Thor is out of control

[DarkCloud_PK]

it doesnt get bleeped out glad it just gets logged, I think mostly for the people who spam it, or people that use racial slurs and not who casually use a profanity. I think stryker is very lax on profanity on classic

[Bell]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

it doesnt get bleeped out glad it just gets logged, I think mostly for the people who spam it, or people that use racial slurs and not who casually use a profanity. I think stryker is very lax on profanity on classic

True statement. Both Masterstorm and Stryker feel that unless its getting out of hand or insulting/harassing another player its acceptable. If they jailed/banned for every 'bad' word, the entire group involved in a CTF would end up in jail after the event. Saying that though its not really necessary to drop the f bomb every other word either. It makes people look like they're too stupid to figure out a better word to use.

[Unpredlctable]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

i dont know you two hang out together like bff's

sir you have yet to answer my question

[Polo]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Seriously, where exactly is the line? Different places draw the line after different words (if at all) and its pretty ****ing retarded. What ever happened to freedom of speech? I think there's a clause in there saying "you can say anything as long as it doesn't offend people" or something; but different things are offensive to some and not to others, so that theory really doesn't work at all.

Until there's an offical legal statement saying which words are acceptable or not, I don't feel its acceptable for any program/website/tv station/video/etc. to prohibit use of certain words. Don't use age as an excuse because there are plenty of worse things for underage kids to see/do than say "damn".

Just to reiterate what Bell said, but I'm fairly relaxed on swearing. The way I see it is that if no-one is offended by what you are saying, then there's no reason for me to punish it. Pretty much the most you'll get from me is the occasional gagging.

You say yourself that different words are offensive to different people, and this is exactly why we don't publish a list of banned words. I'm pretty sure there are words you use frequently amongst your friends, but wouldn't dare think of saying in front of your grandmother. When you're swearing on the overworld or in mass messages, everyone can see the words you type, even those not involved in the conversation. That's where you are most at risk of offending people. Different words can also be offensive to different people at different times. I'll use the old example of 'lollin@pic!', which in itself is not offensive at all, but at the time was being used deliberately to upset some players.

It's a pretty easy rule to follow in general: if someone is offended by what you say, apologize and stop saying it. For the most part it's not the words you use, but the way you use them that is offensive.

Regarding the logging, the system logs chat based on a set of words which we think could be offensive to the majority of people. The logs generated are only to be used when a complaint is made and no-one was online to check the incident out. It is not there for us to just trawl through and punish people on our own whim. I know many of you have concerns that we are logging a lot of legitimate chat, and this is something I'm looking at. I can already think of some easy adjustments that will bring the number of false positives down dramatically. Eventually, it would be nice to drop the logging altogether.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

it doesnt get bleeped out glad it just gets logged, I think mostly for the people who spam it, or people that use racial slurs and not who casually use a profanity. I think stryker is very lax on profanity on classic

It's worth noting that while I'm lax on profanity I've also been given permission to place a swear filter on the server if necessary. I'd rather not hinder the playercount by jailing/banning people and some are taking advantage of this. If I have to eliminate swearing to keep people on the server I will.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

It's worth noting that while I'm lax on profanity I've also been given permission to place a swear filter on the server if necessary. I'd rather not hinder the playercount by jailing/banning people and some are taking advantage of this. If I have to eliminate swearing to keep people on the server I will.

You know as well as I do, that a swear filter would eliminate a lot of more players than it would even brign in.

[Rufus]

What the hell? No one even mentioned the filter or swearing even being an issue in itself. What I addressed was administrators (namely Thor) being able to look at logs willy nilly, whenever they felt in the mood for having a browse through what people talk about. The issue with the filter was the amount of words that it picked up aside from swearing.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by Rufus

What the hell? No one even mentioned the filter or swearing even being an issue in itself. What I addressed was administrators (namely Thor) being able to look at logs willy nilly, whenever they felt in the mood for having a browse through what people talk about. The issue with the filter was the amount of words that it picked up aside from swearing.

I think I allieviated some of that by removing ass.
Thus removing classic getting logged, and only a much much smaller, more relevant list remains. I bet the log is less than half the volume it was before.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I think I allieviated some of that by removing ass.
Thus removing classic, getting logged, and only a much much smaller, more relevant list remains. I bet the log is less than half the volume it was before.

So how many words are left?

[DarkCloud_PK]

Like 25. Out of like 200/300 that it was before.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

You know as well as I do, that a swear filter would eliminate a lot of more players than it would even brign in.

Which is why there isn't one now. A last resort is a last resort.

Originally Posted by Rufus

What the hell? No one even mentioned the filter or swearing even being an issue in itself. What I addressed was administrators (namely Thor) being able to look at logs willy nilly, whenever they felt in the mood for having a browse through what people talk about. The issue with the filter was the amount of words that it picked up aside from swearing.

The logs are used to see what we usually can not as staff can't be everywhere. Any other use places the staff using the log in the wrong.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

The logs are used to see what we usually can not as staff can't be everywhere. Any other use places the staff using the log in the wrong.

Is there really any need to be logging 25 different words? I don't see the purpose in it, especially since you have the tool that displays people swearing in real time. You've just said that you're "lax on profanity" so why is it necessary to log this stuff every single time it is said?

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Which is why there isn't one now. A last resort is a last resort.

How is it a resort, when the effect it will have will be overwhelmingly negative?
You could put in a togglable filter to give people options, but saying eliminate makes it sound permanent

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Is there really any need to be logging 25 different words? I don't see the purpose in it, especially since you have the tool that displays people swearing in real time. You've just said that you're "lax on profanity" so why is it necessary to log this stuff every single time it is said?

The log is there so I can go back and verify any complaints I get while I'm not online. The real time swear display is there for when I am on and saves me time having to check a log.

"Lax on profanity" does not mean "Totally ignorant to". Some things are acceptable, some are not.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

How is it a resort, when the effect it will have will be overwhelmingly negative?
You could put in a togglable filter to give people options, but saying eliminate makes it sound permanent

I never said in what manner a filter would be place so any theory on how it would affect player count is purely speculation. Mass messages have been crossing the line lately and that's our concern for filtering.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

The log is there so I can go back and verify any complaints I get while I'm not online.

The real time swear display is there for when I am on and saves me time having to check a log.

"Lax on profanity" does not mean "Totally ignorant to". Some things are acceptable, some are not.

Complaints for what though, swearing? I don't think I've ever seen people getting punished for swearing that was done a couple of days before the complaint, only in the case for members of staff. There's a conflict of interest here. You're saying you're lax on profanity, but there are logs so you can go back and jail people for using it? I can understand racism, but I don't even think I can name 5 racial slurs.