Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

contego · #1 05-03-2009, 03:38 AM

I would like to see the original Classic with it's original hit detection. It's clear that Classic's player count has dropped for quite sometime and I believe it's because of this change. I would definitely replay and I feel that it would encourage many "oldbies" to come back. I can say I was disinterested in playing Classic once that hit detection was released and would like to see the old levels and hit detection back.

Rufus · #2 05-03-2009, 03:41 AM

Safety blanket.

Luda · #3 05-03-2009, 03:45 AM

I voted 2 but I'd rather have a vote for "Bring back old HD and work on making the OW better"

gravator · #4 05-03-2009, 03:48 AM

I certainly would like something done, the two best servers graal ever had and with all the work that's said to be done still seem to be stuck in limbo. Something i can only say for myself and my own feelings, is kingdoms never quite gave me any feelings of nostalgia quite like graal 2001 and classic have.

smokeraider · #5 05-03-2009, 03:50 AM

Oldskool plz

jacob_bald6225 · #6 05-03-2009, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Luda

I voted 2 but I'd rather have a vote for "Bring back old HD and work on making the OW better"

Is what I want too.

contego · #7 05-03-2009, 03:59 AM

MASTERSTORM is an old friend, very old friend. I mean no disrespect but in my opinion he has to come to the realization that it isn't Classic that he has on there. Classic is Classic meaning Graal the Adventure. I've spoken to Stefan about but he doesn't believe players would support Classic if they returned it to it's original playerworld/hit detection. I really don't understand why MASTERSTORM likes this way being that he started Classic and fell inlove with it when it had the old hit detection.

ffcmike · #8 05-03-2009, 04:02 AM

I've been trying to determine if the Dev Team feel that Developing with Default Systems on a seperate server would be the best way forward but not primarily for the sake of Hit Detection and Nostalgia,
but for the sake of having a clean foundation inwhich to build upon, and systems which are well documented and that most Developers on Graal are familiar with them.

BlackSolider · #9 05-03-2009, 04:12 AM

Voted to bring back original HD since it has to be better than the two we currently have.

MysticX2X · #10 05-03-2009, 04:22 AM

I think Classic now can be improved rather than going to old levels...

Default systems/hit detection surely is the better question here.

jacob_bald6225 · #11 05-03-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

I've been trying to determine if the Dev Team feel that Developing with Default Systems on a seperate server would be the best way forward but not primarily for the sake of Hit Detection and Nostalgia,
but for the sake of having a clean foundation inwhich to build upon, and systems which are well documented and that most Developers on Graal are familiar with them.

The illusion of a playercount will take a big hit if you move away the development.

Ares · #12 05-03-2009, 05:12 AM

since basically all current and ex-players say "if the default hit detection was back, i'd definitely play classic again" you might as well do it since none of the new ideas being added aren't doing so hot..

Corp1 · #13 05-03-2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ares

since basically all ex-players say "if the default hit detection was back, i'd definitely play classic again" you might as well do it since none of the new ideas being added aren't doing so hot..

Whatever gets people playing again.

Cyril · #14 05-03-2009, 05:33 AM

Man, no server ever struck me like Classic did back in versions 1.34 and I know im not the only one. The people, the server, the sparring. I definitely believe that a lot more people would come back if the old classic had a place again, whether it is replacing current classic, or getting its own server.
If this were to seriously happen, it would most definitely bring some players back. And yea lets be honest here, classic doesnt really have anyhting going for it right now, im surprised it still has players. But OMG, i want old school Supernicks back =(
with the first carpet spar =(

-Ramirez- · #15 05-03-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

I've been trying to determine if the Dev Team feel that Developing with Default Systems on a seperate server would be the best way forward but not primarily for the sake of Hit Detection and Nostalgia,
but for the sake of having a clean foundation inwhich to build upon, and systems which are well documented and that most Developers on Graal are familiar with them.

I personally love to make the core parts of a server, and would consider helping in that regard. If it isn't being done from scratch though, I want nothing to do with it. There's very little that currently exists that isn't pure garbage.

