Graal Kingdoms Economy

[MajinDragon]

He didn't sell the forest shield. Only shields sold were Frost Shield and Tower shield. They were bought by Morgan who underpaid on the tower. So i guess that backs your point up. But, a noob winning a rare item would benefit more from selling it and spreading his new wealth over several items than a singular valuable. The problem comes when the rich underpay noobs.

[Jcs1919]

They got banned for something...

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by MajinDragon

He didn't sell the forest shield. Only shields sold were Frost Shield and Tower shield. They were bought by Morgan who underpaid on the tower. So i guess that backs your point up. But, a noob winning a rare item would benefit more from selling it and spreading his new wealth over several items than a singular valuable. The problem comes when the rich underpay noobs.

Which will often happen, duo to the fact of new ppl being often not very knowledgeable about the values of item.

[BigBear3]

Sure. Event them off. Why not?

I'm sure you trust your GPs.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by StormYs

Which will often happen, duo to the fact of new ppl being often not very knowledgeable about the values of item.

Yea, we're all so corrupt

[seanthien]

I really don't want to bother reading, but if you ask me, script is fed up with the way things are and is complaining about his lost items. You want a solution, go develop a dungeon, baddies, and items to be released that can make up for other items. Problem is if you ask me, there isn't enough variety in GK. Most people do melee, most people aim for rows, and than all that ****. Only the few with the rares around gk can be diverse, and even then it's still pretty much the same thing in a way.

[Darklux]

Bad idea.
Just event new items out. They could be unbanned at a point of time, I don't think youd like to see your items removed?

[mattdapimp]

If you want to find out ways to help the economy on GK, you need to ask the poor people. Taking ideas and suggestions from a rich player can be somewhat useful, but for the most part THEY ARE RICH. They don't know nothing about how hard it is to obtain even fairly decent gear. I got plenty of ideas to help the economy on GK, but I'm not even going to discuss them on this thread. I'd be wasting my time in doing so. I will say reducing the value of diamonds to 250 plat each DOESN'T HELP anything. Just one suggestion i had to Tig, was if you want platinum to be the top currency make the value of diamonds to the NPC the same as it is to players. 500 plat per diamond to the NPC would take a HUGE chunk of the diamond population right out of the game. I've only seen two things happen so far, since the 2 player economy fixers have lowered the value of diamonds. A: People buying diamonds with plat, B: People are buying plat with diamonds. This is nothing but beating around the bush. There are going to have to be much more drastic changes to fix the economy on GK. Making diamonds worth less platinum is not one of them, in fact is only going to make things worse.

[DustyPorViva]

Q: Hello, Poor Bum, what do you think of the economy?
A: I ain't got no money!

[mattdapimp]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Q: Hello, Poor Bum, what do you think of the economy?
A: I ain't got no money!

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

[Deas_Voice]

i have to agree with matt, making diamonds worth 250 plats is just making the economy even worse!

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

Usd is so rare nowadays, what smart one wants to spend money on a half-dead server. Currency is rares. Also, if you have such genius ideas and yet fail to express them among players you really shouldn't even bother, because then you're at fault for it.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

Hmmmm, someone can't take a joke!

[mattdapimp]

Well if the GK economy is a joke to you, then fine it's a joke to me as well. Lets pretend everything's fine, like people have for the past 2+ years. As for USDing, you don't see or hear of it much cause yeah YOU GET BANNED. So it might seem rare to you, but only god knows what's going on. I also agree with you Sean, rares are a HUGE part of the economy at this present time. Most of witch lie in the hands of already very wealthy people.

As far as ideas, a few could be as a stated above in my other post having the diamond NPC value 500 plat. New content such as new dungeons that people can go to and farm like HHW/HHE is. And actually implement some useful items that drop there. Of course we don't want them to be very common, but some newer items that can be obtained by people that don't have these "rares" you speak of. Then maybe even middle class / lower end of the totem pole people can get their hands in the cookie jar to get other useful items they may need. Even in the present dungeons, the value on drops could be increased making farming more worth while instead of just using alchemy on all the drops.

