CTF. Nough Said.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

actually, classic is a great server. i don't know why people don't play it more often. it'd be really fun if it had a high playercount

There's no hat economy and 100 lame npc's to trap most of graals playerbase in.

Not to mention it wasn't heavily content filled with quests/miniquests or didnt have many items (I mean real items and not lame magic spells)

[BlackSolider]

Wow thanks to heroin + rufus bickering my thread is being destroyed.

Can we get back on track and get some positive input on how to make this idea work? Someone answer my question about what times would be good to attempt this.

[MysticX2X]

say wut

[James]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

say wut

wat did u say?!

[ff7chocoboknight]

Mystic, are you saying that there should be a hat economy and 100s of useless NPCs to lame with? Because if that's the case you shouldn't be working on Classic at all. You should be on US with everyone else.

[MysticX2X]

No, I am not suggesting that.

I just said that's what attracts most of graals playerbase.

[ff7chocoboknight]

I didn't know that people went on servers just so they can buy hats instead of just setting them.

[MysticX2X]

so they can make profit off them to buy other items or hats. It's an economy. Not to mention UN has exclusive hats. (And stolen)

[BlackSolider]

Shut up and talk about what times we could attempt the ctf madness.

[MysticX2X]

There's not much point, really. As you have said before, the server is subject to be wiped soon so I don't know who would script a new CTF on whatever systems there will be after.

Saturday nights are probably the most ideal times.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

There's not much point, really. As you have said before, the server is subject to be wiped soon so I don't know who would script a new CTF on whatever systems there will be after.

I don't see why they can't keep the more popular hit detection for CTF, existing movement system and the existing CTF/GC systems up (and on the actual players) so that Gladius can do something like this for short-term fun?

[fa12]

Well i'm game to help host.

As for this time dealy...I'm too lazy to get too technical with this but here's my input. Alright why not host it early than the monthly is? The monthly here in cali starts 4pm and like 12am(London) w.e why not start earlier? lets say in cali the ctf madness started at 8am it would be like 4pm, and for other people it might be a good time aswell idk just thought i'd try and be a bit helpful lol

[BlackSolider]

Ok I guess I have some bad news for 33 of you (granted I would like to know who the other 3 are but hey w/e, you're entitled to your own opinion.)

Well it seems that since a 'server wipe' is coming up in the near future (not sure of all the details, but it seems a lot of the server systems are gonna be taken down and rebuilt. the key profile stats should be kept in tact. not sure about the levels, though i imagine a downsize is likely,) so this CTF idea will have to wait for a while. The systems that CTF uses, along with some useful stuff that is used by either the server or GCs, are going to be part of the group that is being rebuilt. Apparently the "old systems" can't be kept up so ctf is playable while new ones are being built for everything else (thor and/or storm, feel free to correct this if I'm wrong.)

So, a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo aside, this CTF idea won't happen until all the necessary systems are rebuilt. Will it be quick? Will ctf be better after it is completed? One can hope.

Until then, gl with w/e you all are doing with your free time.

-Glad

[James]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Ok I guess I have some bad news for 33 of you (granted I would like to know who the other 3 are but hey w/e, you're entitled to your own opinion.)

Well it seems that since a 'server wipe' is coming up in the near future (not sure of all the details, but it seems a lot of the server systems are gonna be taken down and rebuilt. the key profile stats should be kept in tact. not sure about the levels, though i imagine a downsize is likely,) so this CTF idea will have to wait for a while. The systems that CTF uses, along with some useful stuff that is used by either the server or GCs, are going to be part of the group that is being rebuilt. Apparently the "old systems" can't be kept up so ctf is playable while new ones are being built for everything else (thor and/or storm, feel free to correct this if I'm wrong.)

So, a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo aside, this CTF idea won't happen until all the necessary systems are rebuilt. Will it be quick? Will ctf be better after it is completed? One can hope.

Until then, gl with w/e you all are doing with your free time.

-Glad

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by James

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

Because Thor has always been hellbent on ruining people's fun. The only way Graal is fun for him is when he is making someone else fkin miserable. How sad is he?

[James]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Because Thor has always been hellbent on ruining people's fun. The only way Graal is fun for him is when he is making someone else fkin miserable. How sad is he?

ok well i've just been informed classic has a dev server, so may i ask...

WTF??

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by James

why can't you just use the old movement system in the ctf levels only? i don't understand why we can't play because you have to rebuild everything.

