here's a good proposal

[Xelnaga]

There is no disbalancing the economy. Items don't define the economy, the economy defines items. According to:
1. The ammount of money available in the equilibrium
2. The rarity of the weapon
3. The statistics of the weapon

If more weapons were evented off at the end of the week then there would no longer be a "disbalance of power" because everyone would manage to afford a decent weapon for a low price that they could pick flowers for (similarly to before the reset).

Originally Posted by salesman

Not only is it an unfair way to release the items because not everyone can participate,

As the original topic of this thread suggests, Era is a pk-based server, the players are more likely to wrap their heads around that concept here than on UN. This means if you get your sh*t together and play the server often enough you'll be sure to earn your position in a gang and participate in a KOTH, And whoever said that prizes were distributed to the gangleader alone? Rams maybe, but Nuada distributed the 3 MSs that were won in KOTH back during the days of the Mongrel Mob, this can be administered somehow to benefit everyone if it's really that big a concern.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

If more weapons were evented off at the end of the week then there would no longer be a "disbalance of power" because everyone would manage to afford a decent weapon for a low price that they could pick flowers for (similarly to before the reset).

And then we'd be back where we started except this time you'd be complaining that a Flak Cannon isn't a good enough prize.

Player A works his ass off for months to earn 500k. Player B gets 50 kills in one event. Both recieve the same weapon. I call that unbalanced.

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

As the original topic of this thread suggests, Era is a pk-based server, the players are more likely to wrap their heads around that concept here than on UN. This means if you get your sh*t together and play the server often enough you'll be sure to earn your position in a gang and participate in a KOTH, And whoever said that prizes were distributed to the gangleader alone? Rams maybe, but Nuada distributed the 3 MSs that were won in KOTH back during the days of the Mongrel Mob, this can be administered somehow to benefit everyone if it's really that big a concern.

I'm referring more to the fact that not even everyone in a gang can participate anymore. What about pkers who choose to be gangless? They shouldn't be excluded from prizes that affect EVERYONE, not just gangs. If you want to give prizes for gang events, the prizes should be gang-related. Like Frankie said...points would be good (if only they were more than just a number)

EDIT: We're starting to go off in the wrong direction...most of this will be irrelevant with the new gang system, anyways.

[Xelnaga]

Originally Posted by salesman

And then we'd be back where we started except this time you'd be complaining that a Flak Cannon isn't a good enough prize.

Player A works his ass off for months to earn 500k. Player B gets 50 kills in one event. Both receive the same weapon. I call that unbalanced.

Both players are working their asses off, Player B was instantly granted a spot in a lineup? No, he too had to work his ass in order to be skilful enough to participate and accumulate that amount of kills, and I'm sure he won't achieve it from the first time.

Originally Posted by salesman

I'm referring more to the fact that not even everyone in a gang can participate anymore. What about pkers who choose to be gangless? They shouldn't be excluded from prizes that affect EVERYONE, not just gangs. If you want to give prizes for gang events, the prizes should be gang-related. Like Frankie said...points would be good (if only they were more than just a number)

EDIT: We're starting to go off in the wrong direction...most of this will be irrelevant with the new gang system, anyways.

Who claimed that gang events were the only way to win prizes? What happened to that weekly spar tourney?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

Both players are working their asses off, Player B was instantly granted a spot in a lineup? No, he too had to work his ass in order to be skilful enough to participate and accumulate that amount of kills, and I'm sure he won't achieve it from the first time.

It's not the same and you know it.

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

Who claimed that gang events were the only way to win prizes? What happened to that weekly spar tourney?

We are talking about gangs here.
EDIT: what weekly spar tourney, anyways? I don't recall

[Xelnaga]

Originally Posted by salesman

EDIT: what weekly spar tourney, anyways? I don't recall

Chris did this weekly spar tourney ordeal for a bit, didn't last more than a month. The winner of the spar tourney got a statue in the complex and 5 ecs, same went for tagteams.

Originally Posted by CaptainSkittles

Let's be honest, Graal doesn't take that much skill. Especially these days. Buy an expensive gun, hold d, profit.

Or, just lag.

Is there skill involved? Of course. Does it take as much time as picking enough flowers to buy an MS or M1 would? Absolutely not.

And why is it the pkers fault for fulfilling the original purpose of era instead of brainlessly picking flowers?

[CaptainSkittles]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

And why is it the pkers fault for fulfilling the original purpose of era instead of brainlessly picking flowers?

It's not.

You're trying to act like it takes as much effort, it doesn't. If anything, this just shows how terrible the economy is.

[Xelnaga]

Originally Posted by CaptainSkittles

It's not.

You're trying to act like it takes as much effort, it doesn't. If anything, this just shows how terrible the economy is.

But it does take effort, except you're investing in your ability similarily to riding a bike you won't lose it easily. Rather than doing the same repetitive chore of picking flowers.



As for sales, I do agree that gangpoints could be "cashed in", that would be a fantastic idea.

[CaptainSkittles]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

Both players are working their asses off, Player B was instantly granted a spot in a lineup? No, he too had to work his ass in order to be skilful enough to participate and accumulate that amount of kills, and I'm sure he won't achieve it from the first time.

Let's be honest, Graal doesn't take that much skill. Especially these days. Buy an expensive gun, hold d, profit.

Or, just lag.

Is there skill involved? Of course. Does it take as much time as picking enough flowers to buy an MS or M1 would? Absolutely not.

[salesman]

Another thing I don't like about instant mega prizes for events is the fact that the same person will constantly win it. And with their newly earned lame weapons from the previous event, the odds are even more in their favor. I wouldn't mind doing something with a point system where "big" events give more points, as long as there is still ways for the good, but not greatest, pkers to earn points in smaller events. The points could eventually be cashed in for prizes or something. This would work very well with MontyPython's event system idea: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=85369

[CaptainSkittles]

Originally Posted by Xelnaga

There is no disbalancing the economy. Items don't define the economy, the economy defines items. According to:
1. The ammount of money available in the equilibrium
2. The rarity of the weapon
3. The statistics of the weapon

If more weapons were evented off at the end of the week then there would no longer be a "disbalance of power" because everyone would manage to afford a decent weapon for a low price that they could pick flowers for (similarly to before the reset).



As the original topic of this thread suggests, Era is a pk-based server, the players are more likely to wrap their heads around that concept here than on UN. This means if you get your sh*t together and play the server often enough you'll be sure to earn your position in a gang and participate in a KOTH, And whoever said that prizes were distributed to the gangleader alone? Rams maybe, but Nuada distributed the 3 MSs that were won in KOTH back during the days of the Mongrel Mob, this can be administered somehow to benefit everyone if it's really that big a concern.

I was gonna trim this beast down before fully quoting it, but **** it. I'm lazy.

Let's say they use your theory. Now everyone in a gang is floating around with Metal Storms/Flaks (or whatever gun you want). Good call. Gang guns are now useless, and if you're not in a gang you're going to get ****ing rolled.

The "disbalance of power" comes from guns like the Metal Storm being ridiculously ****ing over-powered. Yeah, handing them out to a ton of people evens the playing field a bit, but why not just balance the game? If guns just were suited to different play-styles instead of a hierarchy of bad to good, then you wouldn't be forced to pick flowers for 2 months to get the funds to get a good weapon and have fun. It shouldn't be a gear based game where you're not a contender unless you have a good gun, it should be based on skill.