Armageddon - Page 10

DustyPorViva · #1 09-16-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

theres always room to improved finished things. Especially a level.

Id hate to go along with the criticism and when the guy criticising sees the single part of the level without seeing its surroundings and how it fits in really isnt a type of criticism id listen to. That goes for anyone wearing the same shoe.

Then is it finished? Not really. It's best to get criticism as you work, that way you're not wasting time going back and redoing things you could have caught before hand.

Decus_Arillias · #2 09-16-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Then is it finished? Not really. It's best to get criticism as you work, that way you're not wasting time going back and redoing things you could have caught before hand.

i really dont think theres enough "level" to fix anything. Cant catch much when theres nothing really there. specially on a level such as the one posted.

i think the criticism is worth 1000X more when you see how each level comes together rather then looking at a level with barly anything on it. What i mean is solas criticism and others who have logged on. Thats why the preview will hopefully help us fix the things we're working on

Decus_Arillias · #3 09-14-2010, 10:45 PM

the level was never deemed as finished. around 6 out of 7 liked it so why would i move things around and start over?

im sure it will look fine once i finish it.

I'll let the preview speek for itsself. Looking forward to the feed back good or bad.

WanDaMan · #4 09-14-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

the level was never deemed as finished. around 6 out of 7 liked it so why would i move things around and start over?

im sure it will look fine once i finish it.

lol making improvements would be finishing a unfished product ultimently

Making improvements would be enhancing the game play for the better, you'll never progress if you define making improvements as final.

I'm intrigued with everything what I've seen and heard; Maximus has stated that you care about the detail in every little thing which has interested myself with the development of Armageddon. I'd rather see the the server go up with the expectations as above - I wouldn't like to log on when you've finished to see that the majority of work has been rushed and you see content which isn't as good quality as other parts on the overworld. Criticism needs to be taken constructively from players as you're developing the world for the players to enjoy.

sssssssssss · #5 09-14-2010, 11:04 PM

We are and have been. I think he's saying they're not judging as a whole, and that those levels were no where near done, which hes saying, of coarse they may look bad now, they aren't done. At least thats what I get out of it.

Precise · #6 09-15-2010, 10:03 PM

Trolls will be trolls... Toss them some cheese and kick them back under their bridge.

Ignore comments like Rufus's. Constructive criticism isn't:

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Rufus: I wouldn't go that far

Don't be ignorant. You can't claim you're trying to be constructive.

WanDaMan · #7 09-15-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by precise

trolls will be trolls... Toss them some cheese and kick them back under their bridge.

Ignore comments like rufus's. Constructive criticism isn't:

Don't be ignorant. You can't claim you're trying to be constructive.

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Originally Posted by rufus

i can only comment on what i have seen posted in this thread, and what you've presented is far from pushing the boat on graal. That's me being blunt, and if this is in the same tone as the rest of the server, no, you're not setting a standard. This kind of content is like something you would have expected to see in 2002, and anyone who has an eye for standards most likely knows this. What you just described is pretty much already implemented elsewhere, and if all you're differentiating in is graphics and style, it is something that you should probably start working on as soon as possible.

This has nothing to do with me having had a server in the past (don't know where you got that from, seems random) it has to do with me telling you my opinion. The server you have been posting screenshots of looks like a total mess.

:o!

Precise · #8 09-15-2010, 10:30 PM

He can tell if it's a total mess from 3-5 screenshots? Even then, they were of the same level/area multiple times. He can claim all he wants that he was just being "blunt", if he was just being blunt he wouldn't have had to write a novel to get his point across.

kia345 · #9 09-15-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Precise

He can tell if it's a total mess from 3-5 screenshots? Even then, they were of the same level/area multiple times. He can claim all he wants that he was just being "blunt", if he was just being blunt he wouldn't have had to write a novel to get his point across.

If they keep trying to disprove him he does.

