Classic and Hosting Tab process.

[Rufus]

I was just wondering, are we still using the dated (and pretty ambiguous) Playerworld Inspection guidelines? They don't really explain the process very well, what is expected of a playerworld, what kind of content is judged, what level its expected to be at, what happens after you've been inspected, or whether you're reviewed on a continued basis. We haven't had any of the current servers being reviewed in a while either, so it seems once you can assume your position is safe which shouldn't be the case.

It would be nice if the process could be defined a little better, and in my opinion servers should be reviewed at least once a year after they've reached their tab milestone.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

It would be nice if the process could be defined a little better, and in my opinion servers should be reviewed at least once a year after they've reached their tab milestone.

Yeah, I can agree with this. I have been saying it for a long time, but I think Delteria needs to be removed from the classic list and N-Pulse should be carefully reviewed; they seem to be neglecting the current N-Pulse for their new N-Pulse which is quite an ambitious goal and not realistic for the meantime. Same goes for Delteria. Delteria has been inactive (on the main server) for so long that they shouldn't just get a free ride to classic once their dev work is finished.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Yeah, I can agree with this. I have been saying it for a long time, but I think Delteria needs to be removed from the classic list and N-Pulse should be carefully reviewed; they seem to be neglecting the current N-Pulse for their new N-Pulse which is quite an ambitious goal and not realistic for the meantime. Same goes for Delteria. Delteria has been inactive (on the main server) for so long that they shouldn't just get a free ride to classic once their dev work is finished.

Well I didn't really want to make this a thread about servers that don't really pull playercounts or do anything on their server but yeah, it would probably be more beneficial to these servers in the long run if they went off the list. If not to promote an initial 'return' hype, to save face and show that they're not just sitting there stagnating.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

they seem to be neglecting the current N-Pulse for their new N-Pulse which is quite an ambitious goal and not realistic for the meantime.

I've been aware of this for awhile actually. The Rebirth project is basically on a pause until the next few projects for the main server are complete. Thought i'd let you know fyi. Pay a visit.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Matt

I've been aware of this for awhile actually. The Rebirth project is basically on a pause until the next few projects for the main server are complete. Thought i'd let you know fyi. Pay a visit.

Awesome! When I get time I will come peek at some stuff

[Bell]

I've changed management on Delteria and separated main from dev basically. Focus has been so much on dev that main has suffered. Main needs to stand on its own or it knows it will go UC.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I was just wondering, are we still using the dated (and pretty ambiguous) Playerworld Inspection guidelines? They don't really explain the process very well, what is expected of a playerworld, what kind of content is judged, what level its expected to be at, what happens after you've been inspected, or whether you're reviewed on a continued basis. We haven't had any of the current servers being reviewed in a while either, so it seems once you can assume your position is safe which shouldn't be the case.

It would be nice if the process could be defined a little better, and in my opinion servers should be reviewed at least once a year after they've reached their tab milestone.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...51&postcount=2

[DesolateRestriction]

I don't see how this is going towards progress. Yeah, we have big goals. I mean WHAT would YOU do in our situation?

We can develop all the events, levels, and npcs we want. But unless we really offer something new what's going to bring players from other classic servers? Nothing. Right now, the only way to grab players from the classic theme servers is to manipulate the social network. (IE guilds) but even that will only keep them on for so long.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by DesolateRestriction

I don't see how this is going towards progress. Yeah, we have big goals. I mean WHAT would YOU do in our situation?

We can develop all the events, levels, and npcs we want. But unless we really offer something new what's going to bring players from other classic servers? Nothing. Right now, the only way to grab players from the classic theme servers is to manipulate the social network. (IE guilds) but even that will only keep them on for so long.

The enigma that is Graal. Do we make stricter requirements for going to Classic or do we allow 20 servers that all have the exact same content just thin out the playercount amongst themselves.

[DesolateRestriction]

Originally Posted by Bell

The enigma that is Graal. Do we make stricter requirements for going to Classic or do we allow 20 servers that all have the exact same content just thin out the playercount amongst themselves.

Neither. You are putting pressure on server managers when we are already fighting an extremely uphill battle for little to no reward other than seeing our server enjoy our hard work (and I'm fine with that.)

The only thing we can do is to work together. I've stressed this point in the past ma'am. I've offered my help to Maloria, even though my time is limited. Ziro said that he'd try to do the same. I am willing to help ANY server ( as long as they are respectful) on ganis and levels.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by DesolateRestriction

Neither. You are putting pressure on server managers when we are already fighting an extremely uphill battle for little to no reward other than seeing our server enjoy our hard work (and I'm fine with that.)

