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View Poll Results: Classic Server should..?
be left as it is. 4 6.15%
bring back it's original levels and hit detection. 51 78.46%
bring back ONLY the original levels but leave the hit detection as is. 1 1.54%
bring back ONLY the original hit detection but leave the levels as is. 9 13.85%
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:12 PM
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Good ideas for classic (IMO) if the hit detection returns to that of normal graal:

Challenging quests with a good story line.
Fun events (that players want)
An economy based on tickets/gralats/npcs
Bring back some old NPCs and make some new ones!
Make a trading system to trade items, money/gralats, easier.
I guess develop whatever you're supposedly already in the middle of developing...

IMO, 5-7 years should have been long enough to develop what classic needed. Hit Detection should be priority 1.

Unholy Nation was the worst server I had ever seen, and its been through so many different staffers, yet it still developed into a fully functioning world. I think you're just limiting yourselves.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:14 PM
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Lol stop putting words in my mouth, I didn't ever want to return to classic, just like everyone else who left, BECAUSE OF THE HIT DETECTION, not because of NEW DEVELOPMENT and CURRENT CLASSIC. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, though it would be nice to see original levels, but thats pretty much out the window now.
The poll is 42 out of 52 that want old classic levels back too so I wouldn't say it's out the window but definitely on the back burner.

BlackSolider disagrees about levels and to each his own, however I think we can agree that majority rules.

At least we are all agreeing about the HD, for the most part. Again, lets focus there because that's a job all in it's own.

About levels, we'll cross that bridge later.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:17 PM
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Disclaimer: I'm not saying that they're not "good" ideas, but just be careful when you use the word "good" because it is highly opinionated.

Anyways.

Challenging quests w/ storyline, economy, old npcs are all things that could be welcome additions.

We already have some fun events; we just don't always have enough players online to make them as fun or competitive as possible.

We have a /transfer system to trade tickets/gelats with. Don't think we can trade items, but as it is right now we don't have anything worth trading. If we did, however, we might need a trading system for it (perhaps something like era has.)
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History Lesson

1. Server revivals have historically failed. Many have tried, a few oldbies have returned to help, they realize they have to replace everything and don't have instant gratification, they leave.

2.Classic has had popularity vote changes on several occasions. Once the changes are made, players don't feel it lives up to their expectations, they start threads like this all over again.

3. NPC server shutdown vs. globals: Look around, tell me if you find a single server that does not have an NPC server. They are an absolute requirement and you get no choice in the matter so you might as well stop asking for it to be removed, its not going to happen.

4. Lazy staff: If I hear that one more time I think I'm gonna castrate someone. Each of the replaced dev admins has tried to use their vision to please the players, both oldie and new. They have hired a team they can work with and is productive. The moment a player see's one of them doing something for fun rather than being crouched over their keyboard working non stop. The entire team is called lazy. If players don't see results within 2 days of a change, they are all considered lazy. If a player doesn't like a member of the staff team, the entire team sucks.

5. I'm in a position to bring about positive change: Oh really? Would any of you really be happy with anything I chose to do? No, you've already proven that in the past. Ideally it would be in Classic's best interests, from the development side, to go into dev phase only, redo everything from scratch to eliminate the complicated mess thats developed over the years. This however is not in the best interests of the players though. The server goes invisible. people get nostalgic over their particular version of Classic's past and when the server is visible again they come back here and complain that Classic was ruined again.

6. Classic is boring and the updates released are stupid: I remember rants about wanting bowling back, weapons, cards, new events, minigames and quests. The moment they are released there is a rant because something isn't perfect or is dumb, too hard, too easy, or boring. Do you honestly think any development team is going to wish to continue working when the players show no appreciation for anything they do?

7. People like to blame Storm and now Storm and Thor for everything thats happened. Yes, Storm is manager and in the end it is his fault whether the server wins or fails. But he also cannot force every dev admin to do exactly as he says all the time. Sure, he can fire them if they don't but then where are you? Back at square one...again.

