The Truth

Eclipse · #1 03-28-2009, 06:51 PM

I took this off the better forums where people dont get banned for voiceing there opinions

"I have a feeling you guys, and when I say "you" I mean Curtis and Angel, are wasting your time with the dev server. What is being done is the polar ****ing opposite of what players have said they wanted, and when I tried to explain that to you, the response was "players don't know what they want...they're just negative for the sake of being negative"

If players don't like your ideas, you can't assume "they don't know what they really want"...you need to assume your ideas ****ing suck. And as far as the rest of the team being "place-holders", I'd really like to see you guys make it anywhere by yourselves."

salesman · #2 03-28-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eclipse

I took this off the better forums where people dont get banned for voiceing there opinions

"I have a feeling you guys, and when I say "you" I mean Curtis and Angel, are wasting your time with the dev server. What is being done is the polar ****ing opposite of what players have said they wanted, and when I tried to explain that to you, the response was "players don't know what they want...they're just negative for the sake of being negative"

If players don't like your ideas, you can't assume "they don't know what they really want"...you need to assume your ideas ****ing suck. And as far as the rest of the team being "place-holders", I'd really like to see you guys make it anywhere by yourselves."

Heh, out of context that doesn't really have as much of a meaning

Frankie · #3 03-28-2009, 08:11 PM

deo tends to lock / delete threads where people voice their opinion if it's anything negative.

anyway, I agree. curt and angel are both respectable developers but I don't like their attitude on issues relating to the server.

Curt1zzle · #4 03-28-2009, 08:31 PM

You have absolutely no idea what our plans are for Era dev. There is no definite plan, it's speculation.

My job is to create an overworld. That is what I'm doing. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't care of politics, I care about getting an overworld made.

Bashing Angel's credibility in server design, especially since she was involved in Era's creation with Delph, is pretty out of line for someone like yourself, who has all but none.

Aldaris · #5 03-28-2009, 08:34 PM

Hopefully these additions will be added by Christmas, or possibly Halloween.

Just don't break the speed limit fellas.

DuBsTeRmAn · #6 03-28-2009, 08:37 PM

Acutally i really LOVE the new gmap.. I've seen a picture of it and its nice.

Curt1zzle · #7 03-28-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aldaris

Hopefully these additions will be added by Christmas, or possibly Halloween.

Just don't break the speed limit fellas.

My team has been on board for 1.5 weeks. But since you say so, we'll definitely speed things up. I really value your input September 2008.

Aldaris · #8 03-28-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

My team has been on board for 1.5 weeks. But since you say so, we'll definitely speed things up. I really value your input September 2008.

How does the date that I joined the forums relate to the date that I joined Era?

Angel · #9 03-28-2009, 10:35 PM

Completely taken out of context. I am very open to criticism. If I take that criticism and use it is a different matter.

The "Era" that was released on preview was not under my authorization or within the spec of my plan. It was silly to release that to players as now we have lost some credibility on what we are trying to create. T

If anyone wishes to see our progress, I invite you to PM (forum or in-game) and I will tour you so you can actually get a semi-decent idea of what we are actually attempting.

Thank you

CharlieM · #10 03-28-2009, 11:06 PM

I hate the style that Era Dev is going for its horrible, ERA DOESN'T need a change. Add more, Fix more. The current GMAP on era dev is horrible not just level wise the whole going of it is horrible. It would be nice if either of you would share what is going on on the Dev server with the players. Sure some wont understand but the majority that wants to know will understand whats going on if you tell them, and will give you viable input. If you just go along with the players not knowing what they want you might as well shut era dev down now. Take the players opinions of what they want 90percent of the time they know what they want more then you. Don't make decisions without getting opinions of the players and taking polls, what good is spending months on making something that no one wants? Share updates. Don't act like Era Dev is a need to know bases. It isn't, Your forgetting why your staff, Your job is to keep the players happy not to do your own projects. You work for the players. Don't forget that because it appears that you have.

btw Curt, Aldaris isn't his first account thats his most recent account

Banditz · #11 03-29-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

Acutally i really LOVE the new gmap.. I've seen a picture of it and its nice.

