Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[contego]

Originally Posted by Bell

Tyhm, I don't work for Classic. I'm just the lucky one that gets to listen to everyone complain regardless of what anyone does or tries to do. Storm and Thor are the managers. DC (who is active btw, ignore Mystic) is currently the Dev admin and just as frustrated as everyone else. Speak to Thor, I know you have contact with him.

Right Bell, but in all fairness are they really managing atm?

You're also right that you get to hear the compliants, but it's all part of the package deal and tbh I believe you're one who can help get this job done.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

Right Bell, but in all fairness are they really managing atm?

You're also right that you get to hear the compliants, but it's all part of the package deal and tbh I believe you're one who can help get this job done.

say what.

she already tryed to ditch us with the review , tbh i dont think she can help no more.'

edit: im already glad to hear that thym will bring the best quest ever made

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

say what.

she already tryed to ditch us with the review , tbh i dont think she can help no more.'

edit: im already glad to hear that thym will bring the best quest ever made

I'm sorry Laura, but was that a stab at an active Global, who does free work for Graal, and actually works? She can't be everywhere at once. Uncalled for, yet again.

However I'm really not surprised to see Tyhm stepping up to the plate, he was always ready to help.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

I'm sorry Laura, but was that a stab at an active Global, who does free work for Graal, and actually works? She can't be everywhere at once. Uncalled for, yet again.

say the guy that never played classic in the past

[Rufus]

FYI there is one member of staff and one ex member of staff who are working together in redesigning the pyramid quest currently.

[BlackSolider]

Do you even know anything about the PWA review we had on classic recently?

[ffcmike]

The fact of the matter is,
even if the true current Classic players wanted the old levels restored exact (which I believe is just a case of the players wanting any type of positive change),
and even if doing so would actually bring a significant amount of old players back (which I doubt)......
The Old levels can not simply be reuploaded.

As far as converting the thousands or so levels go,
it would be a bit like humans trying to travel to another planet in a different star system,
I wouldn't say it's impossible, if we sent 100 people in a big enough ship and waited for a few tens of thousands of years inwhich nothing went wrong, and a steady amount of breeding was sustained in order to keep the crew large enough, they might make it.
But this just isn't going to happen.

Default Systems on the other hand are something which I do believe we can put into place, just this is something which would require work to start from scratch,
whichever specific server plan we try to follow would require a certain amount of time to be completed, just with Default Systems the transition into Classic Development for new Developers would be easier than at current, and the fact that it would be from scratch would mean that there are endless possibilities on server direction, what percentage of Old Levels it would use is besides the point.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

As far as converting the thousands or so levels go,
it would be a bit like humans trying to travel to another planet in a different star system,
I wouldn't say it's impossible, if we sent 100 people in a big enough ship and waited for a few tens of thousands of years inwhich nothing went wrong, and a steady amount of breeding was sustained in order to keep the crew large enough, they might make it.
But this just isn't going to happen.

Your analogy is horribly flawed. The majority of the levels contain nothing but the most basic of scripts, and take very little time to modify. The only real issue is having proper replacements for baddies and the default character NPCs. The rest is merely a matter of persistence, which nobody obviously has the willingness to cope with.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Your analogy is horribly flawed. The majority of the levels contain nothing but the most basic of scripts, and take very little time to modify. The only real issue is having proper replacements for baddies and the default character NPCs. The rest is merely a matter of persistence, which nobody obviously has the willingness to cope with.

The levels were made before there was such thing as a clientside/serverside split, as far as I know scripts were processed by the client of the first player to enter the level with the data being sent to other players (correct me if i'm wrong), obviously most display purpose NPCs would be as simple as adding a line for Clientside, but alot of the more advanced scripts which made the old levels fun would today be something that would have to function Clientside for the sake of server cpu useage (where large for/while loops and constant timeouts are involved), but they happened to edit variables which now have to be modified Serverside, these require being mostly rescripted if not from scratch.