8. Classic is about change regardless of what you think at the moment Contego. If Classic had never changed there wouldn't of been the pyramid quest, Tyhms quest and many other updates that had been made throughout time. Classic should be representing Graal and what its scripting engine has to offer. It would be stuck back in v 1.28 or whatever while the rest of the world passed it by.

I haven't abandoned Classic, although I have been told to get out by a player or two. I may not be there every day, all day like I was but I am still fully aware of most things that happen there. I'm not going to micromanage though. Whats the point in me telling them how to do their jobs and when. If thats the case I might as well just fire them all and do it all myself. Oh wait, can't do that. I don't know how to script.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:25 PM
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:26 PM
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I still want to know the answer to the question on why noone uses the default HD areas we still have on Classic, if HD for PKing and sparring is the NUMBER ONE ISSUE classic faces. Certainly if this was the biggest issue we have by a longshot, clearly people would only be sparring in these areas, PKing in these areas.
However, people still continue to PK on UN and Town Center Spar.
Find me the difference between TCS and Exodus's AND SN's Default HD sparring rooms that cause people to not use them, then maybe I'll take you two retards seriously.
I don't think its a matter of hit detection, I think its a matter of sticking with your community you have created on UN, and I think this thread is a cry of nostaglia for all the good times that were had.

Wonder how long it will take the rest of you oldbies to wake up and realize this game, the server, the way things operate, the people we played with, all of that ALL OF WHAT WE GREW UP WITH, has either changed or has disappeared. It's been 10 years people, we can't live in 1999 forever, just like with everything else, this game has changed.

Also don't give me that crap that the server's name is Classic and thus should not be changed, if you actually have been around as long as you claimed, you know damn well, ever since 1999 and on, this server had been modified and modifed, change after change, update after update, with each coming year looking extremely different than the last. Or have we forgotten all the staple areas being moved countless times over the years, sure, people complained, but they adjusted to whoever the LAT Admin was and what they were doing. Hell, think of the Tyhm era and how many things were deviated from classic and changed. This server never was meant to be put into a box and left untouched, it never even started off that way in the first place.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:27 PM
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Also seems to be true, but then again I didn't play in 1999.
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Towards Bell's speech:

I am pretty sure Storm, or whoever made the initial changes to the hit detection, are fully to blame. Everyone warned what would happen.

We aren't saying classic needs revival, it needs some fine tuning, AKA Hit Detection. That is really the main idea.

As far as you (Bell) being able to help and move this into the right direction, I think contego was just trying to state you have greater influence on the server than some.

Right now, from the people who used to play classic, they said they would at least player there more often, if not permanently, If just the hit detection was changed to normal. I myself and contego as well as a lot of people in our guild and random people who used to play classic, would really try to support the changes and bring it back to more of a living state.

No one said this would be easy or that we would see instant changes or gratification, but it is mos.def worth the try.
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I still want to know the answer to the question on why noone uses the default HD areas we still have on Classic
Do you really sit online ALL DAY and count the people who use it? I just used it the other day, regardless, it would be nice for the server to actually be normal HD for pking.


If you're really going to sit here and say "just because its named classic, doesnt mean it shouldnt change" you've got it all wrong...

I, as well as most of us, are fully FOR CHANGE. We just want normal hit detection like any other server and possibly some development in the right way.

Don't you supposedly have a bunch of developing projects to finish? Bye

We kind of have realized it would be a mess to change the levels and realized its not needed anyway, its all about the HD, really...so find a new excuse.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:39 PM
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History Lesson

1. Server revivals have historically failed. Many have tried, a few oldbies have returned to help, they realize they have to replace everything and don't have instant gratification, they leave.

2.Classic has had popularity vote changes on several occasions. Once the changes are made, players don't feel it lives up to their expectations, they start threads like this all over again.

