or spar.


"You can rant all you want about starting a fabulous new amazing server -- but the problems I stated in my post are real."

-rep for posting obvious problems

The development community isn't that small, in fact they fill the majority of the forums, and I know quite a few whom don't even do anything. So don't assume you know the facts and numbers about how 1 server will "spread" the dev's to thin.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Stop being philosophical :/ It's always posts like this that kill off any hopeful outlook in these "threads". I don't want to "save" graal or work where it counts or do the right thing or read you're long post about how you think we should act.

I merely suggested that we start an rpg server and that I would host/manage/gfx on it. I asked who would work on it, and the question was almost completely ignored. Now, my dedication is detriment on the amount of help I would have, and obviously teamwork doesn't come together when everyone is simply trying to be the genius that knows all the answers ~.~...

Ty Cloven, you'd be a great addition, but apparently the only one.

@ whitedragon, I simply rather spend time leveling up/grinding/pk'ing based on stats, levels, spells and skills, than go bowling or spar.


"You can rant all you want about starting a fabulous new amazing server -- but the problems I stated in my post are real."

-rep for posting obvious problems

The development community isn't that small, in fact they fill the majority of the forums, and I know quite a few whom don't even do anything. So don't assume you know the facts and numbers about how 1 server will "spread" the dev's to thin.

this is exactly the type of attitude that stops servers from being created

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Hiro

this is exactly the type of attitude that stops servers from being created

Is that sarcastic?

How is offering to pay for, and help make a server, stopping one from being made? o.o...

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Is that sarcastic?

How is offering to pay for, and help make a server, stopping one from being made? o.o...

because you're offering it on a whim; you're offering the basic services that anyone could offer in buying the server, that shouldn't be the important part; you can offer GFX but GFX of what exactly? you said you'd be manager, so are you looking to be directed or are you looking to direct? you said you'd work on a RPG server, but what does that mean?

don't merely suggest starting a server, and i'm not just talking to aeko. don't disregard philosophical posts that try to look into what the goal of the server would be, that is directed at aeko. i've seen how people tend to start their servers, and it goes exactly how you're suggesting to start it: some guy suggests making a server, with no plan for it at all: another guy comes along willing to pay for a server and (maybe) does one part of a staff job, being hopeful that other people will work with them, and really has no direction or layout for it at all. i realize that nothing is really set, but you should approach the starting of this server from a different standpoint: one with more enthusiasm, more positive flow, which i just did not detect from your posts

if you're really interested in starting up a server, you should post some guidelines as to what it would be: what would the server you would work on look like? what would it allow players to do? what would it allow you to do?

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Hiro

because you're offering it on a whim; you're offering the basic services that anyone could offer in buying the server, that shouldn't be the important part; you can offer GFX but GFX of what exactly? you said you'd be manager, so are you looking to be directed or are you looking to direct? you said you'd work on a RPG server, but what does that mean?

don't merely suggest starting a server, and i'm not just talking to aeko. don't disregard philosophical posts that try to look into what the goal of the server would be, that is directed at aeko. i've seen how people tend to start their servers, and it goes exactly how you're suggesting to start it: some guy suggests making a server, with no plan for it at all: another guy comes along willing to pay for a server and (maybe) does one part of a staff job, being hopeful that other people will work with them, and really has no direction or layout for it at all. i realize that nothing is really set, but you should approach the starting of this server from a different standpoint: one with more enthusiasm, more positive flow, which i just did not detect from your posts

if you're really interested in starting up a server, you should post some guidelines as to what it would be: what would the server you would work on look like? what would it allow players to do? what would it allow you to do?

I will disregard philosophical posts because they do offer nothing more than an all knowing point of view -.-....

" you can offer GFX but GFX of what exactly? you said you'd be manager, so are you looking to be directed or are you looking to direct? you said you'd work on a RPG server, but what does that mean?"

Are those seriously questions that need to be asked? You couldn't think of the answers yourself, or are you trying to complicate things? I said GFX, that means I will help gfx things for the server. I said I would manage, that means I have ideas and plans and the knowledge of what basically needs to be done. I have no idea on how to put "I will work in on an rpg server" in simpler terms for you.

Really, you're just making it harder. I said I would do those things, all I need are more people to agree to help and work on it with me before we can agree on some Rpg'ish qualities and get started on it.


"if you're really interested in starting up a server, you should post some guidelines as to what it would be: what would the server you would work on look like? what would it allow players to do? what would it allow you to do?"

I'm not going to waste time and explain something I want when I'd rather take the time and see what the collaborative group wants.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

I will disregard philosophical posts because they do offer nothing more than an all knowing point of view -.-....

" you can offer GFX but GFX of what exactly? you said you'd be manager, so are you looking to be directed or are you looking to direct? you said you'd work on a RPG server, but what does that mean?"

Are those seriously questions that need to be asked? You couldn't think of the answers yourself, or are you trying to complicate things? I said GFX, that means I will help gfx things for the server. I said I would manage, that means I have ideas and plans and the knowledge of what basically needs to be done. I have no idea on how to put "I will work in on an rpg server" in simpler terms for you.

Really, you're just making it harder. I said I would do those things, all I need are more people to agree to help and work on it with me before we can agree on some Rpg'ish qualities and get started on it.

well, i guess you just cannot be talked too without making you mad and irritated. have fun starting up your whimsical RPG server with no direction or focus since you cannot answer simple goal-oriented questions designed to show yourself, and incidentally others, where your project would be going

here's a tip: someone has to start the flow of ideas, so why not you?

[CharlieM]

Thanks to Imperialstic for being the only one to notice my post.

Don't think of this as a project, more as Graal Revival.

We all agree we enjoy playing graal but without new content the game could get shut down, considering not as many people playing anymore. iPhone brings people in, however I don't feel there is enough advertising in-game for the PC version.

--
I'd like to see this done, You really dont even have to buy a server until you get all the content done because of how many resources we have as a community (Ex: Test Bed)

I honestly think looking at this as a collab would work better then as a project

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by Hiro

well, i guess you just cannot be talked too without making you mad and irritated. have fun starting up your whimsical RPG server with no direction or focus since you cannot answer simple goal-oriented questions designed to show yourself, and incidentally others, where your project would be going

here's a tip: someone has to start the flow of ideas, so why not you?

I wasn't mad and irritated as much as I was confused at the thought that you couldn't understand, and still don't.

If I came up with all the idea's and designs myself, it would be me starting up an rpg server doomed to fail, rather than offering to host a new rpg server that we could collaberate idea's and designs into.

Here's a tip (since you are starting to piss me off a little o.o... ) : Ask the questions to yourself and see if you can't think of an answer.