Me aswell.. I really like it.
I can see the island to the west being deserted though.

Andre2006 · #12 03-29-2009, 11:21 AM

I kinda liked what I saw when the dev server was opened for a few hours. Sure it needs a lot of detail and additions, what I saw was just an empty gmap with no detail at all. I'm sure this will work out fine in the end.

TSAdmin · #13 03-29-2009, 12:01 PM

I don't really like the new GMAP, but I do like change, so I am open to going with the change and just making do with what is sent our way as players.

As far as I am concerned, I don't play the server to see if the GMAP will change, I play it for what you can DO on it, such as have a bit of fun PKing with your friends. Who cares in what setting you do it, just walk into a PK zone and shoot a gun in someone's direction and you're set. It matters very little about the aesthetic surroundings if you actually get into the real Era, rather than worry about how it looks as you idle in Unstick Me.

BlueMelon · #14 03-29-2009, 01:59 PM

The one thing i really dont like is the train system... Its kinda ugly if its going all across everywhere...

I agree with CharlieM Keep the current Gmap and make slow updates. Change a few things, add more like something in the unused space of water ect.

[email protected] · #15 03-29-2009, 02:04 PM

hrmh, i have the old scripts if you want them?

Frankie · #16 03-29-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I don't really like the new GMAP, but I do like change, so I am open to going with the change and just making do with what is sent our way as players.

As far as I am concerned, I don't play the server to see if the GMAP will change, I play it for what you can DO on it, such as have a bit of fun PKing with your friends. Who cares in what setting you do it, just walk into a PK zone and shoot a gun in someone's direction and you're set. It matters very little about the aesthetic surroundings if you actually get into the real Era, rather than worry about how it looks as you idle in Unstick Me.

exactly.

a new gmap isn't a big deal at all. it'll be the same boring game except with a different map. not very exciting imo.

CharlieM · #17 03-29-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

exactly.

a new gmap isn't a big deal at all. it'll be the same boring game except with a different map. not very exciting imo.

I would be fine with a new Gmap but I don't like the style they are going for as the base of it, It is unapealing to the eyes, I was hoping for the themed areas that were talked about, but sofar I didn't see any. If the developers would just release info of whats going on, Get opinions from players they wouldn't have anything bad to say because they would know about it before it was done.

salesman · #18 03-29-2009, 06:42 PM

The only things I don't like about the gmap itself (as in the way it looks) are the train and the fact that a lot of the buildings don't look anything like what they're supposed to represent. For example, the "Flower Shop" is just a generic 3 story building with a sign slapped on it. I really hope that changes.

My main problem with that they're doing is WHY they're doing it, or the ideas behind having 3 islands. Maybe someone should explain because I'm not sure if I can.

BlueMelon · #19 03-29-2009, 06:59 PM

And i dont like the buildings.. They're kinda ugly also

Curt1zzle · #20 03-30-2009, 03:51 AM

That's because Deo opened it for player review literally a few days after I came on board. I had just hired my first LAT, and I literally hadn't done anything with him except for a few buildings on the South East.

There's been boo koo progress since then.

DazJenova · #21 03-30-2009, 01:17 PM

Yeah mesh has really shaped up the gmap and it looks a hell of alot better.

Banditz · #22 03-30-2009, 07:50 PM

*Mesh_P2P (LAT) (Mon Mar 30 18:21:18 2009):
Mass message:
To the Erians,

Thanks to me, and ONLY me.. The Gmap is 2 buildings away from being complete. 3 islands, completely refurbished by me. Once i've finished these last 2 buildings, then i add detail around the map. Then i'll make inside levels, an use some old inside levels.

Thats all.

Thanks Mesh. <3

(Sorry if im not allowed to post this, but it seems ok?)

Arakonda · #23 03-30-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Banditz

*Mesh_P2P (LAT) (Mon Mar 30 18:21:18 2009):
Mass message:
To the Erians,

Thanks to me, and ONLY me.. The Gmap is 2 buildings away from being complete. 3 islands, completely refurbished by me. Once i've finished these last 2 buildings, then i add detail around the map. Then i'll make inside levels, an use some old inside levels.