[Tyhm]

Sure, but how is that any different from how things are now? I mean, you can make the Pyramid from scratch, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch for defaulty clientsidey systems, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch for true default systemless, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch with "Someday this will work as advertised!" serverside "move" baddies, or you can make it from scratch with etc....if you're boned any way you look at it, you may as well save yourself some tiling and arguing with the purists.

[Zeltino]

Due to 15 pages of posts, I skipped to the end ignoring everyone else (Sorry, I'm way too lazy to read what you all said). In any ways...

I definitely think we should bring back the original/old Classic. So much fun back in those days. I would love to see my old stomping grounds again!

[BlackSolider]

I'll give a quick, sarcastic summary:

Old classic players: Look at the polls! Listen to the people! Clearly this would solve so many problems! I miss old classic and this would bring back a ton of old players!

Current classic players: It would take a massive amount of manpower (which we don't really have,) not to mention it'd take months to complete (if not more than a year.) Meanwhile, nothing would be added to classic and thus the server would probably die before it was complete.

That about sums it up.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

I'll give a quick, sarcastic summary:

Old classic players: Look at the polls! Listen to the people! Clearly this would solve so many problems! I miss old classic and this would bring back a ton of old players!

Current classic players: It would take a massive amount of manpower (which we don't really have,) not to mention it'd take months to complete (if not more than a year.) Meanwhile, nothing would be added to classic and thus the server would probably die before it was complete.

That about sums it up.

Basically this post was meant to mock us, nothing more. Also, the poll is not all oldbies. The fact remains, this is Classic and should stay as such. Your post is nothing more than a little outburst, and has no relevent argument. It's clear where the development is needed on Classic.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by contego

no relevent argument

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

heres that little mosquito again....and what have you contributed to this post other than negative remarks? If you voted on the poll, I'm POSITIVE you voted on the same thing the majority did, so stop being such a try hard.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by rufus

the way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

negative nancy

[contego]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

Not relevent to the thread, and tbh neither is about half of what unknown and nervNAT has said.

rel·e·vant

a: having significant and demonstrable bearing on the matter at hand

b: affording evidence tending to prove or disprove the matter at issue or under discussion <relevant testimony>

c: having social relevance

It's becoming a bickering battle rather than working to make a positive change with Classic. It's clear we're all passionate about Classic, so let's focus the energy in the right direction.

Again we all agree the HD is the primary issue.

Let's start there.

[unknown]

Not one person has had a valid argument against ours, except for the fact that it would be HARD to make changes. Please, don't bother posting until you kids have something RELEVANT to say.

[unknown]

Hey contego, just remember that if you have any questions, you can ask Debbie Downer, I mean Laura, shes a FAQ!

[unknown]

I agree with contego, I am sick of going back and forth with you 2. It's like you like bickering with us. Please, for the sake of classic, post something that actually has something to really do with this thread.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

I agree with contego, I am sick of going back and forth with you 2. It's like you like bickering with us. Please, for the sake of classic, post something that actually has something to really do with this thread.

Originally Posted by unknown

lol laura, come on now, you can do better than that.

your insults are repetitive and not even good.

Originally Posted by unknown

Hey contego, just remember that if you have any questions, you can ask Debbie Downer, I mean Laura, shes a FAQ!

after replying a post that wasnt directly throwed at you , your saying im the one bickering you?

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

after replying a post that wasnt directly throwed at you , your saying im the one bickering you?

I was just stating the facts since you quoted him and then said "where did I say his name"

plus I am going to stick up for him since hes my friend and actually wants to do some real good for this game even though he doesn't have to.

Besides, I wasn't arguing with anyone until you and Rufus came along.

[xnervNATx]

i agree at 50% with contego however,the main problem is not the hd , the problem is ...there nothing fun to do at all except bowling, card game sux and bowling is ok .about the hd there this new exodus arena coming up, its has two different hd spar and pk room. default and clientside.