The only thing we can do is to work together. I've stressed this point in the past ma'am. I've offered my help to Maloria, even though my time is limited. Ziro said that he'd try to do the same. I am willing to help ANY server ( as long as they are respectful) on ganis and levels.

So whats your point. The PWA does not give out free servers, Stefan does. We were asked to put more detail into what the requirements are for hosting and we did. Most these things have been here all along, just not in written form. We'd get requests for classic or hosted from servers that didn't even have working scripts. They were trash thrown together that people would look at and laugh if they logged on. Is that the kind of server you feel should represent the game? When they would be denied they would claim its not written down anywhere whats needed to get to Classic. Now there is. Thats not to say that a server might not make it to Classic if they are missing one detail of it. If its an interesting and fun server but has mediocre graphics, who cares.

[Spark910]

Want to open a temporary world for players while they finish the main world

I think I was inspired by Sanstrata for this point! I remember a 10-20 level temporary overworld which was more fun than the actual released world

[Bell]

Sometimes I swear smaller is better.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Bell

Sometimes I swear smaller is better.

is that why you're Rufus' mouthpiece nowadays?

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

is that why you're Rufus' mouthpiece nowadays?

I have no idea what you're talking about. If I remember correctly, Rufus and I butt heads on a regular basis. It doesn't mean that none of his ideas have merit. I wasn't aware this was one of them though.

[Hiro]

so why isn't the current NPulse & Delteria already off the classic tab if it doesn't really meet the requirements, and more importantly isn't being worked on any longer?

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Hiro

so why isn't the current NPulse & Delteria already off the classic tab if it doesn't really meet the requirements, and more importantly isn't being worked on any longer?

Existing servers don't have to retrofit completely to stay on tab. If they did there wouldn't be a single server left on any tab. Both Npulse and Delteria know they are next on the chopping block so thats not really an issue atm.

[MysticX2X]

Classic was removed due to lack of content. Delteria has had nothing to do for about 2 years? Doesn't matter if they have a new server in private development.

[DarkCloud_PK]

I would have to throw in my support for a less ambiguous PW requirement system and in turn a more strict one for existing servers. It has been the case for a while now that we cannot afford to unnecessarily spread out the players of this game. We don't have the numbers we used to and community is a large part of this games entertainment value.

I also have to agree that N-Pulse and Delteria as of current need to be removed from the Classic tab. Both servers are as dead as Classic was before it was removed. They are both servers with large reconstruction projects that continue to have their rough ETAs be pushed back constantly. There is no argument to retain them unless you blind yourself from being rational to defend them. The servers as they stand now are dead, and the servers in their current form aren't going to go anywhere, and shouldn't anyway considering the aforementioned reconstruction projects, all work should be going into those obviously.

In summary, the game can't afford to have any servers up that aren't necessary at this point, especially those that don't dramatically set themselves apart from themes of PWs that are successful right now. It makes the game less fun to have people spread out, and having servers that have sub-20 playercounts make the game look awful, especially to people starting out and seeing these dead servers on the list.

[Imperialistic]

Pretty sure N-Pulse is dead, don't know if you guys are running on facts or opinions. Most the time in the evening we get a minimum of 20 players. Delteria on the other hand is a different story, it's a lost hope at this moment, considering the only people on the server are staff.. you can't say the same for N-Pulse.

N-Pulse is working on an insane reconstruction project, but that isn't hurting the main server at all.

Too say N-Pulse is on the chopping block at this time would not be wise, N-Pulse is a strong server, with a powerful community I believe.

Another point:
Sort of funny how there is like 2/3's of 207 players registered to the forums that are active. N-Pulse is a close community and just because other players don't see it, we sure do. I don't know any servers that have a succesfull forum with any where close to 207 players registered. It just goes to show that N-Pulse isn't dead.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I don't know any servers that have a succesfull forum with any where close to 207 players registered. It just goes to show that N-Pulse isn't dead.

Delteria has 402 registered members on their forums and you say that's dead. I don't really see your point here.

[Imperialistic]

Are the majority of members active?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Pretty sure N-Pulse is dead, don't know if you guys are running on facts or opinions. Most the time in the evening we get a minimum of 20 players. Delteria on the other hand is a different story, it's a lost hope at this moment, considering the only people on the server are staff.. you can't say the same for N-Pulse.

N-Pulse is working on an insane reconstruction project, but that isn't hurting the main server at all.