Thats all.

Thanks Mesh. <3

(Sorry if im not allowed to post this, but it seems ok?)

I love the part where he says: ''Thanks to me, and ONLY me..''

Aldaris · #24 03-30-2009, 11:07 PM

When can we tour the GMAP again?

Stokell88 · #25 03-31-2009, 05:10 PM

Era doesn't need a new gmap, it needs bringing back to it's former glory days.

fragman85 · #26 03-31-2009, 05:33 PM

Mesh is actually a pretty nice LAT.

But you have to fire him as soon as he asks for a higher position.

CharlieM · #27 03-31-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fragman85

Mesh is actually a pretty nice LAT.

But you have to fire him as soon as he asks for a higher position.

Lol your right if you say no he goes corrupt

Xelnaga · #28 04-03-2009, 04:22 PM

I believe the current staff is far too focused on era dev. I acknowledge their hard work, dedication, and contribution to that project; however Era dev is set off in a far off land in the distant future. Today's Era has been completely neglected and pushed aside for years, almost as if change to the current server is blasphemous. Only recently have I seen the stone wall crumble with the release of instruments and the wood shop, the concert was probably the most exciting event I've witnessed in several years. Businesses and Gangs don't account for anything; I want to see quests, new systems, more productive methods for noobs to generate money. Consider the concept a "beta" where players can provide feedback, if the idea is fair then it will be carried over to dev.
Era has become stingy and secure, I saw it coming when Ocelot was implemented into administration a few years back. Seriously loosen the **** up.

Obama promised change, where is my change?

LordSquirt · #29 04-03-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Xelnaga

I believe the current staff is far too focused on era dev. I acknowledge their hard work, dedication, and contribution to that project; however Era dev is set off in a far off land in the distant future. Today's Era has been completely neglected and pushed aside for years, almost as if change to the current server is blasphemous. Only recently have I seen the stone wall crumble with the release of instruments and the wood shop, the concert was probably the most exciting event I've witnessed in several years. Businesses and Gangs don't account for anything; I want to see quests, new systems, more productive methods for noobs to generate money. Consider the concept a "beta" where players can provide feedback, if the idea is fair then it will be carried over to dev.
Era has become stingy and secure, I saw it coming when Ocelot was implemented into administration a few years back. Seriously loosen the **** up.

Obama promised change, where is my change?

You say you want change and for us to add more things to the current server. However, be specific and say EXACTLY what you want. You give some general things such as quests, but I think the opposite. Quests aren't fun to me, I don't even do the quest for the 'fun' of it, I just want the prize at the end, and I honestly don't care about the story line, or what you have to obtain the prize. (This is just my views on quests.)

Also, you say we should add more ways for noobs to get money with. I don't see the point of that when noobs in the first place aren't even using the current systems in place. Over time I do believe we should add more choices to the players on ways of obtaining money, however, currently they aren't even using the systems that are already designed, so I don't see it as a priority of making new systems when they most likely won't be used after a week.

If you do have ideas though of things that should be implemented on the main server, just post it. If it's good i'm sure that it will be made and designed. I was the one who thought of doing the whole instrument/concert thing and for me to get all the graphics, ganis, sounds, levels, it only took less than a week to make.

Andre2006 · #30 04-03-2009, 10:33 PM

What Era people need to learn is that prizes gotta drop sooner or later. There is nobody that can go and dig up a 150k in a day to buy a deagle or like a glock.

Xelnaga · #31 04-04-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

You say you want change and for us to add more things to the current server. However, be specific and say EXACTLY what you want. You give some general things such as quests, but I think the opposite. Quests aren't fun to me, I don't even do the quest for the 'fun' of it, I just want the prize at the end, and I honestly don't care about the story line, or what you have to obtain the prize. (This is just my views on quests.)

Also, you say we should add more ways for noobs to get money with. I don't see the point of that when noobs in the first place aren't even using the current systems in place. Over time I do believe we should add more choices to the players on ways of obtaining money, however, currently they aren't even using the systems that are already designed, so I don't see it as a priority of making new systems when they most likely won't be used after a week.