[unknown]

Laura, I am sorry but you are the only person who likes the current hit detection. If you feel thats wrong, feel free to go on classic and give people this thread to vote on.

If we could just get an OK to try to jump start classic, we could start discussing what needs to be done and all.

I am sure contego can establish an awesome team to add to classics current team.

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

i agree at 50% with contego however,the main problem is not the hd , the problem is ...there nothing fun to do at all except bowling, card game sux and bowling is ok .about the hd there this new exodus arena coming up, its has two different hd spar and pk room. default and clientside.

Thank you Laura, but in all fairness 3 say the current HD is fine and 48 others are having an issue with the current HD.

Doesn't majority rule?

[unknown]

Originally Posted by contego

Thank you Laura, but in all fairness 3 say the current HD is fine and 48 others are having an issue with the current HD.

Doesn't majority rule?

We shouldn't even count the leave it as is people, seeing as its probably dev staff who don't want to do the work :P but everyones entitled to their opinion...though majority rules.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

Thank you Laura, but in all fairness 3 say the current HD is fine and 48 others are having an issue with the current HD.

Doesn't majority rule?

this is not un :P

actually everyone *****ed about serverside at one time and now its about clientside.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

this is not un :P

actually everyone *****ed about serverside at one time and now its about clientside.

This has nothing to do with UN. Its about the hit detection not being what it ORIGINALLY was on graal, which it still remains on other servers, but not the one that matters. Why do you think people left classic in the first place?

If you guys are scared new dev would stop, I'd bet you're wrong.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

This has nothing to do with UN. Its about the hit detection not being what it ORIGINALLY was on graal, which it still remains on other servers, but not the one that matters. Why do you think people left classic in the first place?

If you guys are scared new dev would stop, I'd bet you're wrong.

you people want to play "old classic" not the current one, dev are surely working hard to improve it so you people can enjoy it. stop living in the past

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you people want to play "old classic" not the current one, dev are surely working hard to improve it so you people can enjoy it. stop living in the past

I don't live in the past, its not even about the old levels, ITS ABOUT THE HIT DETECTION! I and I am sure everyone else, is ALL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. maybe you guys should read the previous posts more thoroughly.

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you people want to play "old classic" not the current one, dev are surely working hard to improve it so you people can enjoy it. stop living in the past

Hense the name Classic Server.

Go make a new server and GTF off Classic when it comes to development.

Classic IS the start of Graal and was meant to stay that way. It's not meant to be changed or altered. Adding events or games such as your silly little trading card game are ways to attract players.

Poeple like you are keeping Classic dead.

I'm not the only one who wants this change. The numbers speak for themselves. You Laura, are extremely unreasonable.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

i agree at 50% with contego however,the main problem is not the hd , the problem is ...there nothing fun to do at all except bowling, card game sux and bowling is ok .about the hd there this new exodus arena coming up, its has two different hd spar and pk room. default and clientside.

No. No not really at all.

I quit Classic because the Hit Detection SUCKS. Whoever scripted that should be hung upside-down for a week.

If the Hit Detection weren't so horrible, I would definitely log on and PK/Spar.

But it does. And that's why 50 some people voted that it Sucks as well. I'm pretty sure they didn't vote for the wrong thing.

[BlackSolider]

HD sucks and kills a lot of aspects of Classic, thus it should be top priority. Of course, its going to take a lot of work to change.

And now I'm going to complete switch gears with the next post. Enjoy.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

HD sucks and kills a lot of aspects of Classic, thus it should be top priority. Of course, its going to take a lot of work to change.

And now I'm going to complete switch gears with the next post. Enjoy.

idk if you remember but....from what i heard thor made a new hd(clientside) because people were "crying that the serverside hd sucked" dont worry that wasnt me, then he switched for clientside and now you want it switched back, wth?