However, if EVERYONE is going to be doing this, I don't see that it's going to be very beneficial, given that it'll probably take quite a while (depending on availability of workers) to get it completed. (Which would be leaving the current server basically abandoned development-wise.) Then again, making new things on the current server when an entirely new foundation is going to be introduced doesn't make any sense. I don't really know what to suggest.

unknown · #16 05-03-2009, 08:59 AM

Classic will never be the same as it used to be, but it would be nice to have it slightly come back in the server list. Not only did the hit detection ruin it (and these stupid non graal mods like Era and Zodiac) but the kids who are still loyal to classic need to realize it also died because you guys would never do anything but idle. I see this as a last resort for classic, and if this fails, classic should just be deleted IMO along with other dead servers. So a note to the people of classic, if you start to see a difference if these changes go through, DONT SIT AND IDLE, graal is a game not a chat room.

-Ramirez- · #17 05-03-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown

I see this as a last resort for classic [...] if these changes go through

I wouldn't count on anything happening at all.

ffcmike · #18 05-03-2009, 04:45 PM

There are no concrete plans for this to actually happen,
it's just a proposal,
Master Storm doesn't like the idea for multiple reasons,
and ultimately we'd need his support on this as the Dev server is his property,
DarkCloud isn't fond of the idea either mainly due to the short term focus on current Classic.

While I don't know for definate Default Systems are something i'm under the impression are wanted by players,
but it's never been a case of simply being able to put it into use and have it work with the current levels, we could spend a long time trying to catch up reworking the levels we currently have, or we could use this is an opportunity to work outwards from a central location gradually with a planned layout consistant with server storyline, whilst maintaining a higher player and content density in the process, whether this would involve reworking the current or old overworld is besides the point.

contego · #19 05-03-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike

There are no concrete plans for this to actually happen,
it's just a proposal,
Master Storm doesn't like the idea for multiple reasons,
and ultimately we'd need his support on this as the Dev server is his property,
DarkCloud isn't fond of the idea either mainly due to the short term focus on current Classic.

While I don't know for definate Default Systems are something i'm under the impression are wanted by players,
but it's never been a case of simply being able to put it into use and have it work with the current levels, we could spend a long time trying to catch up reworking the levels we currently have, or we could use this is an opportunity to work outwards from a central location gradually with a planned layout consistant with server storyline, whilst maintaining a higher player and content density in the process, whether this would involve reworking the current or old overworld is besides the point.

In my opinion it should not be MASTER STORM's desicion at all. He was hired to manage Classic but leave it as is and only add to the current playerworld. This was the original agreement.

Further more, MASTER STORM does not play Classic anymore so why should he care what is on there? If he insists that he wants it the same then my suggestion is to make a new server for him and call it Classic 2k and move the current server over to it. Proof is in the pudding that change is wanted, look at the increasing poll numbers. Classic has a low player count and has consistently had one since this mistake.

I'm speaking out an long time supporter and paying customer to Graal.

The server is called "Classic" for a reason and what MASTER STORM did is change something that made Classic the classic server it was.

Again I want to reiterate that the original agreement was to not change anything on Classic but to only add to the existing playerworld. Too much has been changed and I'm not going to idle by as you folks ruin what so many of us originally fell inlove with.

Stefan and unixmad, step up to the plate and acknowledge your players request. I've said this to you before, when you decided to make Graal p2p; if you're going to take this avenue to make players pay then be prepared to take care of the paying customers/supporters. No one is asking you to CHANGE anything, MASTER STORM is the one who did that. We are simply requesting that you return what YOU had originally created that made us all love Graal.

dmhabe · #20 05-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Classics clear deterioration is obvious, this "restoration" has been discussed for years now and they continue to let the server die.

unknown · #21 05-03-2009, 05:47 PM

I'm not saying this "IS" going to be done, I am just suggesting they should look at some new options since none of the changes in the last years have increased playercount, they have only decreased it. I mean, take a look at the votes, its already voted on change more than classics current highest playercount as well as no one even voted to keep it as is. It's called classic for a reason, thus it should be CLASSIC. If you newbies who think you are classic supporters want to keep it the way it is or what not, make a mirror type of server and call it graal the adventure. Which in my opinion is going to be only you guys playing and your RC's LOL. I have told myself over the years I would never give classic another chance, even if they switched back the hit detection, mainly because its just not classic in many other ways. If anything, I would still settle and try to give classic another chance if the hit detection was changed back. Also, when I say go back to the original state of classic, I am not saying there can't be new development in some areas, but there are some things best left alone.

BlackSolider · #22 05-03-2009, 07:26 PM

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

contego · #23 05-03-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

Hense the name Classic. Is there really more than 30 people that have more than 100 hours on Classic?

BlackSolider · #24 05-03-2009, 07:31 PM

Definitely.