No matter what you do, unless you permanently remove diamonds from the server they are always going to be a form of currency. So if you don't want them to be the main currency, just have them being able to be sold to the vendor as another type of DoPV. All lowering the value of diamonds is going to do for the economy, is make it twice as hard to obtain items you need (WITH PLAT)

For example, 1 RoW to the best of my knowledge was around 4k Diamonds when they were the main currency. Which is 2 million plat. Leon had mentioned he'd sell a RoW for about 1.5-2m plat. Now if the diamonds value stay at 250 plat each, you're going to have to work twice as hard to obtain that RoW. Not saying all your plat is going to come from diamonds, but this is just a rough estimate of how things would work.

[seanthien]

Sorry to say, I've never heard of a row being 4k diamonds in the past. Also, please, PLEASE, use paragraphs. That big chunky wordy piece of..words, hurts me eyes. Also, GK is a small community compared to most MMORPGs, most anything that goes on is known, like USD. Someone if not most everyone knows each other, they know each others items. You'd only USD valuables, if you all of a sudden obtained some, well, yeah, self-explainatory. migranes. joy.

[mattdapimp]

Well to be honest before Satain was banned i would always be on vent with him just chilling, and he was the USD KING. He told me quite a few people who are USDers. I'm not going to mention any names, but believe what you want. As far as some of the ideas i have mentioned, i think they'd work out. I wouldn't mind helping with any LAT work if Tig has any interest in this.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Well to be honest before Satain was banned i would always be on vent with him just chilling, and he was the USD KING. He told me quite a few people who are USDers. I'm not going to mention any names, but believe what you want. As far as some of the ideas i have mentioned, i think they'd work out. I wouldn't mind helping with any LAT work if Tig has any interest in this.

I know people who did it too, it's not even close to being on par to what it used to be.
What are your ideas? I failed to get them because everything was a chunk of words.

[Imperialistic]

I think this idea might over populate the items in the economy and make them worthless, some people are permanetly banned until prooved otherwise meaning, the perm. ban CAN be revoked if permitted enough proof saying otherwise, but thats a issue with Global Staff and shouldn't be discussed here.

[mattdapimp]

Originally Posted by seanthien

I know people who did it too, it's not even close to being on par to what it used to be.
What are your ideas? I failed to get them because everything was a chunk of words.

Umm.. if you couldn't read it at all no matter how "chunked" up it is, have someone translate. Better yet, I'll edit the post just for you. Also i find it odd, you didn't read the ideas when you know about the first part, and last part.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Well if the GK economy is a joke to you, then fine it's a joke to me as well. Lets pretend everything's fine, like people have for the past 2+ years. As for USDing, you don't see or hear of it much cause yeah YOU GET BANNED. So it might seem rare to you, but only god knows what's going on. I also agree with you Sean, rares are a HUGE part of the economy at this present time. Most of witch lie in the hands of already very wealthy people. As far as ideas, a few could be as a stated above in my other post having the diamond NPC value 500 plat. New content such as new dungeons that people can go to and farm like HHW/HHE is. And actually implement some useful items that drop there. Of course we don't want them to be very common, but some newer items that can be obtained by people that don't have these "rares" you speak of. Then maybe even middle class / lower end of the totem pole people can get their hands in the cookie jar to get other useful items they may need. Even in the present dungeons, the value on drops could be increased making farming more worth while instead of just using alchemy on all the drops. No matter what you do, unless you permanently remove diamonds from the server they are always going to be a form of currency. So if you don't want them to be the main currency, just have them being able to be sold to the vendor as another type of DoPV. All lowering the value of diamonds is going to do for the economy, is make it twice as hard to obtain items you need (WITH PLAT) For example, 1 RoW to the best of my knowledge was around 4k Diamonds when they were the main currency. Which is 2 million plat. Leon had mentioned he'd sell a RoW for about 1.5-2m plat. Now if the diamonds value stay at 250 plat each, you're going to have to work twice as hard to obtain that RoW. Not saying all your plat is going to come from diamonds, but this is just a rough estimate of how things would work.

USDing reflects a healthy game. Kingdoms is very poorly so there might be a few usders around, it's hard to prove they dont exist, but there are certainly not enough around actively usding for it to even be worth mentioning.