[BlackSolider]

The fact remains that a bunch of people who do not play current classic have all of a sudden appeared and tried to push for drastic changes. How effective such changes would be remains to be seen, but let's try to put this in context.

A bunch of nostalgic oldbies see our server in its dismal state and see an opportunity to reclaim what was lost. They don't give a damn about the people who spent the past several years dedicated to a so-so server. They don't give a damn about what has been worked on in the past because, to them, nothing will ever be good enough compared to old classic.

It's obvious to everyone who's played or visited current classic that things are not looking good. But restoring everything from a decade ago is not the "miracle solution" that Classic needs. Classic needs a LOT of solutions, because we have a LOT of problems. There is no one single solution to automatically fix everything.

As far as I'm concerned, Classic doesn't need these old levels back. Nor do our players specifically want old classic back. The players of classic want the server to be fixed up, not replaced. If they wanted to play an entirely new server (which is essentially what you're suggesting,) they would have stopped playing classic a long time ago.

The fact of the matter is that you simply cannot simply come to our server after never extensively playing it, tell our staff team: "hey, stop everything you're working on because our idea is better," and expect them to drop everything and work on this massive restoration project.

From what I can see, you guys are just using our server's current state as an excuse to try and regain old classic. You sure as hell don't give a damn about us; you're just doing this for yourselves. Don't even play the "well this will help you guys" bull****. This is about you guys realizing your nostalgic dreams. Whether it was a good thing or not, old classic is dead and gone (reference to a song.) So don't show up one day, introduce your grand scheme, then expect to sit back on UN or w/e the hell you're from for several months while our staff works hard on your project. If you want old classic back, restore it yourselves. Don't show up one day and expect people to do it for you.

Classic, as it is, cannot afford to have the entire dev team work on this restoration project while the current players slowly leave over the many months it will take. You guys don't find that as a problem because you don't have to sit around all day waiting for a GC to log on to have some entertainment. You guys have the luxury of sitting around on UN or w/e until the project is complete. We don't.

In the end, we have to do what's best for our current players and current server. We can't afford to neglect them for months just because some oldbie players want their server back. We need to fix classic for our current players, not replace it for previous players.

I can already envision your counter arguments that range from "look at the polls you retard" to "this move would save your server idiot." Don't give me that bull****. This move is about saving your server, not our server. I miss graal2000; it was my first server. It had wayyyy more quests than classic might ever have. I wish it could return, but I don't around telling people to work for months on it just so I can live out my nostalgia. It's ****ing selfish to try and tell a server what to do for your own personal wants. Your idea would essentially kill our server, and from it's ashes, your server would be born. That's good for you; not good for us. Would it be best for the server known as Classic? Perhaps it would. But it's not whats best for classic's current players. We survived for years on a 30-40 avg playercount by hosting the hell out of our events while a variety of dev teams screwed around on the next "classic-saving project". The failure of the many dev teams has ultimately resulted in a massive decline for our server. We have to fix the problems we made; not cover them up in some levels from the early 2000s.

So there you have it. Whether you agree with that I said (however unlikely) or not, do realize it's going to take far more than a thread will a poll on a forum to bring back your old server. It's going to take hours and hours of work, something that you guys need to do if you want your server back. Classic's staff isn't going to do it for you while you sit around and wait for it to happen.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The fact remains that a bunch of people who do not play current classic have all of a sudden appeared and tried to push for drastic changes. How effective such changes would be remains to be seen, but let's try to put this in context.

A bunch of nostalgic oldbies see our server in its dismal state and see an opportunity to reclaim what was lost. They don't give a damn about the people who spent the past several years dedicated to a so-so server. They don't give a damn about what has been worked on in the past because, to them, nothing will ever be good enough compared to old classic.

It's obvious to everyone who's played or visited current classic that things are not looking good. But restoring everything from a decade ago is not the "miracle solution" that Classic needs. Classic needs a LOT of solutions, because we have a LOT of problems. There is no one single solution to automatically fix everything.