Too say N-Pulse is on the chopping block at this time would not be wise, N-Pulse is a strong server, with a powerful community I believe.

Another point:
Sort of funny how there is like 2/3's of 207 players registered to the forums that are active. N-Pulse is a close community and just because other players don't see it, we sure do. I don't know any servers that have a succesfull forum with any where close to 207 players registered. It just goes to show that N-Pulse isn't dead.

nice contradiction

if the main population of NP is behind the scenes, then let the server go behind the scenes as well. having 20 people online in the evening is useless, especially when most of those players are staff+RC, and then 3-4 people who actually play NP seriously anymore. at least delteria still runs their spar tournaments with a somewhat good turnout

[Imperialistic]

First off, I stated that 20 players were a minimum, who said they all are behind the scenes as well? You're running off assumptions that aren't even wise. And there is more than 3-4 non-staff that are on during the evening's.

zzz

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Hiro

... at least delteria still runs their spar tournaments with a somewhat good turnout

Those are dead too.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

First off, I stated that 20 players were a minimum, who said they all are behind the scenes as well? You're running off assumptions that aren't even wise. And there is more than 3-4 non-staff that are on during the evening's.

zzz

i've definitely seen NP with lower than 5 players for hours at end, even in the evenings. things aren't popping on the server itself, while it seems development is at a slow but progressive state. NP doesn't have quests, it doesn't regularly hold events (although it does, i suppose, run when these 20 or so people are on) or any type of sparring/PKing/anything tournament, and it isn't being worked on any longer. so why is it up? it doesn't fall into the requirements for classic tab, and it doesn't have an active player population. those players could easily be assimilated onto UN (which isn't all that great honestly) but at least the population would condense and it would remove a practically dead server from being hosted; the same would apply to delteria - both have development servers

[alskdjfhg]

Originally Posted by Hiro

i've definitely seen NP with lower than 5 players for hours at end, even in the evenings. things aren't popping on the server itself, while it seems development is at a slow but progressive state. NP doesn't have quests, it doesn't regularly hold events (although it does, i suppose, run when these 20 or so people are on) or any type of sparring/PKing/anything tournament, and it isn't being worked on any longer. so why is it up? it doesn't fall into the requirements for classic tab, and it doesn't have an active player population. those players could easily be assimilated onto UN (which isn't all that great honestly) but at least the population would condense and it would remove a practically dead server from being hosted; the same would apply to delteria - both have development servers

I agree with this. N-Pulse, Delteria, and even Valikorlia are embarrassments to Graal and are a waste of space. Both N-Pulse and Delteria are way behind in development... and Valikorlia just has idling staff on it most of the times and no "RPing" going on at all... much like Delteria and N-Pulse too. I've checked them numerous times and nothing changes significantly at all. They might as well be taking off the Classic list for now until they actually get something done...

[Crono]

Originally Posted by alskdjfhg

and Valikorlia just has idling staff on it most of the times and no "RPing" going on at all

Seems more active than Delteria and Npulse to me, it just depends on when you log on. Val has a lot more potential though and I cannot believe they still haven't tapped into it yet. Probably too late now, with Zodiac and all. :[

[alskdjfhg]

Originally Posted by Crono

Seems more active than Delteria and Npulse to me, it just depends on when you log on. Val has a lot more potential though and I cannot believe they still haven't tapped into it yet. Probably too late now, with Zodiac and all. :[

Honestly if you look, Val only has staff... and all they do is create nice graphics/gani's and waste them. Would be nice to see them try to make an actual mmorpg out of that stuff. I do think that they could somewhat compete against Zodiac... but in meantime I'd recommend it be taken off... if there was any RPing at all it would include the admins... and they would be off somewhere far and wouldn't normally allow or include newer players to join in. They just warp to each other to get around.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Are the majority of members active?

"68" / 210 is the majority?

[Scouser]

Just wondering what's N-Pulse actually about?
I mean ive seen 3 good classic playerworlds and 2 Gold playerworlds and maybe even the Skill Games.
UN
Zodiac
Era

All three are different

N-Pulse - No Idea what this is?< Anybody else feel this way?
Delteria - Same as N-Pulse

GK - Alot like zodiac (GK's obv better)
Zone - A (as far as i can tell) one of a kind futuristic server that is laid out in this way.

But N-Pulse & Delt are as far as i can see useless.
5 Players max that ive seen in the past month.
and im fairly sure they are Staff members.
You guys bad mouth servers like Graal Ghetto etc etc.
But there gold and there getting as many players as Era and Zodiac (Mostly Era because of GG, Utopia, Graal X)! If Era was on Hosted for a week it would hardly have ANY players that are not trials, and in my opinion hardly any players at all.
If they'd swap GG and Era for a week, GG would have around 80 players on, where Era would have the same playercount as Delteria/N-Pulse.

