Global Development Team additions

[Liberated]

Originally Posted by firefighter

Fail. Graal is mainly a game not a website. And before you try to get more players, you guys should improve the game and its playerworlds at first (less buggy and laggy; more optimized). If there were more players attracted, they will leave graal as fast as they came if these things are not fixed. Hard words I know...
This process can take a while. It just needs time and good and active management and staffs. It's not a thing you can finish in a few days or even months but years.

But you guys can get it working well if you just do and manage it right!

It's a Development platform, atleast that's what the admins (atleast stefan) call it, and even a Development platform or game needs a website to give clear information and interest people in the product.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Liberated

It's a Development platform, atleast that's what the admins (atleast stefan) call it, and even a Development platform or game needs a website to give clear information and interest people in the product.

Well i didn't mean the website should get neglected, but the GDT should be for in-game development, not the website. Especially when there's great possibilities the template(s) created may not even be used the slightest. Wasted effort. That's Stefan unix's job.

[salesman]

Stop using the leadership problems as an excuse and show some initiative . I can think of two reasons for joining the GDT: a fancy tag and false sense of authority, or actually wanting to help. If your reasoning is the latter, then it shouldn't require someone telling you what to do to make a difference.

This isn't directed towards all or anyone in particular, but it's disappointing to see that only a small few have actually attempted to do some good instead of constantly making up excuses.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by salesman

Stop using the leadership problems as an excuse and show some initiative .

If GDT members are expected to show initiative and do things themselves, then disband the GDT. There's basically no need to be all dramatic and consider them globals, set Roles and Goals ect, if that's the case. Leadership of a small group such as the GDT in a community such as our own, is necessary, and a valid excuse.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Matt

If GDT members are expected to show initiative and do things themselves, then disband the GDT. There's basically no need to be all dramatic and consider them globals, set Roles and Goals ect, if that's the case. Leadership of a small group such as the GDT in a community such as our own, is necessary, and a valid excuse.

I'm not saying the GDT can be fully functional and do the things we want it to do without strong leadership, but its members shouldn't use that as an excuse for doing nothing. There's a few people out there who have already proven that they don't need a big boss man to start helping (eg Jerret, Chris and Dusty), but on the other hand there's people who are sitting on their GDT tag because "they don't have a leader".

Please correct me if I'm wrong though...I don't want to bash people just because I'm unaware of what they're doing.

If any GDT Graphics Artists are looking for something to do, Era has been trying to find someone to upgrade our tileset for months

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by salesman

I'm not saying the GDT can be fully functional and do the things we want it to do without strong leadership, but its members shouldn't use that as an excuse for doing nothing. There's a few people out there who have already proven that they don't need a big boss man to start helping (eg Jerret, Chris and Dusty), but on the other hand there's people who are sitting on their GDT tag because "they don't have a leader".

I don't think it's fair to say they it can't be used as an excuse. Nobody really quite knows what to do. We had the Graaloween project, but there weren't many details as to what we were supposed to actually be doing. Another project that was discussed was a Global Event Server, which suffers from the same lack of objectives and organization as Graaloween.

Those, in addition to various graphics and documentation projects, are all that have been discussed. Some of us have taken on personal projects, like myself. But that's just me scripting something and releasing it into the Code Gallery with a GDT stamp on it.

Lack of a leader organizing everything will be the downfall of the GDT, if it already hasn't been. There's a reason why nearly every working community in the world has a system of leadership (businesses, governments, GraalOnline & servers, etc). This whole co-op, we're all equals, let's hold hands around the campfire thing just doesn't work. But I've said all of this before and the sound of my own internal voice is starting to annoy me.

I was told that Bell was going to come in and take a gander, but I don't even know if she's settled in to her new home yet.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I don't think it's fair to say they it can't be used as an excuse. Nobody really quite knows what to do. We had the Graaloween project, but there weren't many details as to what we were supposed to actually be doing. Another project that was discussed was a Global Event Server, which suffers from the same lack of objectives and organization as Graaloween.

Those, in addition to various graphics and documentation projects, are all that have been discussed. Some of us have taken on personal projects, like myself. But that's just me scripting something and releasing it into the Code Gallery with a GDT stamp on it.

