Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[BlackSolider]

Classic can't afford to sit around in it's current state for a year while a few people work tirelessly on such a large-scale project. We need immediate help that doesn't fizzle out in less than a month.

For a long time, GCs were able to keep the server alive simply by hosting a lot of events. That was back when we constantly had 30-40 people online, even during some weekdays. That is hardly the case right now, and thus GCs can't carry the server on their backs like they used to be able to do. Classic needs content to draw people in and keep them occupied, enabling GCs to get back to their mega-hosting ways of 06-07.

Classic would not survive a year as is waiting for this massive project to be complete. Even if we did it in chunks, new overworld levels + a quest or two a time doesn't solve all of our problems. Our staff team is far too small to work on both this project and our other issues.

[dmhabe]

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[unknown]

All I know is, if you're not willing to try and make the change, no matter how difficult, you don't care enough. Of course you can't count on the playercount to just rise, but regardless, classic should be classic, even if people don't really come back. All I know is, it is definitely worth a try, and if its not worth a try, just let it die. Seriously, bury classic, I could care less at its current state. I hope the current classic players wise up and switch to UN and let it die if none of these changes go through. I really hope classic, NP, and Delt all get shutdown since they are just stealing potential players and potential staff.

As far as new dev on classic, it would be cool for a nice storyline and a nice spar arena and keep the events house and all. Maybe an island for player developed houses/material. But most of it should just be CLASSIC.

[unknown]

Also, on another note, if you're going to sit and say "well what if these people dont play classic currently" THEN GO ADVERTISE THIS THREAD ON CLASSIC AND HAVE YOUR CURRENT PLAYERS VOTE AND STOP WHINING. thanks

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

All I know is, if you're not willing to try and make the change, no matter how difficult, you don't care enough. Of course you can't count on the playercount to just rise, but regardless, classic should be classic, even if people don't really come back. All I know is, it is definitely worth a try, and if its not worth a try, just let it die. Seriously, bury classic, I could care less at its current state. I hope the current classic players wise up and switch to UN and let it die if none of these changes go through. I really hope classic, NP, and Delt all get shutdown since they are just stealing potential players and potential staff.

As far as new dev on classic, it would be cool for a nice storyline and a nice spar arena and keep the events house and all. Maybe an island for player developed houses/material. But most of it should just be CLASSIC.

i could care less about what u think but , you already know classic will not die or quit the classic tab, and whoever dev on delt classic or NP its their choice not urs , understood?

[unknown]

All you do EVERY TIME you post is have something NEGATIVE to say. Seriously, I am entitled to my opinion, and I don't care what you think about what I think, dig me? I am just being realistic. Come back when you actually have some constructive criticism, if you know the definition, you illiterate, immature, little girl. You obviously shouldn't be staff if you can't be literate or even give a realistic, constructive opinion about your server. All you do is get defensive for no reason. What do you even know about classic, or graal in general? You're some newbie who didn't even pay for graal, you got it from someone who quit. Looks like you owe graal some money

[BlackSolider]

Just because a current classician votes for "bringing back original levels and hd" doesn't exactly mean they want "old classic" back; perhaps they simply want new content, no matter what it is.

Keep that in mind.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Just because a current classician votes for "bringing back original levels and hd" doesn't exactly mean they want "old classic" back; perhaps they simply want new content, no matter what it is.

Keep that in mind.

Thats a good point, but I would think most people wouldn't mind some new development in certain areas/departments. Theres just a certain bit that should just be what it was IMO.

I do want to say, I understand you guys who are a bit defensive on the subject of change here, because most of us old classic players were the same way, but obviously thats why we left when they didn't leave it classic. Kind of an odd subject, never thought it would even come to this.

[DarkCloud_PK]

I like how people are talking about realistic when they are talking about suggestions such as taking half a decade to convert ourselves back to 2001 or 2004 or whatever the hell year the majority want(which is a pickle in itself, no matter which old classic you pick, it isnt going to be the 'right' one).

It was suggested to just shut the NPC server down? What will that give you, default HD with a bunch of broken custom systems.
How long do you think the globals would let us having our NPC server down intentionally? Really?

