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Old 06-30-2009, 03:25 AM
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Theres only effort being placed into "big changes" when there is a risk of bein removed, how does that not matter? Does the management need to be on the verge of removal every time we get attempts at change?




If you were concerned about the server as opposed to your position then why is this only happening now when ur on the edge of losing it?
It wouldn't really make a difference whether i've been told the server has gone UC but my position is 100 percent safe, or i've been told the server has gone UC and i'll be removed if I can't get enough done about it,
i'd be just as responsible either way, because I don't want to see it remain UC.
However, I think it does provide some advantages that could give us a better chance of applying change.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:27 AM
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Perhaps instead of 'nuke and rebuild', 'pull back and rebuild'? Cut the accesssable area down - Drop Destiny and anything only accessable through that, all the outlying islands, and most of the northern half of the main continent (Everything north of Supernick's, east of the section south of there, or west of Burger Refuge (except the Castle, which seems to already work :P), and block off Master Li's Woods and everything east of there perhaps?) - and focus on getting that working, for now. After that - and ONLY after that, and that includes breaking Zol's plumbing again :P - start fixing up an area adjacent to that, and release it when it's done. Effectively, cut Classic down and build outwards. That way, at least, you won't get to all the broken, empty areas and such.

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Old 06-30-2009, 03:28 AM
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Something strikes me as odd here. The entire thread contradicts what DC has been posting recently, and after seeing for myself how inactive the Management has been in the last few months I can only assume he's right.

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dev cant help without a scripting force, I'm one out of three and have to do admin work and some of the work of the management aswell(since they cant seem to do their own). The other 2/3's of the scripting team are AWOL(Thor and Storm). Classic's custom systems as well as Classic's 5 year infamy with administration and management tend to draw scripters away. There isn't a whole hell of a lot anyone can do anymore. Especially at the rate things need to be done. I have the two managers on one simple quest yet it has gone 2 months without much scripting done.
What I want to know is how this is all negated and why is everything being perceived as a great opportunity? Did you not support DC with scripting because you didn't agree with his direction, or was it because it wasn't your direction? Why did both yourself and Master Storm go AWOL even though the server was in a horrible state, yet you seem to be posting as though you have maximum concern for its well being? Why is it that since the Management Review you've only released one thing each, with Storm jumping straight in promoting a 'heavy activity' image, while yours was in spite of a comment I made about nothing being done? All of these things directly contradict what you've posted, and if you've suddenly had an epiphany then I'd question if it really is concerning the well being that sparked it off, more so your job being on the line.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:54 AM
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This thread is steering from it's original purpose is. In my opinion you should pm that person if you have some quarrel.

I'll get the thread back on track:
I think shaping the overworld fresh (keeping some of the old levels) is a great idea in addition to starting from default systems. Granted custom systems do have their advantages, but from personal experience, it can be terrible to try to script with them present since it's not documented very well. To even make a simple explosion wouldn't be too easy to figure out if youre some scripter new to classic.

Maybe hopefully when Classic resurfaces to the Classic Tab again it can be fresh and innovative while all the mistakes and problems it faces now can be melded down in UC. This might resurface the sparring community and the events/socializing community if things are done exactly right.

Only time can tell.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:02 AM
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This thread is steering from it's original purpose is. In my opinion you should pm that person if you have some quarrel.
No it's not, at all. This is a thread for the future direction of Classic, and I want to know why these two managers believe why they believe they can turn the server around and why now, especially since they've both done the complete opposite of what they have said they were going to do during the entire length of time that they've had their positions. There is no personal attacks here because nobody has "personally attacked" anyone. I proposed very straight forward and relevant questions; If they can't be answered, then that says a lot about the future of Classic with this administration. This thread should not be "what Bell wants to hear" which is how it started out, it should be the reality.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:07 AM
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This thread is steering from it's original purpose is.
And what exactly is the purpose? For Thor/Storm to come and make a few posts saying they have great things in store for Classic so Bell doesn't have to remove them from their positions? So that after a week, Classic can go back on the classic tab with nothing but more empty promises from the management?

That seems to be what the purpose of this thread is to me, and I don't like where it's going at all, so I would like to steer it as far from it's original purpose as possible.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:20 AM
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These threads never go anywhere. All some of you do is pick each other apart. Is that productive? No.
Stop it, and just give the management some ideas. Stop working backwards, and leave the past in the past. It is time to move FORWARD.
All your picking apart is NOT going to remove the management or any of the staff. You are only hurting the progression of the server, and yourselves.
If anyone has positive input, that's great! Help the server out. Give your ideas.
But for God's sake, stop picking each other apart because it is NOT helping.

