Operations Merge & Debug Server

[Matt]

I am sure that all of you are familiar with the Operations team. Some of you have supported it, while others have called the act of founding it a ridiculous and unnecessary act. Well those people are going to love this.

The Operations team will be merging into the Main server development staff.

Why? Because we do not currently have the funds to keep the Debug server afloat... so we're losing it for a good length of time into the foreseeable future.

However, I want to take some time out to give thanks to Novice and Matt, who made Operations team a success.

I am merging the Operations team because rebirth will now be developed on the main server, separate from game play (for now) and it will become extremely confusing having Operations and mainserver staff develop, it's easier to revert back to the centralized system and shift attention to the main server. Leaving the ET devs to attend to the main server development.

It is possible Operations will unmerge once Project Rebirth is unmerged and we have a debug server open and running again.

-Management

Quoted directly from Chang at the N-Pulse Website.

[Darlene159]

Aw, if I had extra money, I would sure pay to keep debug up for you guys.
Looking forward in seeing progress.

[papajchris]

Thats kinda bad that stefan won't give you a free one. As i recall, Zodiac's is free and so are a couple other servers?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Thats kinda bad that stefan won't give you a free one. As i recall, Zodiac's is free and so are a couple other servers?

Era's is, but it was a pain in the ass to get. Personally, I don't support giving one to N-Pulse. I wouldn't mind if it was for developing N-Pulse, but the "rebirth" project is not N-Pulse; it's an RPG, and in my opinion from seeing a small bit of it, it was way too different. They're using N-Pulse's name to propel themselves onto the classic tab.

Anyway, good luck.

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Era's is, but it was a pain in the ass to get. Personally, I don't support giving one to N-Pulse. I wouldn't mind if it was for developing N-Pulse, but the "rebirth" project is not N-Pulse; it's an RPG, and in my opinion from seeing a small bit of it, it was way too different. They're using N-Pulse's name to propel themselves onto the classic tab.

Anyway, good luck.

How are we using N-Pulse's name to propel onto the classic tab? We are on the classic tab already and it is an update to the server that re-does everything to the server in a direction that we feel is needed.

In your logic you think we should have to start off from scratch as a private server and work our way up even tho we are one of the longest standing servers on Graal.

Edit: In my opinion if one classic tab server gets a free debug server the rest should because otherwise it seems like they're paying favoritism. If one gets it all should otherwise none should to make it level playing ground for the rest of the classic servers.
N-Pulse has spent ALOT of money when it comes to creating Rebirth and we should have been the 1st server to get a free debug server. Why does Era need one all there is to do is shoot people or mine why on earth do you need a debug server to develop guns? I mean c'mon we're actually DOING something to better the server and totally revamp the whole thing and we have to pay out of our pockets but the server that all you can do is play "ganksta" they get a free one. Logic fails on that ruling.

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

In your logic you think we should have to start off from scratch as a private server and work our way up even tho we are one of the longest standing servers on Graal.

It's kinda like if Era decided it wanted to have a new server dedicated to prehistoric dino riding. Just because it's under the Era name it doesn't mean this dino riding should be given preference.

What 'Rebirth' claims to be doing is a rather big leap from the Classic N-Pulse.

[SlikRick]

But isn't that one of the perks of being Manager of a server? If something isn't working out you totally revamp with a whole new concept?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

How are we using N-Pulse's name to propel onto the classic tab? We are on the classic tab already and it is an update to the server that re-does everything to the server in a direction that we feel is needed.

You can't redo everything except the name, or it won't be N-Pulse. Both Era and Zodiac are working on some kind of "2.0" project, but unlike N-Pulse, the base of the server is exactly the same, but with improved gameplay.

In your logic you think we should have to start off from scratch as a private server and work our way up even tho we are one of the longest standing servers on Graal.

That's exactly what I am suggesting. Any other server would have to do the same thing. If you were truly improving N-Pulse, rather than creating a new server, than it would be understandable to not have to, but going from a classic server to a Zodiac-like server? No.