As for the people commenting on there being no sparring, no events, no hats, no etc.
There's sparring everywhere if you actually click on our server and log in.
Hell, we even have a default sparring area with a decent queue system.
Too bad half you BTK retards don't even know of the default sparring and PK areas' existence, much less acknowledge them. It wouldn't help your whole unachievable arguement, now would it? We have default HD around, try leaving town center spar and spar on classic? Oh wait, you're not going to do that because the HD arguement is just a god damned excuse to stay off classic, but it would hurt your pride too much, your roots, to say that UN is your home now, and not where you grew up(Classic), if you even played during those days, or just pretend you did.
You can wear whatever the hell hat you want, its called sethat unless you want us to develop a community based on hats like 2K1, that went down the toilet. An economy based on hats? Really?

[Bell]

It was suggested to just shut the NPC server down? What will that give you, default HD with a bunch of broken custom systems.
How long do you think the globals would let us having our NPC server down intentionally? Really?

Way to get fired and banned right quick.

[unknown]

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

A lot of this thread is another request from people who don't actually play classic(logging on once a year isnt playing classic), asking for all the default systems and old levels.
Because of this, we made default HD spar and PK rooms to cater to those people.

They never get used, so why bother listening to the people asking for things if they don't USE what they ASK for?

Originally Posted by unknown

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Is a half decade year project of bringing us BACK double that time as far as level quality and scripting capabilities go really the kind of realism we want?
It can be done, shooting yourself in the face can also be done, there's a lot of things that CAN be done, but it doesnt make it a good idea automatically.

Originally Posted by unknown

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

Maybe if you learn some common sense about things and cost vs benefits, maybe you wouldn't look so stupid to everyone outside of your town center spar clique, all of which whom dont have a clue about what Classic is about, because they don't play classic outside of Ares, they play UN, you are newbie UN players. You have no right to tell Classic what direction it should be going in, as you're not a Classic player.

Originally Posted by unknown

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

It's all default systems, ALL custom classic systems removed, let me reiterate.
It IS default. If you feel a difference, well, that's you looking for excuses.

Originally Posted by unknown

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

Let's have a hat economy, a thing you can wear on your head as an economy, so much fun, it worked on 2K1 and UN amirite guys? From what I've heard, the UN hat economy blows.

[unknown]

lol whatever man. you sit here and say I'm a UN newbie, yet in my day I probably played more classic than you have your entire graal career. I started on classic, and tried to stick it out as long as possible, obviously its good I left isnt it? And if you can't take into consideration, what other players from other servers want so they will come to yours, youre a horrible staff members. cost vs benefits? wow you'd have to do some work and admit all your attempts in the past were for nothing. SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEFT ALONE. also, you have a better idea for an economy? who cares if its something you where on your head...an economy is an economy, and what draws players, draws players. You'd be a horrible business man, stick to taking those horrible wannabe model pictures.

Also, please inform me "What Classic's about" its obviously not about being Classic, or about the players and what they want, EVEN IF THEY ARENT CURRENTLY PLAYING CLASSIC.

wow...

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I like how people are talking about realistic when they are talking about suggestions such as taking half a decade to convert ourselves back to 2001 or 2004 or whatever the hell year the majority want(which is a pickle in itself, no matter which old classic you pick, it isnt going to be the 'right' one).

It was suggested to just shut the NPC server down? What will that give you, default HD with a bunch of broken custom systems.
How long do you think the globals would let us having our NPC server down intentionally? Really?

As for the people commenting on there being no sparring, no events, no hats, no etc.
There's sparring everywhere if you actually click on our server and log in.
Hell, we even have a default sparring area with a decent queue system. Too bad half you you BTK retards don't even know of the default sparring and PK areas' existence, much less acknowledge them. It wouldn't help your whole unachievable arguement, now would it? We have default HD around, try leaving town center spar and spar on classic? Oh wait, you're not going to do that because the HD arguement is just a god damned excuse to stay off classic, but it would hurt your pride too much, your roots, to say that UN is your home now, and not where you grew up(Classic), if you even played during those days, or just pretend you did.
You can wear whatever the hell hat you want, its called sethat unless you want us to develop a community based on hats like 2K1, that went down the toilet. An economy based on hats? Really?

Nothing of relevance, and problaby should be edited. But please let's focus on the topic at hand.

DarkCloud - "Present Dev Admin" (quoting your signature on your post). When I was GM, I said it like it was and I'm not going to sugar coat it now; It's abundantly clear that the HD is a large factor of Classic's low playercount. All you need to do is take it that direction. You're not helping this situation, you and Master Storm are the people we need to convince. All the people on the poll are all fighting for the samething, it's not an attack personally on you as a person.

[Pelikano]

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?