I would love to see Classic just be Classic again, with the quests, and where guilds meant something. I know with all the new stuff, Classic will never be exactly the same, but the simplicity of it was what was so enjoyable.
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These threads never go anywhere. All some of you do is pick each other apart. Is that productive? No.
Stop it, and just give the management some ideas. Stop working backwards, and leave the past in the past. It is time to move FORWARD.
All your picking apart is NOT going to remove the management or any of the staff. You are only hurting the progression of the server, and yourselves.
If anyone has positive input, that's great! Help the server out. Give your ideas.
But for God's sake, stop picking each other apart because it is NOT helping.

I would love to see Classic just be Classic again, with the quests, and where guilds meant something. I know with all the new stuff, Classic will never be exactly the same, but the simplicity of it was what was so enjoyable.
I'm sure that I'm not alone when I say this, but I HAVE tried giving the management ideas. Unfortunately, posting on the forums likes this seems to be the only way of getting the attention of the management on this server.

I am all for moving forward and looking to the future, but Classic hasn't moved at all in the past few years.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:28 AM
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The purpose is to get feedback on a possible server plan that could affect Classic's future as a whole, which has been favored by a majority of the staff and any players who were interviewed of the idea before.. If you want to complain about the management, my suggestion would be to create a thread if you want publicity off of it. I realize they both have not been so active lately (particularly storm, hes been given too many chances imo), but not much now. Bell has already sent out the final warning by making Classic UC. I can't speak on behalf of them. I just am more interested in seeing player feedback on The thread purpose, then critcism of the management, which happens at every turn when they make a post because it's in line with some pwa involvement.

This also has been an idea since some time after Thor became Manager, so it's not some "new promise".
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:29 AM
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I'm sure that I'm not alone when I say this, but I HAVE tried giving the management ideas. Unfortunately, posting on the forums likes this seems to be the only way of getting the attention of the management on this server.

I am all for moving forward and looking to the future, but Classic hasn't moved at all in the past few years.
Tearing each other apart is not going to move it forward either, and I am sick of seeing it.........
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:32 AM
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Less talk, more walk. Classic has gained a horrible track record over the years so no amount of talking is going to convince anyone you're going to do something. Wanna show them you're gonna do it? DO IT.
Again, ultimately you're right,
but another one of Classics problems over the years is lack of planning,
poor preperation will give you a poor product,
if you start working on something before you even know what it is you're working on you'll get nowhere.

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Something strikes me as odd here. The entire thread contradicts what DC has been posting recently, and after seeing for myself how inactive the Management has been in the last few months I can only assume he's right.



What I want to know is how this is all negated and why is everything being perceived as a great opportunity? Did you not support DC with scripting because you didn't agree with his direction, or was it because it wasn't your direction? Why did both yourself and Master Storm go AWOL even though the server was in a horrible state, yet you seem to be posting as though you have maximum concern for its well being? Why is it that since the Management Review you've only released one thing each, with Storm jumping straight in promoting a 'heavy activity' image, while yours was in spite of a comment I made about nothing being done? All of these things directly contradict what you've posted, and if you've suddenly had an epiphany then I'd question if it really is concerning the well being that sparked it off, more so your job being on the line.
I think you'll find that both me and Storm put more scripting effort and care into Mod Quest than DC himself, and i'm not trying to point fingers or lay blame,
he has said this in his own words, it was one of his self criticisms when he was considering quitting beforehand.
Was this project the idea of myself or Storm?
No, but despite that and the fact I was concerned about the lack of planning that had gone into it, I supported it, I got with Mystic and Storm and we not only started to figure out what we should do with it, but began working on some of those ideas.

As far as activity goes,
it's not that we've made a choice to go AWOL
work/learning/whatever comes before Graal,
it's been an issue with Storm for a while,
and perhaps he should have been removed or have decided to step down at some point in the past, but like it or not he's still here, he's still Manager, we're still depending on him to help move forward, and removing him isn't going to help with that.
In my case, it's not ideal, and something I wouldn't be willing to keep up as Manager if doing forever, but it's only a recent issue and one that won't last a great deal longer, but until then i'm still responsible for ensuring plans are in place and the fact that I am concerned about doing so is not a matter of protecting a jeopardised position, it's about moving forward in a time of further increased need.

And for the record, the Ticket Raffles release had nothing to do with your post,
it just happened to be ready at the time.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:40 AM
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why don't you make separate lists for what needs to be fixed, changed, and created. the criteria for the lists can be generated by posting in this thread. arguing the lists can come later - put everything that players suggest down and then go from there. it honestly sounds like you guys are doing most everything on a whim, you need to get organized instead of "WE ARE GONNA WORK ON CLASSIC NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YET BUT WE ARE GONNA DO SOMETHING"

from what i can see from what people are saying, something like this arises:

1) hit detection back to normal
2) quests up/made
3) overworld reestablished
4) scripts converted/redone

since i hardly know much about anything on classic, i'm sure the actual community will be much more responsive for what needs to be done to the server; starting with the basics and adding on is you best bet right now
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blah blah blah
It's pretty obvious that a new manager would be constructive to the server.
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Old 06-30-2009, 05:20 AM
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deja vu.
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Not if Bell realizes that this is a joke.
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