Also you need to learn one thing. Diamonds are, and were never a true currency. Therefore all they were was a substitute for plat and an investment. You would sell your items for dias because you felt secure those diamonds would sell for 500plat and it's not as if nobody need's plat. Diamonds have much less use than plat. They're only for prepping weapons, something people are going to be doing FAR less often now that IWD's are very hard to come by. Lowering the price of diamonds won't really change anything, all it means is that people will be trading diamonds less, and plat more. Noob's should be almost unaffected unless they were geared heavily in diamonds. Buy dests for 100plat per (real value to plat) and sell the proceeds for platinum instead of diamonds. Tig is attempting to make currency weightless which would shift things completely. Diamonds wouldn't even be used as a currency were coins weightless from the beginning.

Rare's should not be a 'HUGE part of the economy' as they currently are. The problem isn't that they are rare imo, it's that they're otherwise unobtainable. There's no quick fix for the economy, it's a problem that was obvious long ago but nothing has been done to 'patch' it up.

[Drakeero]

Well, I have to admit, IF I were rich, I'd be guilty of hoarding. But that's not because I want to be filthy rich. I'm just a packrat by nature. I'm hesitant to give out gifts or loan people items because its always gone south. Usually the person quits within the week, or we have a falling out as friends and harbor bad feelings towards each other until then they quit within the week. Gift giving is cursed for me, and last time I loaned one of the things got sold off [at least I got the rest back though].

I was talking with Klay. He was selling a lot of extremely valuable stuff. I mentioned dias were now half value and his response could be summed up: Good, my prices just doubled. So, I support making dias half price but there's gotta be another half to this economic move that'll lower the prices of the rares as well.

[Sam]

If I'm not wrong the background is to get back some old items. I don't see the necessity to check out what items banned players of the past had to re-release their stuff.
If the administration think it's good for the game they can recreate older items.

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

If you want to find out ways to help the economy on GK, you need to ask the poor people. Taking ideas and suggestions from a rich player can be somewhat useful, but for the most part THEY ARE RICH. They don't know nothing about how hard it is to obtain even fairly decent gear.

I will say reducing the value of diamonds to 250 plat each DOESN'T HELP anything.

Why would it matter where the idea's are coming from? I could care less if the idea came from a rich or from a poor bum. As long as there is a good plan to fix up the economy, imo there already has been a nice amount of plans posted in this thread which would be capable of getting the economy stable.

"They don't know nothing about how hard it is to obtain even fairly decent gear."
Are you kidding me? I know how hard it is to achieve some nice gear, even though it was hard I obtained the items that I wanted.

Edit: Also tig didn't do anything with the value of diamonds, anyone can influence the price of diamonds if they have a large quantity of it.

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by StormYs

Edit: Also tig didn't do anything with the value of diamonds, anyone can influence the price of diamonds if they have a large quantity of it.

Tig made helped to decrease the value of it, because he also stated selling it for 250p, and therefor made it happen over 1 day.

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

Tig made helped to decrease the value of it, because he also stated selling it for 250p, and therefor made it happen over 1 day.

Didn't see the other thread where he made it so that you can sell diamonds to the npc for 250p, even so the price will eventually be determined through supply and demand. What was done now is giving diamonds a bottom price.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by StormYs

"They don't know nothing about how hard it is to obtain even fairly decent gear."
Are you kidding me? I know how hard it is to achieve some nice gear, even though it was hard I obtained the items that I wanted.

You are a money machine, I've seen you work for items. haxor.

Originally Posted by StormYs

Didn't see the other thread where he made it so that you can sell diamonds to the npc for 250p, even so the price will eventually be determined through supply and demand. What was done now is giving diamonds a bottom price.

Tig was a big portion of it changing though.

[Draenin]

Setting diamonds to a static money value will not remedy GK's economy problems.

Supply and demand for individual items determines the market, not market prices. Players are already retaliating against the measure, claiming their items are now worth double in diamonds, since diamonds can now be sold straight to shops.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Setting diamonds to a static money value will not remedy GK's economy problems.

Supply and demand for individual items determines the market, not market prices. Players are already retaliating against the measure, claiming their items are now worth double in diamonds, since diamonds can now be sold straight to shops.

