4 Years of being stagnant - Page 19

MysticX2X · #**271** 02-28-2009, 05:27 AM

That's funny Gladius because I remember you primarily being one of the people to complain oh so much about this HD. In fact, only the US guild complained so much.

BlackSolider · #**272** 02-28-2009, 08:00 AM

Funny because I never said it was good in any of my previous posts. I'm simply saying stop *****ing about something you asked for. Comment about it or try to get it changed. But stop crying all the damn time over it. "No I won't join the event b/c its clientside!!!!!"

Bell · #**273** 02-28-2009, 10:04 AM

Probably a good thing most these people weren't around pre npc to remember the horrific lag that is considered so wonderful to faded memories now.

Rufus · #**274** 02-28-2009, 03:30 PM

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I think he means it effects them psychologically. It isn't simply a matter of choice, it's something that hits you subconsciously. If players constantly attack you, and criticize everything you make, big or small, you'll begin to lack the enthusiasm and desire you may of had when you begun, and then you'll stop developing altogether. He is suggesting that we use positive reinforcement when dealing with the content presented to us. You can criticize, but do it in a helpful way that won't discourage the developer (and this is not to say that you have to hold their hand and make sure they don't throw a fit; just saying there are other ways of saying 'I hate it' other than 'it sucks').

I don't think I have ever stated that something just sucks, in fact I don't think I have seen anyone say something like that for a long time because I encouraged people to start voicing their true opinions more. If the development team need to be babied in order to for them to work and release decent content though then they're not doing their jobs. Positive reinforcement doesn't work for content that you genuinely don't think fits in either.

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

That's funny Gladius because I remember you primarily being one of the people to complain oh so much about this HD. In fact, only the US guild complained so much.

Okay so everyone else (including the people I do not get on with) just jumped on the bandwaggon, eh?

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"No I won't join the event b/c its clientside!!!!!"

What is wrong with that quote?

xnervNATx · #**275** 02-28-2009, 03:48 PM

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That's funny Gladius because I remember you primarily being one of the people to complain oh so much about this HD. In fact, only the US guild complained so much.

look who talking mister "i stop playing ctf cause this hd suck".

Crimson2005 · #**276** 02-28-2009, 03:58 PM

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I'm simply saying stop *****ing about something you asked for.

Yea they asked for it but that doesn't mean that the players should be blamed because it is crap. The players didn't know it was going to be crap did they? No. Just blame the players for the Developers doings though, right?

MysticX2X · #**277** 02-28-2009, 05:02 PM

@Gladius: Did you respond to anything at all in my post? Apparently it doesn't look like it.
@Rufus: I just haven't seen that many people complain so much from other parties.
@Xaphan: Yeah the players knew what they were getting. It was tested in several events, including CTF, several spars and pk/zones if i remember correctly.

I know I'm complaining a lot about the serverside HD, primarily because I have no clue where I'm going to be hit because my ping will either go up or down. Both HD's suck quite honestly but at least you just had to adjust to Clientside. Some hits didnt count because most of us are american players and we lag so you can't expect to hit laggers quite easily.

Crimson2005 · #**278** 02-28-2009, 05:46 PM

Nah Mystic, the players just voted for change for the sake of change.

BlackSolider · #**279** 02-28-2009, 05:57 PM

@ Mystic. Ya I totally responded to what you said. Are you really that blind? You said I was "one of the people who complained about the HD". I said "I never said the HD was good, just stop *****ing at the devs for doing something you wanted." So ya, I clearly responded to it kthx.

@ Xaphan. What were the players expecting when they voted for clientside then? Surely the news about the occasional no-hits was out there.

maximus_asinus · #**280** 02-28-2009, 06:26 PM

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I don't think I have ever stated that something just sucks, in fact I don't think I have seen anyone say something like that for a long time because I encouraged people to start voicing their true opinions more. If the development team need to be babied in order to for them to work and release decent content though then they're not doing their jobs. Positive reinforcement doesn't work for content that you genuinely don't think fits in either.