I asked and apparently it is either A) not possible to have two different movement (+everything else) systems working, or B) that management simply doesn't want it to happen. Regardless whichever it actually is, it doesn't seem that this idea is going to happen any time soon.

Do note that I'm a mere reporter; I have very little knowledge of systems+scripts+other technical mumbo jumbo.

[Luda]

I think this is an excuse to stop us from having fun, considering Thor is the Anti Christ.

[fa12]

Originally Posted by Luda

I think this is an excuse to stop us from having fun, considering Thor is the Anti Christ.

he's also the Anti Poon

[MysticX2X]

The current systems are pretty hard to work with, so you really can't keep them while trying to develop. Not too sure of the specifics.

Not sure of this 'whole new' gc system though.

[Rufus]

This is pissing me off now. I still don't see any reason why this can not happen, there is absolutely nothing against it, and I'd like to see someone actually prove otherwise. It doesn't need rescripting, the systems would not conflict anything they're making unless they're using the same awful naming conventions which I'd hope they aren't, and it wouldn't have a conflict of interest to the future of the server.

[Luda]

Didn't Classic at one point have more than one movement system while under Thor's control?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Luda

Didn't Classic at one point have more than one movement system while under Thor's control?

It has happened since the server started with all of this custom stuff. Massokre had a movement, damage and hit detection system up while people were using Storm's systems, Hell Raven had a movement system up at the same time as we all used Massokre's and used it, Ibonic had his own hit detection system up, Thor has had his own hit detection system up, and Kat has had his own movement system up, etc etc.

[mistral_007]

Originally Posted by Rufus

It has happened since the server started with all of this custom stuff. Massokre had a movement, damage and hit detection system up while people were using Storm's systems, Hell Raven had a movement system up at the same time as we all used Massokre's and used it, Ibonic had his own hit detection system up, Thor has had his own hit detection system up, and Kat has had his own movement system up, etc etc.

I wanna have a movement system and be cool too.

[ffcmike]

Some people are way over-reacting here,
or terribly misinformed,
it should be obvious that the wipe was planned before this whole CTF idea,
it's not a deliberate attempt to spoil everyones fun,
such conspiracy theories do make me chuckle though.

Nobody has said this can't or won't happen,
if anything I have explained to those who have personally asked me about it that i'd like it to happen,
but as far as systems go, it's not just a simple case of re-uploading them,
the main systems that have been in use for the last several years are not "pluggable",
they're not made in such a way that you can easily pick and choose which parts you want to use and which parts you do not, if this wasn't the case the systems probably wouldn't be being remade from scratch but instead re-worked gradually.

Now yeah, there has been several different movement systems on the server over the years, but only one of those were compatable with CTF,
and there would be some inconveniences as a result of having the mess of "remove entire set of new systems from player -> apply entire set of old systems to player",
i'm not saying it can't be done, just would require some time to re-work it,
otherwise the server would just end up with the same problems it does now,
but then it's not just CTF and Movement systems, it's everything,
Staff System, Boots, Tools are examples of things that would need to be re-worked for this aswell, but is it really wise to develop for 2 different sets of systems?
It would be much wiser to make everything properly so you can have stuff work regardless of systems.

Also i'll mention that the whole GC System mentioned by Mystic was actually referring to the idea of having a System to flexibly be used by all Team Events,
so this would also include stuff like KoM, WaW, Battlegrounds etc,
instead of spending time remaking team controls every time a new team event is made,
this would speed up Development of Team Events, but also offer improvements such as Teams being able to select their own Guild Tag and perhaps even nick colour for an event.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

terribly misinformed

lol..

Originally Posted by ffcmike

but as far as systems go, it's not just a simple case of re-uploading them,
the main systems that have been in use for the last several years are not "pluggable",
they're not made in such a way that you can easily pick and choose which parts you want to use and which parts you do not

Originally Posted by ffcmike

and there would be some inconveniences as a result of having the mess of "remove entire set of new systems from player -> apply entire set of old systems to player"

Nobody is asking for pluggable systems, nobody is asking for the majority of what was on Classic, they're asking for the systems that are needed that are surrounding the playability of CTF. 90 percent of the scripts that are on Classic are not needed in order for people to play CTF as they did. It is incredibly easy to add and remove systems from players, hell people have had servers that contained multiple sub-servers each with their own systems so it's not really an inconvenience either. I'd like to know how it isn't that easy, because after talking to several people I think it is.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

require some time to re-work it,
otherwise the server would just end up with the same problems it does now,
but then it's not just CTF and Movement systems, it's everything

I don't see why anything needs reworking aside from differentiating what a player is doing and what systems that player needs to do what they're doing. CTF has no problems right now, and that's all that people were asking for. There are systems that need to be up in order for people to play that very same CTF, yes, but that's not a problem.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Staff System, Boots, Tools are examples of things that would need to be re-worked for this aswell

They don't need reworking as they actually work with the systems. They might not work with the new systems, but I don't see where they come into play here as they shouldn't be having any effect on the CTF games at all.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

but is it really wise to develop for 2 different sets of systems?
It would be much wiser to make everything properly so you can have stuff work regardless of systems.