If you do have ideas though of things that should be implemented on the main server, just post it. If it's good i'm sure that it will be made and designed. I was the one who thought of doing the whole instrument/concert thing and for me to get all the graphics, ganis, sounds, levels, it only took less than a week to make.

I am not developing era, and so that isn't my job. I'm pitching a concept to you and providing vague examples to clarify myself.
-No one claimed quests had to be extravagant works of genius, they are simply in existance to keep the community busy and entertained. The current quests are ineffective because the damage transition of the npc baddies were not changed from the 14 hp system to the 140 health point system, and so I see mobs of baddies biting at me dealing no more than 2 hp.
- Noobs do in fact use these systems as I am asked countless times "WHAT IS BEST WAY 2 BE RICH", and I always seem to have the same stale answers readily prepared for them.
But before even begining to consider the existance of new concepts, administration should first focus on repairing and improving older and neglected ideas.
Whatever happened to...
Motorbikes
Era Appartments
Helicopters
Club Redfox
The Mall

fragman85 · #32 04-04-2009, 09:56 AM

Noobs don't use those systems?

Obviously you're the noob here, Squirt.

Noobs would use the system if they could get rich with them, which is impossible right now!

In the times you weren't here (on Era), you could get almost every weapon by mining, yes, even by gambling in the casino.

BlueMelon · #33 04-04-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fragman85

Noobs don't use those systems?

Noobs would use the system if they could get rich with them, which is impossible right now!

I agree
Exept they can get the taurus, M3 and all the little guns that people with 3 mil still use

Nataxo · #34 04-04-2009, 02:58 PM

Ak47 > all

LordSquirt · #35 04-04-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fragman85

Noobs don't use those systems?

Obviously you're the noob here, Squirt.

Noobs would use the system if they could get rich with them, which is impossible right now!

In the times you weren't here (on Era), you could get almost every weapon by mining, yes, even by gambling in the casino.

That was before people were spawning and duping items. With the current team we took about 6mil+ out of the economy by doing the hat auction as well as the hotel auction. The economy is BETTER than it was before, however, yes it could still be better. It will be impossible to revert it back the old ways, we can only lessen the problems. Right now only one person has more than a million while before there was several (4-6).

[email protected] · #36 04-04-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nataxo

Ak47 > all

I'm an uzi guy

CharlieM · #37 04-04-2009, 04:55 PM

Most people who have that kind of money spread it on accounts or share in groups. It isn't impossible to revert to the old ways. The old ways you think of aren't the old times we are referring to they mean back when 10k was a lot you mean when everyone was über rich

fragman85 · #38 04-04-2009, 08:27 PM

Yes, the people with 3 Mil that use those guns are sooo skilled.

Oh wait, do they also use speed level 1

?

Oh and, why taking money out of the economy?
You could just raise the money you can make by mining etc. oO

salesman · #39 04-04-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fragman85

Oh and, why taking money out of the economy?
You could just raise the money you can make by mining etc. oO

That's just like printing money, and won't solve anything.

Even trying to take money out of the economy is wasted effort at this point. Money isn't even really the problem...the spawned/duped $$ still exists as weapons, hotels, and hats.

Xelnaga · #40 04-07-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by salesman

That's just like printing money, and won't solve anything.

Even trying to take money out of the economy is wasted effort at this point. Money isn't even really the problem...the spawned/duped $$ still exists as weapons, hotels, and hats.

That's not even neccessarily true anymore. I have taken notice that pricings have exponentially dropped over the last few months. Sten would be an ideal example, rolling today for $200,000-$300,000 comparing to december's $1mil.
Regardless if there was spawned cash or not, these objects will still exist at a lowered value and currently the values are decreasing and settling.
Far priceyer weapons (Shipka, DR, PBP, MT, Ak47), are making these changes as well at a much slower pace.
Drying money from the economy is very effective, It can be further executed with a few auctions and weapon releases at Neotechnology.