I never meant you specifically, and yes, people still go around and say "it sucks", or "I don't like it" without giving any constructive criticism. Some people say "it isn't Classic" and leave it at that, which is exactly the same. What is constructive about that?

I never suggested babying them, I only meant that you should treat them how they deserve to be treated; as people, people who volunteered. They don't get much respect from anyone for the hard work and long hours they put in (which they don't see a penny for, nor even a thank you).

maximus_asinus · #**281** 02-28-2009, 06:38 PM

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@Rufus: I just haven't seen that many people complain so much from other parties.

The list of people who complained was quite large (someone higher up had to of noticed something, because Nighty gave the go ahead to switch back). I complained, and I'm not in US, and I am on the verge of hating Rufus because every post he makes against the development of Classic is both ironic and hypocritical since he is sitting on a server with no plans on a release. He doesn't tell me what to do, or whatever you're trying to suggest there.

MysticX2X · #**282** 02-28-2009, 07:29 PM

@Gladius: When have i asked you whether you thought the HD was good or not? I made the statement you were one of the people complaining it sucked and you're now telling people to back off the Developers.
@Xaphan: Ummmmmmmmmm, I'm sure most thought it was alright/better. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think when the poll was posted, there as an extra informational notice of some locations with clientside HD to test it out.
@Max: Yeah i know a lot of people complained, some not even US, but I was pointing out some more than others. Literally it was the US guild who complained after the monthly in 20 masses how they couldnt hit anyone. Literally it was the US guild who made the most posts here to take out Clientside. I don't even like the HD but i can just live with it. I lived with serverside for months...

Mark Sir Link · #**283** 02-28-2009, 09:44 PM

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No, the comparison wasn't perfect. But the point should be obvious. You essentially got what you asked for. Shut up and be happy. You could have just as easily gotten no presents or something completely different like a barbie doll (in the case of graal, no additions or a strange HD you didn't ask for.) The dev team actually listened to the players and gave them something they asked for; don't ***** because it isn't perfect or everything you hoped it'd be.

when money changes hands it ceases to be a gift

DustyPorViva · #**284** 02-28-2009, 09:49 PM

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You essentially got what you asked for.

No they didn't. Have you read anything in this thread? You seem to skip the part where the HD is below par.

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Shut up and be happy.

Why?

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You could have just as easily gotten no presents or something completely

Not a good argument. What if Classic hires a substandard scripter, and this scripter works for months and months on a 'new system' for Classic. He actually works his ass off, but because he is a substandard scripter, when he finally releases it it is pretty damn bad and ultimately breaks the server. Nothing is hardly functional, HD sucks, movement sucks, lots of bugs. But he worked his ass off! Does that mean "we should be happy with it because we could have got nothing?" That's basically what you're saying here, because Thor worked and tried to give people what they wanted, they should be happy with it... it doesn't work like that. Have some standards, or else people will release substandard things because they know people don't give a ****.

BlackSolider · #**285** 02-28-2009, 10:15 PM

The people asked for clientside. They got a clientside HD. I don't know exactly what they were expecting. Maybe they didn't realize there would be a 'no-hit' issue with it. If thats the case, the people are stupid for uninformed voting. Maybe I'm wrong in the case that not all clientside HDs have this problem. I don't know enough about HDs to know that. What I do know is that IF the people knew about the 'no-hit' issue and voted for it anyways, they should NOT be *****ing about it.

IF the classic players wanted a new movement system and the dude made one, they should be happy that he DID make a new movement system. If the system sucks ass, then yes they can be mad at the system. But don't be mad at the dev for giving them something they wanted. Be mad that the movement system didn't work like it was advertised to.

Look. I have some standards. No, the HD is not that good at we have a right to be mad about it. But we shouldn't yell at Thor about it because he did give us what we asked for (which doesn't seem to happen often enough.) You can talk with thor about how to make it better, but DO NOT call thor a horrible dev or a bad worker just b/c the HD isn't perfect.