No one is asking for major additional development to be made on old systems, they want minor changes made so that they can play the event in the short term, as opposed to..

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Also i'll mention that the whole GC System mentioned by Mystic was actually referring to the idea of having a System to flexibly be used by all Team Events,
so this would also include stuff like KoM, WaW, Battlegrounds etc,
instead of spending time remaking team controls every time a new team event is made,
this would speed up Development of Team Events, but also offer improvements such as Teams being able to select their own Guild Tag and perhaps even nick colour for an event.

Which would be mean that major development would be needed, but that's a far cry from what people are actually suggesting so that they can play.

[BlackSolider]

Thanks for clearing things up mr Thor.

Btw you spelled "color" wrong.

[ff7chocoboknight]

It's just a Brit thing. colour armour I don't know dictionary says it's wrong

[BlackSolider]

Sarcasm my good sir, sarcasm.

[MysticX2X]

Americanism.

[Luda]

hahahah

[DarkCloud_PK]

36 votes for yes? I'd like to see who the hell voted because it appears to just be bs.
A month or so ago, when the server was up, and running with CTF readily available, not one person logged on to play CTF. Yet all of you are going to log onto a crippled UC version of Classic to play CTF now? Bull.

Noone had played CTF continously for classics last month+ of being on classic tab. Everyone had moved onto different servers for reasons ranging from following friends who had left due to lack of content and slow speed of progression, to a certain guild simply trying to remove a chunk of players from the server to attack the current management and administration(sup Uncommon Society).

Tell me one reason that you want to play CTF now opposed to playing it when the server was actually on the Classic tab. I hope the development team takes the couple hours needed to make CTF available to the public and GCs for the short term, so I can see most of the people posting in this thread to come up with excuses why they're not going to log on and play.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Tell me one reason that you want to play CTF now opposed to playing it when the server was actually on the Classic tab. I hope the development team takes the couple hours needed to make CTF available to the public and GCs for the short term, so I can see most of the people posting in this thread to come up with excuses why they're not going to log on and play.

Why did people start listening to Michael Jackson after his death? Wasn't he the child****er before that?

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

Why did people start listening to Michael Jackson after his death? Wasn't he the child****er before that?

There was only a small portion of people who were truly against him because of that

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

A month or so ago, when the server was up, and running with CTF readily available, not one person logged on to play CTF. Yet all of you are going to log onto a crippled UC version of Classic to play CTF now? Bull.

Noone had played CTF continously for classics last month+ of being on classic tab. Everyone had moved onto different servers for reasons ranging from following friends who had left due to lack of content and slow speed of progression, to a certain guild simply trying to remove a chunk of players from the server to attack the current management and administration(sup Uncommon Society).

You must have a pretty short memory because people did play CTF before the server went down, there was just very few people interested in hosting events in general and an inactive GC administrator who didn't want to hire. You should especially remember, saying as you continuously advocated that he should hire, and when people hosted events they were the prime target for you to mess around in. In fact, the reason why a lot of us stopped playing on Classic was because of you abusing in the minor instances in which we did get events.

There is a difference between logging onto a server to play a few turns of an event you enjoyed on a few one-off nights, and constantly playing on a dead server with nothing to do in between events that are the prime target for abuse. Before the server was wiped clean 20+ people came online for one single game of CTF, and these people were just those that were online at the time. With that in mind, I hope the development team takes the couple hours needed to make CTF available to the public and GCs for the short term as well.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by Rufus

You must have a pretty short memory because people did play CTF before the server went down, there was just very few people interested in hosting events in general and an inactive GC administrator who didn't want to hire.

There was a game maybe once a week and barely got a 4v4 match, if that.
None of the conditions to playing have changed. In fact its gotten worse, theres less GCs now if any at all and there is no GC Admin.