Lack of a leader organizing everything will be the downfall of the GDT, if it already hasn't been. There's a reason why nearly every working community in the world has a system of leadership (businesses, governments, GraalOnline & servers, etc). This whole co-op, we're all equals, let's hold hands around the campfire thing just doesn't work. But I've said all of this before and the sound of my own internal voice is starting to annoy me.

I was told that Bell was going to come in and take a gander, but I don't even know if she's settled in to her new home yet.

could we imply that some leader should be voted or appointed (probably appointed) as the head of the GDT (basically giving someone a team of the most competent developers to work with) with the job of directing the GDT to improve graal overall?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I don't think it's fair to say they it can't be used as an excuse. Nobody really quite knows what to do. We had the Graaloween project, but there weren't many details as to what we were supposed to actually be doing. Another project that was discussed was a Global Event Server, which suffers from the same lack of objectives and organization as Graaloween.

Those, in addition to various graphics and documentation projects, are all that have been discussed. Some of us have taken on personal projects, like myself. But that's just me scripting something and releasing it into the Code Gallery with a GDT stamp on it.

Lack of a leader organizing everything will be the downfall of the GDT, if it already hasn't been. There's a reason why nearly every working community in the world has a system of leadership (businesses, governments, GraalOnline & servers, etc). This whole co-op, we're all equals, let's hold hands around the campfire thing just doesn't work. But I've said all of this before and the sound of my own internal voice is starting to annoy me.

I was told that Bell was going to come in and take a gander, but I don't even know if she's settled in to her new home yet.

If the leader is just going to be another random member, then I don't see how having one will allow you to do anything you can't already do on your own. You say organization is a must, but what's stopping you from getting things organized yourself? A leader is just going to tell you what you already know: Write a wiki page on _____. Create a _____ system to release to the code gallery. Do ____ (something that anyone, even non-GTD, can already do).

This brings me back to the point I tried to make before the GDT was created. The team is pointless because the only thing separating its members from regular players is the "(Global Development Team)" appending their names.

There's only so much a regular developer can do, and it definitely doesn't require a global staff tag. People who didn't want to help before aren't going to suddenly help now that they are part of a fancy guild. If Stefan or someone with more access and rights were to lead the team, then yeah, things would great and I could see a lot of good come out of the GDT...but that clearly isn't the case.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by salesman

Stop using the leadership problems as an excuse and show some initiative . I can think of two reasons for joining the GDT: a fancy tag and false sense of authority, or actually wanting to help. If your reasoning is the latter, then it shouldn't require someone telling you what to do to make a difference.

I agree. It's not hard to get started on things, you don't really need someone telling you what to do. Go around and ask people what they want, and you'll figure out what kind of things you should be doing.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by salesman

Stop using the leadership problems as an excuse and show some initiative .

Unfortunately due to time constraints such as college, managing/scripting on Zodiac, etc. Attempting to do the job of the people who started the group is at the bottom of my priorities.

If they aren't going to do anything with the group, they should just get rid of it, cause this limbo state that we're currently in sucks but maybe someday it'll get better or we'll just end up being Stefan's slaves if we're lucky.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Unfortunately due to time constraints such as college, managing/scripting on Zodiac, etc. Attempting to do the job of the people who started the group is at the bottom of my priorities.

You designated it a priority to help them with their job when you signed up.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

You designated it a priority to help them with their job when you signed up.

Helping Graal and it's community yes, becoming a GDT Leader no, which was mainly what I was referring to.

I wish we didn't need gold to edit the Wiki.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I wish we didn't need gold to edit the Wiki.

I agree. Apparently it's to prevent vandalism, though that's totally pointless on such a small wiki.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Unfortunately due to time constraints such as college, managing/scripting on Zodiac, etc. Attempting to do the job of the people who started the group is at the bottom of my priorities.

If they aren't going to do anything with the group, they should just get rid of it, cause this limbo state that we're currently in sucks but maybe someday it'll get better or we'll just end up being Stefan's slaves if we're lucky.

It's a shame hearing that from you since you're one of the people who's actually done things (e.g. your scripting tutorial).

In other news, I started the GDT page. It should be accurate, though I still need to fill in the other members. If anyone wants to help, that'd be great as well.