Seriously.. Wtf?

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Vima

For your information; I am well educated in that area, but I do not have an business management degree, but planning on studying that on an University in Switzerland soon.
Thats the problem with you and many others, you think that all people who play Graal is some 15year old fat kid who have no idea about anything;
Most of us are older than 18 and many people have/is studying at the university/college.

Then send Unixmad a professional business proposal.

Originally Posted by Vima

Problem is; Valikoria have and has been on the Classic tab for many years.
There are various servers under construction, who are in the shadow.
If they would visit the servers constantly and check out the progress/keep in track of the servers;
Yes I do think it would inspire a lot of developers to work harder.
It might be hard for you, who works on an classic tab server, to understand that.

I don't understand why it's any different for Classic developers. We use the same tools, do the same things, spend the same amount of time, etc. We seem to get things done without Stefan logging on and telling us we're doing a good job. The last time I remember a global frequently logging on was about a year ago. PFA, I believe, logged on frequently, because he liked our RC conversations, or something like that.

As a developer, I would be happy if Stefan told me I was doing a great job, but me working wouldn't be contingent on it. True developers work because they like to, and some even take in to consideration wanting to entertain players. They don't do it to get a cookie from Stefan. That's what I'm wanting to get at, here.

Originally Posted by Vima

Most of us have been playing Graal since it was before p2p.
We see how Graal is constantly losing players, we are worried!
We want nothing more than the best for Graal.

I would like more players, too. I remember when Valikorlia had an average playercount of 50-70 players. I attribute the downgrade more to advancement in the industry, than to lack of content. There's plenty of content on Graal. There's more and better content elsewhere on the internet. But, I don't want Graal to turn in to some fancy MMO (if that would ever happen). Creating better content can bring in some players, but Graal is as unlikely to return to its heyday as the DOW is to return to 14,000. Creating better content, however, isn't Stefan's responsibility. Why are you shortchanging developers? Why are you skipping them? Take your concerns to each server. If you want a new server, then gather up some money and make one.

Originally Posted by Vima

and I would just like to add that Unholy Nation is a great example:
A few years ago before this new trial system, UN had loads of Trials.
Maybe about 30-40% of the players were trials,
in the past years they have lost almost half of their population and today it's almost rare to see a trial.
Is this a coincidence or what?

It's probably because of observer mode. I don't log in to non-Classic servers, because I hate observer mode. I would prefer if the old trial system was brought back. But saving progress isn't as important on Valikorlia as it is on other servers. Either way, not having to upgrade your account is a horrible idea, business-wise, for GraalOnline. It could be done, but the costs have to be redistributed, which means higher costs for developers.

[Vima]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I don't understand why it's any different for Classic developers. We use the same tools, do the same things, spend the same amount of time, etc. We seem to get things done without Stefan logging on and telling us we're doing a good job. The last time I remember a global frequently logging on was about a year ago. PFA, I believe, logged on frequently, because he liked our RC conversations, or something like that.

As a developer, I would be happy if Stefan told me I was doing a great job, but me working wouldn't be contingent on it. True developers work because they like to, and some even take in to consideration wanting to entertain players. They don't do it to get a cookie from Stefan. That's what I'm wanting to get at, here.

Progress on the classsic tab servers, Valikoria, N-Pulse, UN etc is really slow, a heck lot slower than on some UC servers.
But the thing is that the classic tab servers have allready achieved their goal;
Get to the classic tab.
For servers on the classic tab it's relatively easy to get staff, there are many under construction servers who only have three or four staff.
I often see servers with potential die after 3-5 months.
I think if they would be more interested in whats going on in their game, keep in track of the servers... build a bond, inspecting servers faster, communicate with the people ... after all this is a very small community.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Vima

Progress on the classsic tab servers, Valikoria, N-Pulse, UN etc is really slow, a heck lot slower than on some UC servers.

If UC servers are developing content quickly, yet not making it to the Classic tab, then their content obviously isn't good enough.

Originally Posted by Vima

For servers on the classic tab it's relatively easy to get staff, there are many under construction servers who only have three or four staff.

This is Stefan and Unixmad's faults? This is Classic servers' faults? No and no. Advertise, show your potential, treat your staff well, and you'll be just a good as a Classic server. I should mention that Valikorlia has maybe five active developers at any given time. It doesn't take an army to make a server.

The only benefit Classic server have -- at least, Valikorlia has -- is that we are able to retain our old playerbase, those with Lifetime Classic that don't have to upgrade on a regular basis. Once these players go away, we'll all be in the same boat. Hopefully by then costs will have decreased.

Originally Posted by Vima

I think if they would be more interested in whats going on in their game, keep in track of the servers... build a bond, inspecting servers faster, communicate with the people ... after all this is a very small community.

And if mountains were made of rock candy and rivers chocolate, the world would be so happy and fun. If a server needs to be coddled to produce content, then they don't deserve to be given a passing glance. Put some elbow grease in to it, submit a request for a server inspection, and see if your hard work paid off.