I think the point of setting diamond values is that by doing this the overwhelming amount of diamonds can be turned into plat. See, as a player sells a diamond to another player it is meerly moving ownership of diamond to another sucker. That person will later have to do the same. When you set the price of diamonds to a player based price it becomes more of a "whatever" item that you can just sell to a shop. In doing this you decrease the amount of diamonds in circulation making them more rare.

If anything you guys should thank tig for making it possible to get plat for your diamonds without having to search for a buyer. And maybe, the the server will pick up and demand on diamonds will be high and you guys can charge 750 a diamond if you want

I think RoT's should have stats altared. The speed is just to high for them. Maybe knock the stats to (Dex+3, Speed+3) for more realistic? I mean RoT's better then RoF? RoC? RoS? RoW? I mean players value speed on this game like it's life or death. I think it would put the ring more into proper porpotion.

[Cubes]

RoW, RoE, Bloods, and RoTs are by far the only good rings in the game.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by Cubes

RoW, RoE, Bloods, and RoTs are by far the only good rings in the game.

Yes, but the speed on RoT's is to high. I use Dual RoS's and the speed is about 3.366 but with RoT's I am 4.066 thats about .7 speed difference. If RoS is a better ring, or more valuable. Wouldn't making it more balanced in line with other rings? People obsese over speed on this server so all the good rings arn't so great compared to the speed everyone wants.

If it wern't for speed people wouldnt wear ice shields either.

[Craigus]

I think RoT's and RoS' are fine as they are, I'd take RoS over RoT anyday

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I think the point of setting diamond values is that by doing this the overwhelming amount of diamonds can be turned into plat. See, as a player sells a diamond to another player it is meerly moving ownership of diamond to another sucker. That person will later have to do the same. When you set the price of diamonds to a player based price it becomes more of a "whatever" item that you can just sell to a shop. In doing this you decrease the amount of diamonds in circulation making them more rare.

If anything you guys should thank tig for making it possible to get plat for your diamonds without having to search for a buyer. And maybe, the the server will pick up and demand on diamonds will be high and you guys can charge 750 a diamond if you want

"the overwhelming amount of diamonds can be turned into plat"
Wrong, won't have any effect on the economy my reasons for this are stated below.

First of why would someone sell diamonds for plat, plat practically has no use besides spawning rings and some other minor stuff. In other words it ain't wanted.

Second, the amount of diamonds going into circulation will of course decrease but only by 0.00001% or something like that. Because of the fact that diamonds are harder to get than plat, that plat easily can be obtained through DoPV which almost every rich player can make. So every rich player will hold onto their diamonds and yep they also have most of the diamonds on GK.

Again all that tig did was set a bottom price for diamonds, meaning that diamonds never will get any lower than 250p.

[scriptless]

Well. I am a rich player and I sell my dias to shop. Plat is much more valuable then diamonds by far. Like you said you can spawn items with them. And seeing as the lack of items people prefer plat or at least right now they have been. Untill Tig made this change the only thing players wanted was plat. All I heard when I logged on was "long live the return of plat as currency". You can do the math if you like but I havent seen noobs dropping over 1,000 diamonds in bomboria trade since this happened. (im talking about noobs with under 100 hours).

[StormYs]

"Well. I am a rich player and I sell my dias to shop."
I wonder how you became rich but okay, clearly you didn't read my post well.

Your rich ya, okay? But realise that you only hold a little % of diamonds compared with the rest of gk.

Yes you can spawn items with them but why waste diamonds to gain plat while you can DOPV!!! jeez.

[scriptless]

I produce 100-300 diamonds a day tho.. I would much rather plat then diamonds. Can't stock a shop with diamonds. And you really question hos I am rich? *cough* won kj shield *cough* ... similar contest also *cough* golden chefs *cough* xD

[Seeya]

does kj and golden chefs hat make somone rich now?

[scriptless]

Uh, no actually I am talking about the OTHER KJ i had that I sold to shrimps. And Seeya, I strongly recoment not starting crap on the forums. I strongly recommend not doing it.

[MajinDragon]

Golden chef hat = 200dias for those of you content on overpricing things.
Usefulness > Rarity > Looks if visual then Usefulness > Looks > Rarity.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

If I have to edit another post in this thread regarding the discussion of bans I will close the thread. Just try to stick to the rules.

Closed.