Testing Server

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And there are rules... but do you know what sort of moderation effort it takes to maintain such a huge database of scripts and scripters? Managers can hardly manage servers with a very small staff in comparison, with much more limited rights, yet alone a whole server dedicated to giving just about every person nearly unlimited rights...

This post of yours pretty much exemplifies why although well-intentioned, the testbed server probably shouldn't exist as it currently exists. It's like anything else: If you can't take care of it properly, why create it?

Many server managers just opt on a personal level not to manage properly, in many cases even with ample assistance to do so. That's a personal problem and is not justification for not properly moderating testbed (see the misinformed argument: "Everyone else does it this way so we'll just call it a standard even if it's wrong.")

And I really don't see where your theory of unlimited rights comes from. More folder rights than a person would normally get -- yes, without a doubt. Unlimited rights (whereby classifying everyone as an administrator) -- certainly not. If this is how it is currently being done on testbed, then again, that amounts to being managerial inadequacy (no offense intended of course).

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Cloven

This post of yours pretty much exemplifies why although well-intentioned, the testbed server probably shouldn't exist as it currently exists. It's like anything else: If you can't take care of it properly, why create it?

Many server managers just opt on a personal level not to manage properly, in many cases even with ample assistance to do so. That's a personal problem and is not justification for not properly moderating testbed (see the misinformed argument: "Everyone else does it this way so we'll just call it a standard even if it's wrong.")

And I really don't see where your theory of unlimited rights comes from. More folder rights than a person would normally get -- yes, without a doubt. Unlimited rights (whereby classifying everyone as an administrator) -- certainly not. If this is how it is currently being done on testbed, then again, that amounts to being managerial inadequacy (no offense intended of course).

Scripting can yield pretty much more rights than most of the rights RC does. Hell, a single person with a level can use scripts to do a lot more than a person with RC can. So while they might not have rights on RC, they certainly have the power to do more than the average GP has the power to do. Everyone also get personal folders for just about every thing(levels, heads, graphics and so on).

And Testbed, from my knowledge is being managed fine. Yes, people abuse it. Yes, people waste space with silly staff scripts. But all of that stuff is moderated as soon as possible. Immediately? No. But what server can do such a thing? Testbed hasn't blown up and it was a huge benefit to me, and I'm sure many scripters.

I don't understand where you get the idea that testbed isn't being taken care of properly, especially if you have never used it? If anything goes wrong, Tig has always been just an IM away(or on GK) and he usually gets on immediately. I haven't used it in a while though, so I'm not sure how many people were put in charge of moderating, however.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't understand where you get the idea that testbed isn't being taken care of properly, especially if you have never used it?

Perhaps I need to clarify: Testbed only is not being taken care of properly if the moderation time is unacceptable. There are only so many players on Graal, let alone players who want to learn to develop. As I've said before, so long as the bad eggs are weeded out the need for stringent moderation should decrease, making the job of those who do moderate Testbed easier (and not such a surmounting task as you made it out to be in an earlier post).

On a side note, one does not need to use Testbed to understand what amounts to being commonsense. I've managed, administrated, or consulted for close to half the classic servers at one point or another and I've been around since 2000, so lets not pretend that I'm looking at things from the perspective of some fly-by-nighter.

Hope that helps some.