Hiro · #10 09-16-2010, 12:23 AM

i think the point is that what is being showcased is just the average "serverness" to show that the server is approaching the point of release. the uniqueness of the server will show itself through the experience of the server, which we plan to tweak as a finished product. what is unknown is the pace of the server (in my feelings at least) and it can really only be determined well by having the finished server, followed by gameplay by guilds

though the interpretations differ, this should be a very flexible classic server that avoids and improves upon what has been grown to become the norm. i wouldn't let the attitudes in this thread take away from the nature or purpose of armageddon itself

Precise · #11 09-16-2010, 12:39 AM

Never have I ever seen so much negativity towards a server in development!

Loakey_P2P · #12 09-16-2010, 02:22 AM

most server's don't steal images from other servers to make their own server popular .

sssssssssss · #13 09-16-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Loakey_P2P

most server's don't steal images from other servers to make their own server popular .

who the **** are you lol?
And off soooo fast after PMing me? No discussion on the server whatsoever (Rufus)? I'm not one on calling people trolls, but this is now an obvious troll. Rufus Pming me about all kinds of stuff, and some random account never seen before logs on the server and forums and says this? L-O-L.

Loakey_P2P · #14 09-16-2010, 02:29 AM

one of many people who know where your tiles and images came from . someone who didn't give you permission to use them . i find it funny you have rules to sign on your server yet you don't follow any rules your self's , least the ones about stealing stuff .

Decus_Arillias · #15 09-16-2010, 02:30 AM

the only thing thats stolen is a treetop that i even altered somewhat for a placeholder.
Thanks to Konidias and his tree guide im currently working on a very nice treetop that hasnt been finished yet. Appriciate your interest and welcome to Armageddons Thread.

DustyPorViva · #16 09-16-2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Decus_Arillias

the only thing thats stolen is a treetop that i even altered somewhat for a placeholder.
Thanks to Konidias and his tree guide im currently working on a very nice treetop that hasnt been finished yet. Appriciate your interest and welcome to Armageddons Thread.

Why would you alter it if it was a place-holder? Also, why so many stolen place-holders? If it's just a place-holder, throw some crap together and use it instead. Stop using other peoples graphics... And I know of a lot of graphics that are stolen from someone I am on friendly terms with and he is not happy about it.

Decus_Arillias · #17 09-16-2010, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Why would you alter it if it was a place-holder? Also, why so many stolen place-holders? If it's just a place-holder, throw some crap together and use it instead. Stop using other peoples graphics... And I know of a lot of graphics that are stolen from someone I am on friendly terms with and he is not happy about it.

Because i used Konidias treeguide and havent finished a treetop? Get over it. It will be replaced.

Definatly acting like the biggest baby in the crib.

sssssssssss · #18 09-16-2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Why would you alter it if it was a place-holder? Also, why so many stolen place-holders? If it's just a place-holder, throw some crap together and use it instead. Stop using other peoples graphics... And I know of a lot of graphics that are stolen from someone I am on friendly terms with and he is not happy about it.

Who? lol. Please say the name and where it's from Rufus. I heard you didn't care.

This is sooo distracting while I'm trying to script drunk omg.....

How about you guys that ***** constantly just leaving us alone until we are done? That sound fair? Is it that hard? I mean dusty, did you have clearance to "steal" classic levels? I'm not bashing on your work, and dream and night about how you help Armageddon because it is the only part of my life that I live, but really? You waste your time here? You're making some lttp gfx, stealing classic. Last I heard you were never on classic's staff whatsoever.... and you've *****ed so much about us when you remade it, working on it for how long? Then posted? Again, everything was helpful to plenty, but the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter, and you can't be hypocritical...

P.S.
Hell ya me and Decus got attitude, we we're leaders of guilds for like 12 years. Explains enough. Don't talk **** about what we do t'ill its done. Stop hurting a ****ing playerworld on a dying game you idiots. Maybe its a *****y, crying way to say it but geeze, seriously?! If you want to say ****, wait until we say here it is. ****.

DustyPorViva · #19 09-16-2010, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Who? lol.

This is sooo distracting while I'm trying to script drunk omg.....