The problem is many of them don't play anymore, for a variety of reasons.

contego · #25 05-03-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Definitely.

The problem is many of them don't play anymore, for a variety of reasons.

Yes, true and one of the reasons they don't come back is because there's nothing to come back to.

Again Classic is Classic and should have been left as such.

Rufus · #26 05-03-2009, 07:35 PM

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

xnervNATx · #27 05-03-2009, 07:38 PM

nice im the only one that voted the third!

contego · #28 05-03-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

nice im the only one that voted the third!

Because you're one of the VERY few that have ever liked the mess of current hit detection. -.-

xnervNATx · #29 05-03-2009, 07:47 PM

the mess?
because people suck with clientside doesnt mean its messed
LOL

contego · #30 05-03-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

the mess?
because people suck with clientside doesnt mean its messed
LOL

Well Laura I'm not going to argue the facts. Look at the poll.

BlackSolider · #31 05-03-2009, 07:50 PM

Clientside has its obvious flaws, though the people could have at least tried to adjust to it rather than just ***** about it. Still, it sucks. Plain and simple.

xnervNATx · #32 05-03-2009, 07:51 PM

like i told u , people blame the hd because they suck on it.
then that mean everyone suck at it ?

i have one thing to say

bring server back in us

Rufus · #33 05-03-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

contego · #34 05-03-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

like i told u , people blame the hd because they suck on it.
then that mean everyone suck at it ?

i have one thing to say

bring server back in us

I went on Classic and sparred and had no issues. I didn't "suck" however the fact remains that Classic is no longer Classic with the tileset changed and the hit detection changed. I'm not here to insult anyone and Laura it's unfortunate you're trying to taking this conversation in a different direction. Let's keep this this forum constructive and focused on to the topic please.

Crono · #35 05-03-2009, 07:55 PM

I've wanted the original HD since 2006 but I think we're at a point where Classic needs some real content. I don't see how the levels will make a difference at all.

Restoring the HD now would probably require a lot of re-scripting, and I feel that it should be tweaked but more time should be spent on giving players something real to do. We shouldn't have to rely on events to have a shred of fun on a game but that's how it is.

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Originally Posted by xnervNATx

bring server back in us

Why, "because you suck at it"?

unknown · #36 05-03-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

I can name people if you want, but I dont have to since theres a poll showing it. Let me know if you want those names.

unknown · #37 05-03-2009, 08:38 PM

Also, stop trying to reply with excuses about why we dislike it. We might sound like a broken record here, but its because ITS NOT CLASSIC, and its not even graal for that matter because of the hit detection. I can pk and spar just fine on it once I get in the zone, hell, I will probably take your best sparrer down, so don't use that excuse laura. Its just a stupid change which led to classics downfall in the first place. All you kids who argue it are the kids who sit around there and chat so I don't see why you'd care if the detection or the levels changed. Go use a chat client.

unknown · #38 05-03-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Obviously I can't see who voted, but I wonder actually how many people who voted have actually spent more than 100 hours on classic in the past two years. I theorize that many of the votes are from nostalgic people hoping for a return of their favorite time on "classic," whenever that was for them.

Again, besides the point. It's not about spending a certain amount of time on it in the past few years to determine this. What do you people not get about the word "CLASSIC"? It's not even about trying to return to my favorite time, its about leaving something the way it is because of the title and because obviously none of your newbie development methods have drawn a crowd, only dispersed them. Let me ask all of you Classic Supporters something, why do you like "this" version of classic? I think it's because you all just wasted so much time there already you feel hopeless and just stick to the plan.

contego · #39 05-03-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

If I were to go out of my way to make a pointless list of names for you it would accomplish nothing. However I can say there are definitely more than 20 players from that time line that now play Era, and Zodiac. These people couldn't get into Unholy Nation or NPulse because that Graal they know is Classic, and that Classic is gone.

StrykerTFFD · #40 05-03-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Name 20 players that currently play Graal on a regular basis that were around to 'appreciate' the old overworld and old hit detection on Classic.

Hi.

And hey there contego.

Now before anyone goes "OMG what did Stryker vote!?", I'm not voting. Not getting my hopes up.

View Poll Results: Classic Server should..?
be left as it is.	4	6.15%
bring back it's original levels and hit detection.	51	78.46%
bring back ONLY the original levels but leave the hit detection as is.	1	1.54%
bring back ONLY the original hit detection but leave the levels as is.	9	13.85%
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