[Imperialistic]

Their has always been UTC and TTUTC tournies on N-Pulse, just open up your eyes and see. Who said the only quests on Graal should be for shield/sword/hearts? There is more than just that to quests dude.

[The_Ice_Cold]

The real question is what are the requirements for a server to go gold...

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by The_Ice_Cold

The real question is what are the requirements for a server to go gold...

That's pretty much impossible I think, Stefan wouldn't allow it.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by The_Ice_Cold

The real question is what are the requirements for a server to go gold...

That would be shooting yourself in the foot. The only servers that have been put on gold are the ones Stefan has worked on.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Wow, no-one cares about the damn activity of a forum community when judging a servers activity. Look at the activity Classic had on these very forums when the server was still struggling to stay afloat. We had 20+ page threads about things, the discussion was thriving, but the server was still dead.

N-Pulse, the current server online, is just dead. There is no denying that. There may be potential in the N-Pulse Rebirth project or w/e the name is being developed currently, but that has no bearing on the status of the current server. Right now it is just another failure on the serverlist dominated by 3 servers. Trying to argue that the live server is developing as well is fruitless, N-Pulse hasn't gone anywhere in the past few years but down, and a couple updates on a live server isn't going to cut it for a dying server. All of your efforts should be concentrated on the Rebirth project anyway. Time is of the essence in this game to be successful now since the state of the game isn't exactly improving. If you rest your laurels and keep delaying things, there won't be much of an audience left to appreciate the release.
Bite the bullet now that the current live server is 6 feet under, just like we have accepted for Classic and work on the important task at hand. Do you honestly think having a dying server on the list now is beneficial to the game as a whole now?
No. One of the main aspects of having fun in this game is interacting and having fun with the rest of a robust and entertaining community. Servers on the bottom of the list that can't even push 20 players regularly do NOT provide this at all, which makes whatever rich content or memorable events on that server pretty lackluster. Community is the name of this game, it always has been, and servers beyond Era, UN, and Zodiac simply do not provide this aspect to the required degree.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Wow, no-one cares about the damn activity of a forum community when judging a servers activity. Look at the activity Classic had on these very forums when the server was still struggling to stay afloat. We had 20+ page threads about things, the discussion was thriving, but the server was still dead.

N-Pulse, the current server online, is just dead. There is no denying that. There may be potential in the N-Pulse Rebirth project or w/e the name is being developed currently, but that has no bearing on the status of the current server. Right now it is just another failure on the serverlist dominated by 3 servers. Trying to argue that the live server is developing as well is fruitless, N-Pulse hasn't gone anywhere in the past few years but down, and a couple updates on a live server isn't going to cut it for a dying server. All of your efforts should be concentrated on the Rebirth project anyway. Time is of the essence in this game to be successful now since the state of the game isn't exactly improving. If you rest your laurels and keep delaying things, there won't be much of an audience left to appreciate the release.
Bite the bullet now that the current live server is 6 feet under, just like we have accepted for Classic and work on the important task at hand. Do you honestly think having a dying server on the list now is beneficial to the game as a whole now?
No. One of the main aspects of having fun in this game is interacting and having fun with the rest of a robust and entertaining community. Servers on the bottom of the list that can't even push 20 players regularly do NOT provide this at all, which makes whatever rich content or memorable events on that server pretty lackluster. Community is the name of this game, it always has been, and servers beyond Era, UN, and Zodiac simply do not provide this aspect to the required degree.

exactly, and the history of the server shouldn't have a bearing either. it might insult you that your home server will be put offline, but your home server is dead

[sssssssssss]

It was my home server, after servers came out. Doesn't bother me that it's dead, because it is.
I also think it stupid to keep players as staff and host events for ~30 people max. Most people for the UTC and TTUTC are from OTHER SERVERS, and just log on N-Pulse for those events alone, and don't get back on until those events happen again. I for one would love to see servers in dev get off the classic tab once and for all. If they stay, then there should be ALOT more servers in the classic tab at this point, because they are already more fun and have more content.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I don't know any servers that have a succesfull forum with any where close to 207 players registered.

Maloria.com, 1,043 registered members and still climbing.

I haven't posted for a while, but I just had to reply to that.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Maloria.com, 1,043 registered members and still climbing.

I haven't posted for a while, but I just had to reply to that.

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