How about you guys that ***** constantly just leaving us alone until we are done? That sound fair? Is it that hard? I mean dusty, did you have clearance to "steal" classic levels? I'm not bashing on your work, and dream and night about how you help Armageddon because it is the only part of my life that I live, but really? You waste your time here? You're making some lttp gfx, stealing classic. Last I heard you were never on classic's staff whatsoever.... and you've *****ed so much about us when you remade it, working on it for how long? Then posted? Again, everything was helpful to plenty, but the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter, and you can't be hypocritical...

Yes, I contacted Stefan and he more than agreed to let me use Classic as a base for my project.

And my LttP remakes were not for Graal, or any project at all. They were just a way to pass time.

Decus_Arillias · #20 09-16-2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Yes, I contacted Stefan and he he more than agreed to let me use Classic as a base for my project.

And my LttP remakes were not for Graal, or any project at all. They were just a way to pass time.

So explain the minish cap Tree and other edits from that zelda game? Since you wanna talk tough about altering gfx.

Need me to post references?

Loakey_P2P · #21 09-16-2010, 02:48 AM

nobodys bashing your work , mostly because you didn't do the work . you just ripped off beholders stuff . the flower wallpaper , the brick wall , the wall support's , brown strip on the flower wall paper . the only thing you didn't steal was that stone floor tile . you talk about being hypocritical , yet you sit there telling dusty off for stealing while your stealing someone's images , that's funny . the only thing funnier is how you try to turn this around on dusty rather then explain your content thieft .

sssssssssss · #22 09-16-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Loakey_P2P

nobodys bashing your work , mostly because you didn't do the work . you just ripped off beholders stuff . the flower wallpaper , the brick wall , the wall support's , brown strip on the flower wall paper . the only thing you didn't steal was that stone floor tile . you talk about being hypocritical , yet you sit there telling dusty off for stealing while your stealing someone's images , that's funny . the only thing funnier is how you try to turn this around on dusty rather then explain your content thieft .

You are Rufus for sure btw. Our conversations proves from in-game pm's that you wanted to say this, and despite "being banned" for saying it, you paid for an account?! LOL. Fix your guild instead of paying IRL money to post about some server. Or it's some close dumb friend that paid like $30 to post lol. lame either way. BTW RUFUS ANSWER MY GOD DAMN QUESTION ITS LIKE 20 POSTS LATER U IDIOT. STILL IGNORING THAT QUESTION DIP ****?!

Sooooooo......... where did Eye of beholder post this ****? I would love for Graal to ip track you if they are allowed to. If not unfortunate for them, but I wouldn't dare pay $30 or so extra just post **** about someone. U mad Rufus. U really mad that you failed as a manager.

Dusty. So you're telling me over what classic has worked on, and over the manager, stefan gave you clearance to remake the server yourself. No staff needed and **** the classic staff?! lol. Love to see that fake PM.

Because of you ****s, I will give 3 solid days for people to convince me otherwise to continue on this server. You can take it as a *****, a baby, a cry, whatever. I will not continue unless more than 10 people want me to. Mostly because I'm not going to make some server Rufus and other *****es can use for guilds and stuff that is innovative as **** to play on. I will not pay another dime, or take another month offered for you pricks. Stop *****ing, and get over yourself, then report it to a pwa if you have a problem when its done instead of being a loud mouth **** ass mother ****er. It has little to nothing to do with you right now, as you only long on to be "shown otherwise" you stupid piece of ****. Rufus, Dusty, and Kea, among a few others, are the reasons servers like this go down in flames. Blame them until they make a server themsevles that is SO ****ING AWESOME AND UP IN CLASSIC TAB. The end. 3 days, 10 people, or I have 0 reason to continue for these bastards to play on a server I helped make. I planned to resign soon after classic, so say all the ****e you want to about "not being able to take it". I'm not an Admin on a dev server to take ****. I'm an admin on a dev server to make ****. I would have quit soon after classic to enjoy the server myself.

Decus_Arillias · #23 09-16-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Loakey_P2P

nobodys bashing your work , mostly because you didn't do the work . you just ripped off beholders stuff . the flower wallpaper , the brick wall , the wall support's , brown strip on the flower wall paper . the only thing you didn't steal was that stone floor tile . you talk about being hypocritical , yet you sit there telling dusty off for stealing while your stealing someone's images , that's funny . the only thing funnier is how you try to turn this around on dusty rather then explain your content thieft .

