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Old 10-12-2009, 10:29 PM
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i think it's ludicrous that this isn't a suggestion thread for what should be on the website as made by the hard working employees of CJ, not a suggestion thread asking players to create the website for them. i'm sure i could create an HTML-site that gets the real point across of what graal is without any fancy buttons or navigation, and it would sell graal better than the current site, but that isn't the point - this is CJ's game, CJ's website, CJ's production, not ours. if they have time to create games for the ipod and other 3rd party enterprises, then they have time to create a quality website for graal. if we're expected to put time into the game "for the fun of it" so should they be expected to help out for fun of it, in addition for the money being paid by the customers

and what is there to be better about the website anyhow? sure it's confusing, but it's a good example of the disarray that is graal currently - we don't even have a solid answer for whether this is a MMORPG or a development platform, and saying "it's both" just confuses people - they want content to play on and people to talk **** too, the minority wants development tools

frankly, if we have time to put effort into making the website better, then we should be putting that time into creating some quality content to show graal's good qualities before we even get to fixing the website or advertising the game. and don't give me some bull**** excuse about how "projects are coming along" and "people have other projects to work on" or that "this is more important so we can get more developers first" because that isn't what will happen. developers don't get drawn into a platform because of a fancy website; they get drawn in by the quality of the games presented by the platform. likewise for players, they don't play WOW because it has an awesome fancy-looking website, they play because of the content on the servers

my god; graal is going in the wrong direction constantly, and the lack of any leadership and support from CJ is just ridiculous
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:31 PM
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i think it's ludicrous that this isn't a suggestion thread for what should be on the website as made by the hard working employees of CJ, not a suggestion thread asking players to create the website for them. i'm sure i could create an HTML-site that gets the real point across of what graal is without any fancy buttons or navigation, and it would sell graal better than the current site, but that isn't the point - this is CJ's game, CJ's website, CJ's production, not ours. if they have time to create games for the ipod and other 3rd party enterprises, then they have time to create a quality website for graal. if we're expected to put time into the game "for the fun of it" so should they be expected to help out for fun of it, in addition for the money being paid by the customers

and what is there to be better about the website anyhow? sure it's confusing, but it's a good example of the disarray that is graal currently - we don't even have a solid answer for whether this is a MMORPG or a development platform, and saying "it's both" just confuses people - they want content to play on and people to talk **** too, the minority wants development tools

frankly, if we have time to put effort into making the website better, then we should be putting that time into creating some quality content to show graal's good qualities before we even get to fixing the website or advertising the game. and don't give me some bull**** excuse about how "projects are coming along" and "people have other projects to work on" or that "this is more important so we can get more developers first" because that isn't what will happen. developers don't get drawn into a platform because of a fancy website; they get drawn in by the quality of the games presented by the platform. likewise for players, they don't play WOW because it has an awesome fancy-looking website, they play because of the content on the servers

my god; graal is going in the wrong direction constantly, and the lack of any leadership and support from CJ is just ridiculous
Well, you should understand that this isn't coming from CJ, this is coming from me and I am not part of CJ, I am just part of Graal. I do not consider myself to be an employee of CJ, nor should my announcements be considered. They are simply an announcement from Graal administration, not CJ, and they are not necessarily approved by Stefan/unixmad.

Also, I don't think you understand just how important a first impression truly is (a website). If someone has a website that is just not navigational, the person will just leave the website and never turn back. People don't want to jump through hoops to get the client.
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Old 10-13-2009, 12:02 AM
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Well, you should understand that this isn't coming from CJ, this is coming from me and I am not part of CJ, I am just part of Graal. I do not consider myself to be an employee of CJ, nor should my announcements be considered. They are simply an announcement from Graal administration, not CJ, and they are not necessarily approved by Stefan/unixmad.

Also, I don't think you understand just how important a first impression truly is (a website). If someone has a website that is just not navigational, the person will just leave the website and never turn back. People don't want to jump through hoops to get the client.

You expect people to see things your way, yet you can't do the same for others?

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Would you enter the shop like this: hey guys, your last shipments were very bad, can I help out here for a while?

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