Originally Posted by Rufus

You should especially remember, saying as they were the prime target for you to mess around in. In fact, the reason why a lot of us stopped playing on Classic was because of you abusing in the minor instances in which we did get events.

You're concerned about the one game where I gave myself a lot of health. This wasn't to abuse really, more of a test to see what Clel would do, any competent GC would have stopped the game immeadiately. While the horses were a bit much, a lot of people found it hilarious, besides the GC anyway.(including yourself, I remember you even asking me to give you speed from the broken speed droppable to cause trouble in Mystic's CTF's) The only time you reacted is when you were on the recieving end of the abuse, which was one game. Not one time before did you complain, so don't give me any bull. I sparingly even participated or went in the levels at all during the time span I am refering to(Classic's final month).

Originally Posted by Rufus

There is a difference between logging onto a server to play a few games from an event you enjoyed on a few one-off nights, and constantly playing on a dead server with nothing to do in between events that are the prime target for abuse. Before the server was wiped clean 20+ people came online for one single game of CTF, and these people were just those that were online at the time. With that in mind, I hope the development team takes the couple hours needed to make CTF available to the public and GCs for the short term as well.

20+ people came on to play CTF? Exaggerate much?
I was around the whole time, there was probably 1 to 2 games every 2 weeks, in which GCs struggled to maintain a 4v4 match, most of the time, they would end up either having to play themselves. Gladius had to do this multiple times, Mystic would more often than not use his alt account to play CTF to cover for a replacement, or for a game he could only get 7 people for, if that.

With that said, you still haven't told me what has changed that would make players magically participate in a CTF madness now, when it failed when the server wasnt even UC.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

There was a game maybe once a week and barely got a 4v4 match, if that.
None of the conditions to playing have changed. In fact its gotten worse, theres less GCs now if any at all and there is no GC Admin.

I don't think it was that bad, because most of the games in which you gave people (mainly me) horses there was more than 4 per side. However, this isn't really important as all it takes is 8 players, it's only once a month or whatever was being discussed, and it would only take one GC to host it. Gladius is trying to arrange it, so I think it'd be fair to assume that he would log on and host. Death has said in this thread that he would also host. The conditions between regularly hosting on a server and hosting once a month for a one-off event are way different.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

You're concerned about the one game where I gave myself a lot of health. This wasn't to abuse really, more of a test to see what Clel would do, any competent GC would have stopped the game immeadiately. While the horses were a bit much, a lot of people found it hilarious, besides the GC anyway.(including yourself, I remember you even asking me to give you speed from the broken speed droppable to cause trouble in Mystic's CTF's) The only time you reacted is when you were on the recieving end of the abuse, which was one game. Not one time before did you complain, so don't give me any bull. I sparingly even participated or went in the levels at all during the time span I am refering to(Classic's final month).

I'm not concerned about things like you abusing to be fair because it's hardly relevant and as far as I'm concerned, all in the past; that was just the push that made me stop playing. Regardless of these situations, it still highlights that the event was being hosted before the server adopted an "Under Construction" status, and that is what I was trying to get across.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

20+ people came on to play CTF? Exaggerate much?

No. The day before this thread was made, Gladius logged onto Unholy Nation and we were talking about CTF in GM's. He then decided to log onto Classic and was open to host it for anyone that wanted to play. 20-odd people came on (I think the peak was 23) and he hosted CTF Sumo X. After the game, Gladius crashed and people thought he wasn't coming back so they all logged off shortly after. That is what sparked off the idea of hosting CTF now and again, because there was a lot of interest and participation on that night.

[EclipsedAngel]

You can't have your matches anymore since it's deleted.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by EclipsedAngel

You can't have your matches anymore since it's deleted.

I'm sure backups exist of everything that existed before the wipe.

[MysticX2X]

Alright, both sides have decent points.

CTF didn't get that many people on the occasions it was hosted before it went down. In fact, in many ctf's not many people came and as a end result, many of those games were canceled. Both my matches and Gladius' as well, particularly since we were the most active gc's before Classic went down.

CTF is no doubt the best event on Classic, and the best type of CTF on graal. Though with Classic's lack of content and playercount, obviously we woulnd't see that many people coming on Classic to do something other than CTF as CTF isn't/shouldn't always be a planned event. I do believe 36 is a bit over exaggerated as I haven't seen 36 different people play ctf in the past 6 months, much less Classic.

I would hope for a CTF system to come back (with the addition of new gc systems), but don't get too impatient over it as I doubt both are even on the top half of classic's priority list as a new GC Admin hasn't been selected.