There is no content thieft besides 1 damn treetop to explain. Why dont you explain to me who beholder is. If theres something stolen ill let a PWA handle it.

Precise · #24 09-16-2010, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I know of a lot of graphics that are stolen

Care to share, or all talk?

sssssssssss · #25 09-16-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Precise

Care to share, or all talk?

No. They'll get banned. They just want to talk ****. They can't back it up whatsoever. PM a pwa. Say what its from, I dare you. Say it here and stop being a *****.

sssssssssss · #26 09-16-2010, 02:43 AM

Maybe if you few people aren't happy, we should just stop. I'm sick of people *****ing until we release ****. Don't want to make a playerworld for people that complain before it's even presented or released.

Luda · #27 09-16-2010, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Maybe if you few people aren't happy, we should just stop. I'm sick of people *****ing until we release ****. Don't want to make a playerworld for people that complain before it's even presented or released.

Ok do it, quit crying.

Luda · #28 09-16-2010, 03:04 AM

Precise · #29 09-16-2010, 03:11 AM

And what are we looking for?

DustyPorViva · #30 09-16-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Precise

And what are we looking for?

His graphics:

sssssssssss · #31 09-16-2010, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

His graphics:

WHERE IS THAT FROM DUSTY?! I've never seen that on graal!!!! PLZ SAY WHERE IT IS FROM AND DON'T BE A *****!!!!!

DustyPorViva · #32 09-16-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sssssssssss

WHERE IS THAT FROM DUSTY?! I've never seen that on graal!!!! PLZ SAY WHERE IT IS FROM AND DON'T BE A *****!!!!!

It's not from Graal and it's not from a server, hence the problem. He doesn't want Graal claiming legal rights to something of his just because someone decides to steal and upload it to their server.

Why is this so complicated? If you didn't argue and you didn't try to make other people look bad this would have ended a long time ago.

salesman · #33 09-16-2010, 03:18 AM

Looking forward to Amageddon

sssssssssss · #34 09-16-2010, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by salesman

Looking forward to Amageddon

Keep going man. Looks like Rufus and Dusty and this other dude are in some weird illegal **** or something but they wont say... a PWA will handel that though...I can explain it plainly to a PWA.

Decus_Arillias · #35 09-16-2010, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

His graphics:

wow where from? what server?

sssssssssss · #36 09-16-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Precise

And what are we looking for?

We're looking for why this is a problem. Dusty and Rufus know why. Why won't they tell us?! Are they hiding something to make us look like ****?!

Cling · #37 09-16-2010, 03:15 AM

Because they are my images, and for my personal projects. They were never meant to touch Graal Online servers, due to their inherent proposition you lose all rights to your own work.

Last time I was probably on these forums was over 10 years ago, and I still don't like it's atmosphere.

I do not wish for you to get shut down, or get harassed. The jist of it, I want my work totally removed, all copies and edits.

- Beholder

Decus_Arillias · #38 09-16-2010, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cling

Because they are my images, and for my personal projects. They were never meant to touch Graal Online servers, due to their inherent proposition you lose all rights to your own work.

Last time I was probably on these forums was over 10 years ago, and I still don't like it's atmosphere.

I do not wish for you to get shut down, or get harassed. The jist of it, I want my work totally removed, all copies and edits.

- Beholder

funny most of these images were given from a email from a close friend, i dont know how you can prove these images are yours

Precise · #39 09-16-2010, 03:19 AM

Yes, it's from Graal. The same engine, too. You guys are hiding behind something that you're too cowardly to admit. You guys are more in the wrong then any of the people staffed on Armageddon.

DustyPorViva · #40 09-16-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Precise

Yes, it's from Graal. The same engine, too. You guys are hiding behind something that you're too cowardly to admit. You guys are more in the wrong then any of the people staffed on Armageddon.

Hmm? It's Beholder's, and he made the graphics. I'm pretty sure that's the main point here. Yes, see, you can try to wonder where they came from but that's moot because they're not Armageddon's to use, regardless of where they came from.