Seriously.. Wtf?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

How is that ironic? There should be more players than developers. Do you understand the concept of a game engine/development platform at all?

You pay to play the game because it costs money to host the game, among other costs that the owners have. Developers pay to develop for that same reason. The reason why it costs so much is because there aren't many players, but hosting costs have either stayed the same or have increased.

Feel free to conjecture about why there are less players, but the fact remains that if any of you bothered to make a great server yourself, then maybe you'd be able to draw in more players. Stop placing the blame on Stefan and other GraalOnline staffers.

for a person who sits comfortably on valikorlia, you sure do have a lot of opinions on the workings of graal as a whole. you also don't seem to understand that val is not a user-friendly environment, nor is it drawing in new players, so while you try to make graal a less player-oriented place, you also don't try to make players like the game. you're perception is too biased an opinion to make any difference in this conversation, and constantly stating that "everything is fine, shut up" won't win. when was the last time you gave graal money to develop?

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Anyways, speak for yourself. I don't need Stefan to log on to Valikorlia and give me a motivational speech, for me to improve the server. If you do, then that sucks for you. Stefan has better things to do than baby a community that's perfectly capable of doing things for itself.

If you don't like the way development works, then leave. It's that simple. If you enjoy it, then stay. If you can't afford it, then that sucks for you; go bug server staff to make better servers, bring more players in, and thus decrease upgrade costs. The energy you people are putting in to shouting at anyone but the separate servers' staff is energy wasted.

yea, let's take a scattered assortment of developers and make them run the entire game themselves, while at the same time reducing the player count and not putting out anything content (and really, how many new players has valikorlia brought in recently?)

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I think you guys are starting to put words into Stefan's mouth, considering you've extended his post into quite a few threads and pages now.

The main premise being that Stefan doesn't give a ****.

Also accounts are free.. subscriptions are not but I guess we were supposed to assume that's what you meant.

Even with a trial account you can pretty much experience every listed server Graal has to offer, provided you can put up with observer mode on Classic servers and the limits placed on Gold servers.

Couldn't really do that when trial accounts were reset every time you logged out.

So as Lone said..

i've been going on the same premise the entire time, which is that graal, being a development platform, means that the community itself has to generate the content to get new players to play, as well as pay for graal to operate. i don't have any insight to whether stefan cares about graal or not, that isn't really my concern, but it's clear that we're to be making the content because he hasn't taken any action on making any player-specific updates in awhile

that said, going on with what vima said, servers really could use some support in getting through. the GDT is formed but who knows if that will progress anything into a new classic server, and eventually updates for the client and developer tools will be out, but who knows if that will produce any solid content

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Hiro

for a person who sits comfortably on valikorlia, you sure do have a lot of opinions on the workings of graal as a whole.

Because Valikorlia isn't part of Graal?

Originally Posted by Hiro

you also don't seem to understand that val is not a user-friendly environment, nor is it drawing in new players, so while you try to make graal a less player-oriented place, you also don't try to make players like the game.

We're drawing in plenty of new players, actually. Our problem is keeping all the old players that are going to college, getting jobs, etc.

And I don't understand why you're saying I'm trying to make Graal a "less player-oriented place". Developers are very much centered on making players happy. If you argue this vehemently to them, rather than to Stefan, then maybe some of the content you want would be created. But I've told you this at least five times; you must not believe me. Oh well.

Originally Posted by Hiro

you're perception is too biased an opinion to make any difference in this conversation, and constantly stating that "everything is fine, shut up" won't win.

How am I biased? Because I work on Graal's only unique server? Well, hey, guess what! Valikorlia has developers. I am one of them. Valikorlia has players, too. I am one of them.

Originally Posted by Hiro

yea, let's take a scattered assortment of developers and make them run the entire game themselves, while at the same time reducing the player count and not putting out anything content (and really, how many new players has valikorlia brought in recently?)

Uh... what do you think we've been doing for five, six, seven years now? Are you under some illusion that developers haven't been running the game all this time?

Also, the swipes against Valikorlia are so cliche. Find something new to whine about.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Also, the swipes against Valikorlia are so cliche. Find something new to whine about.

you'd think with so much complaining about valikorlia that it might be true

maybe not

it's useless to keep trying to make the same points against you since you don't seem to view the other side of this problem [i]at all[i/]