Edit: In my opinion if one classic tab server gets a free debug server the rest should because otherwise it seems like they're paying favoritism. If one gets it all should otherwise none should to make it level playing ground for the rest of the classic servers.

I wouldn't be opposed to N-Pulse getting one, if it was used to develop N-Pulse, which it wouldn't be.

Why does Era need one all there is to do is shoot people or mine why on earth do you need a debug server to develop guns? I mean c'mon we're actually DOING something to better the server and totally revamp the whole thing and we have to pay out of our pockets but the server that all you can do is play "ganksta" they get a free one. Logic fails on that ruling.

Way to make yourself look completely ignorant.

Originally Posted by SlikRick

But isn't that one of the perks of being Manager of a server? If something isn't working out you totally revamp with a whole new concept?

You can't "revamp a server with a whole new concept" without creating another server. A private server could, indeed, but not a classic or hosted one. If Atrius or whatever other server is hosted right now decided to completely change their game (e.g. from modern to Pokemon), should they be allowed to remain hosted?

[Bell]

I can't really speak for the other free dev servers but I can for Zodiacs. Yens scripts were so fragile that everytime anyone tried to add/improve anything it would crash the server. When the baddies took on a mind of their own, Stefan asked that they make then test any improvements on dev then migrate them. There should still be several of you out there that commonly said, "Zodiac must be adding something, all the servers just crashed.

It normally ends up going by extreme need to get a free one. If you can show Stefan an actual need and a timeframe of need, he's usually more inclined to grant one.

[fowlplay4]

Getting a Dev Server was the only good thing calani did for Zodiac.

Good luck getting one :P

[SlikRick]

So instead of doing something that management thinks is best, which is where Rebirth comes into play, we should have to goto a private server? That's the perk of being on the classic tab once you get onto the classic tab you can do whatever you feel is best for the server without having to go through all the crap the rest of the new servers are.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

So instead of doing something that management thinks is best, which is where Rebirth comes into play, we should have to goto a private server? That's the perk of being on the classic tab once you get onto the classic tab you can do whatever you feel is best for the server without having to go through all the crap the rest of the new servers are.

I've bolded an important part of what you said. You're not doing work on N-Pulse, you're creating a new server under the name of N-Pulse.

[SlikRick]

You don't know what all is happening when it comes to Rebirth as well as the storyline being implemented onto it so I do not expect you to understand.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

You don't know what all is happening when it comes to Rebirth as well as the storyline being implemented onto it so I do not expect you to understand.

Well, from what I saw when I worked on N-Pulse, you were creating an RPG server, with a new/modified tileset.
Doesn't sound like N-Pulse to me, unless you want to expand on what is happening?

[Matt]

This was just supposed to be a typical announcement.

[The_Kez]

Just for the sake of clearing things up for people who have clearly become confused about what is going on with Rebirth, judging by the arguments which are being made against it;

The notion that we are creating a new server under the name of N-Pulse is complete nonsense. I've said before, and hopefully I won't have to say again, because if I do I think these arguments are being put forward for reasons other then constructive criticism: No content from N-Pulse is being removed. EVERYTHING which is currently on N-Pulse will remain on N-Pulse Rebirth.

Trying to make an argument that an entirely new server is being developed is disingenuous at best. There is an expansion of content which will take place upon the public release of Rebirth. It will not interfere with the gameplay of those who choose to do nothing aside from play classic events, idle in level2, spar, and guild war, just like we do on N-Pulse currently.

Where the new content comes in is if people decide they have had enough of idling, and want to see N-Pulse finally move forward. Events will remain classic, sparring will remain classic, guild wars will be optionally classic, and the classic PK levels will remain.

Rebirth is allowing for a multitude of quests, playability, new PvP, and much more, most importantly an economy that is actually stable. Those who don't want to take part in that will not be required to.

If anyone continues to make the argument that we are creating an entirely new server on Rebirth which is not N-Pulse, I would call it criticism, but I would hope no one would continue to consider it constructive.

[Elk]

A small advice, don't do the same mistake like Atlantis.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Elk

A small advice, don't do the same mistake like Atlantis.

And what did they do?