Era Needs Change...

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Frankie

when it comes to Era's economy, you have no idea what you're talking about.

auctioning off items is probably one of the most ineffective methods in an attempt to take money out of the economy. I've proved this several times before but nobody likes to listen to me.

money isn't the only thing offered in a trade these days. you may take 300k out of the economy by auctioning off an item, but what you fail to realize is that instead of that player having 300k in cash, he now has an item that's worth 300k which he can still use to trade for expensive items. in the end you're not really accomplishing anything.

if you really want to take money out of the economy you need to introduce items for players to buy that are non-durable, and make sure it's something that it's something that players will want to buy and constantly buy.

guns are durable goods. they last forever unless you destroy them which is unlikely to happen. you buy a gun for 100k, you'll always have that gun and it'll be worth 100k. grenades aren't durable goods. you use them and they're gone. if you spend 100k on grenades, eventually you'll use them all. you just spent 100k and after using all the grenades you no longer have 100k worth in grenades. this truly deletes 100k out of the economy instead of just replacing 100k with an item that's worth 100k.

pyro tech items are pretty much the perfect example of what I'm talking about. if you create multiple different money sinks where people spend their money on certain items and those items eventually are used up and disappear, there will be a greater effect on the money supply.

I don't believe that's true. Even if we auction off items for a certain price, who says that price can't go down? Like we proved before not all prices are set and they can change overtime. Who says the price of that item won't go down in the future since there's less money in the economy. While yes, usable items for only a limited amount of times is good it and perhaps the best way it isn't the only. Also, we've been adding non durable items into the EC shop since there has been a few problems in regards with EC as well.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

I don't believe that's true. Even if we auction off items for a certain price, who says that price can't go down? Like we proved before not all prices are set and they can change overtime. Who says the price of that item won't go down in the future since there's less money in the economy. While yes, usable items for only a limited amount of times is good it and perhaps the best way it isn't the only. Also, we've been adding non durable items into the EC shop since there has been a few problems in regards with EC as well.

are you going to use methods that might lower prices or use methods that will lower prices? I've seen the administration, numerous times, use the auction house as a method to remove money out of the economy before you probably even touched Era. I can guarantee that you're better off without it.

besides, I don't believe your theory is true either. lets stop using the word "price" and use the word "value" instead.

if players don't have the cash to buy a certain weapon, they will throw in other items in the trade to reach the value of the weapon they are buying. do you think players will actually think, "hey, there's less money in the economy! I'm going to sell my items for less now." not exactly.. if a player wants to sell his gun for 1 million, but nobody on the server has 1 million in cash, he's most likely going to accept maybe 600k and a bunch of other items to match the value of 1 million. it's basically the same thing.

what happened with the mp40 is sheer coincidence in my opinion. what about other guns that are more expensive than the mp40? how could your auctions effect only one gun but not other guns? it doesn't make sense at all.

but what really happened? CharlieM is exactly right. it only takes 1 person to screw up the price. if CharlieM advertises that he's selling an mp40 for 55k, then when the next person advertises that he's selling one for 200k, players will say, "well, some guy earlier was selling for 55k.." and then word of mouth goes around and eventually the price drops.

hypothetically speaking, if those auctions did in fact lower the price of the mp40, who says it can't go back up? what if the gun is buffed? the price will sky rocket. you can argue "who says the price can't go down?" but I can throw the same argument right back at you.

auctions are no good for the economy. but hey, I'm not in charge here. go ahead and do what you guys want, but I suggest you listen to what I have to say or else you're going to wind up screwing the economy after the reset since you guys think you have it all right.