As far as I'm concerned, Classic doesn't need these old levels back. Nor do our players specifically want old classic back. The players of classic want the server to be fixed up, not replaced. If they wanted to play an entirely new server (which is essentially what you're suggesting,) they would have stopped playing classic a long time ago.

The fact of the matter is that you simply cannot simply come to our server after never extensively playing it, tell our staff team: "hey, stop everything you're working on because our idea is better," and expect them to drop everything and work on this massive restoration project.

From what I can see, you guys are just using our server's current state as an excuse to try and regain old classic. You sure as hell don't give a damn about us; you're just doing this for yourselves. Don't even play the "well this will help you guys" bull****. This is about you guys realizing your nostalgic dreams. Whether it was a good thing or not, old classic is dead and gone (reference to a song.) So don't show up one day, introduce your grand scheme, then expect to sit back on UN or w/e the hell you're from for several months while our staff works hard on your project. If you want old classic back, restore it yourselves. Don't show up one day and expect people to do it for you.

Classic, as it is, cannot afford to have the entire dev team work on this restoration project while the current players slowly leave over the many months it will take. You guys don't find that as a problem because you don't have to sit around all day waiting for a GC to log on to have some entertainment. You guys have the luxury of sitting around on UN or w/e until the project is complete. We don't.

In the end, we have to do what's best for our current players and current server. We can't afford to neglect them for months just because some oldbie players want their server back. We need to fix classic for our current players, not replace it for previous players.

I can already envision your counter arguments that range from "look at the polls you retard" to "this move would save your server idiot." Don't give me that bull****. This move is about saving your server, not our server. I miss graal2000; it was my first server. It had wayyyy more quests than classic might ever have. I wish it could return, but I don't around telling people to work for months on it just so I can live out my nostalgia. It's ****ing selfish to try and tell a server what to do for your own personal wants. Your idea would essentially kill our server, and from it's ashes, your server would be born. That's good for you; not good for us. Would it be best for the server known as Classic? Perhaps it would. But it's not whats best for classic's current players. We survived for years on a 30-40 avg playercount by hosting the hell out of our events while a variety of dev teams screwed around on the next "classic-saving project". The failure of the many dev teams has ultimately resulted in a massive decline for our server. We have to fix the problems we made; not cover them up in some levels from the early 2000s.

So there you have it. Whether you agree with that I said (however unlikely) or not, do realize it's going to take far more than a thread will a poll on a forum to bring back your old server. It's going to take hours and hours of work, something that you guys need to do if you want your server back. Classic's staff isn't going to do it for you while you sit around and wait for it to happen.

tl;dr.

I see you bolded current players. I don't know to what relevance that means to your post.

Classic doesn't have any current players. It has, at most, 7 people online. And that's a miracle. Private servers get more players than that.

I just read your last paragraph. Okay, make some new people staff. I'm sure there's tons of people willing to help restore Classic. Tons of people have probably offered in this thread alone. So get your head out of your ass.

[BlackSolider]

Both suck. Server side has its flaws, as does client. I don't pretend to understand how they work, but I'm told there are better ways.

As for "wanting it switched back," I don't care which one we use, though I think server is better. I simply want the best HD we can have that actually works. What that is, I don't know, so I'll leave it up to the so-called experts.

[xnervNATx]

serverside sk bcause its detect where the PLAYER is on your screen.

clientside is good because its detect where you are on YOUR screen.

so if u lag spike a little you can lose with that.

[unknown]

ok, I'm really sick of hearing this reason about "current classic players"

look, go on classic and send the thread to your current players ok?

its not really ONLY about CURRENT players, its about people who want to play classic, PERIOD.

[BlackSolider]

No, you want to play "old classic", not current classic. Don't give me that bull****. I'm thinking about the consequences of such a move for the people that currently play classic; something you guys are failing to think about b/c you're blinded by your nostalgia.