3. NPC server shutdown vs. globals: Look around, tell me if you find a single server that does not have an NPC server. They are an absolute requirement and you get no choice in the matter so you might as well stop asking for it to be removed, its not going to happen.

4. Lazy staff: If I hear that one more time I think I'm gonna castrate someone. Each of the replaced dev admins has tried to use their vision to please the players, both oldie and new. They have hired a team they can work with and is productive. The moment a player see's one of them doing something for fun rather than being crouched over their keyboard working non stop. The entire team is called lazy. If players don't see results within 2 days of a change, they are all considered lazy. If a player doesn't like a member of the staff team, the entire team sucks.

5. I'm in a position to bring about positive change: Oh really? Would any of you really be happy with anything I chose to do? No, you've already proven that in the past. Ideally it would be in Classic's best interests, from the development side, to go into dev phase only, redo everything from scratch to eliminate the complicated mess thats developed over the years. This however is not in the best interests of the players though. The server goes invisible. people get nostalgic over their particular version of Classic's past and when the server is visible again they come back here and complain that Classic was ruined again.

6. Classic is boring and the updates released are stupid: I remember rants about wanting bowling back, weapons, cards, new events, minigames and quests. The moment they are released there is a rant because something isn't perfect or is dumb, too hard, too easy, or boring. Do you honestly think any development team is going to wish to continue working when the players show no appreciation for anything they do?

7. People like to blame Storm and now Storm and Thor for everything thats happened. Yes, Storm is manager and in the end it is his fault whether the server wins or fails. But he also cannot force every dev admin to do exactly as he says all the time. Sure, he can fire them if they don't but then where are you? Back at square one...again.

8. Classic is about change regardless of what you think at the moment Contego. If Classic had never changed there wouldn't of been the pyramid quest, Tyhms quest and many other updates that had been made throughout time. Classic should be representing Graal and what its scripting engine has to offer. It would be stuck back in v 1.28 or whatever while the rest of the world passed it by.

I haven't abandoned Classic, although I have been told to get out by a player or two. I may not be there every day, all day like I was but I am still fully aware of most things that happen there. I'm not going to micromanage though. Whats the point in me telling them how to do their jobs and when. If thats the case I might as well just fire them all and do it all myself. Oh wait, can't do that. I don't know how to script.
You sound like a global who is exhausted with all your duties atm. I've been there before too Bell. MASTER STORM made this mistake and it's been downhill since.

Rather than develop an economy they changed the hit detection. Bell, Classic is where the whole sparring idea came about, where our good friend like Goth came from. Fighting and PK.

Now it's turning into a Trading Card Game server where old players such as yourself utilize it as a chat room. Why can't the rest of us have our fun with OUR game too? You can still trade cards and chat all day and all night. I want to log onto the game I started to play.

History Lesson:

I was the one who saw it through that you were to be a global. Don't disappoint me because the works taking it's toll on you now. I see it as step up or step down.

All I can say is read the poll results. And think about your decision carefully.

You've got volunteers willing to make the change. No one expects this to be done over night.

And finally I never said ANYONE was lazy, infact I backed you up when Laura incinuated that you were a lazy global.

-I'd also like to note Classic's numbers increasing because of interest and publicity. Let's take advantage of this momentum and start the team we need. Please don't halt productivity. This can and will make Stefan and unixmad more money to have more players return.

The foundation of any company is it's customer base. Loyal customers and new customers. I'm a loyal customer.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:42 PM
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As far as you (Bell) being able to help and move this into the right direction, I think contego was just trying to state you have greater influence on the server than some.
ok this made me laugh
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If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.
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If you have Default HD why isn't it server wide.... The experience of players logging on is automatically greeted by Classic's hit detection which deters them from staying. They are not going out of their way to Exodus spar into a separate room to spar.
that why Supernick new arena is coming back for.
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ok this made me laugh
really laura, I'm going to push you to get banned on the forums, or at least banned from this thread. nothing you say is ever relevant and its always poking at someone.

and bell could influence some people better than we can.
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