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Old 02-07-2009, 10:18 PM
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Like half the people here even knows what it's like to have a job.
That kind of undermines the whole "children don't play this game" argument...

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Do you know the story behind Spark910?
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't change my opinion on the whole issue.
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:47 PM
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Do you see my point? Act like this is a workplace, and Unixmad is your boss. You might understand what I'm trying to say, then.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:01 AM
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You are using a service and you agreed to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules or the way we moderate, it's your choice to leave the forums.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:22 AM
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You are using a service and you agreed to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules or the way we moderate, it's your choice to leave the forums.
Let us do that then. Everybody who disagrees with the way the forums are currently being moderated let's all just leave. Once the forums have 4 kiss-ass posters left, things will change.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:23 AM
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Let us do that then. Everybody who disagrees with the way the forums are currently being moderated let's all just leave. Once the forums have 4 kiss-ass posters left, things will change.
No it won't because this actually did happen. At one point activity here was very low but nothing changed.

Eventually Houdiniman convinced unixmad to open up the forums for classic posters again (thanks Houdiniman).
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:29 AM
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No it won't because this actually did happen. At one point activity here was very low but nothing changed.

Eventually Houdiniman convinced unixmad to open up the forums for classic posters again (thanks Houdiniman).
I'm well aware of that, I was here for it.

The doesn't change the fact it's about time for the people with brains to move on from this hellhole of flamboyantly annoying moderators.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:17 AM
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The doesn't change the fact it's about time for the people with brains to move on from this hellhole of flamboyantly annoying moderators.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:34 AM
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It's called an analogy, buddy-o.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:15 AM
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You are using a service and you agreed to follow the rules. If you don't like the rules or the way we moderate, it's your choice to leave the forums.
Way to have nothing to do at all with what I said. I didn't say I didn't like to follow the rules, and there's no rule against believing the moderators suck at moderating. I said we're not employees of CJ, we're customers who deserve some acknowledgment or volunteers who deserve recognition and respect.

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It's called an analogy, buddy-o.
So was what I said. The difference is, yours is a pretty far stretch from the truth, mine is not only more accurate, it's precisely what we are, volunteers and customers.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:24 AM
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Eventually Houdiniman convinced unixmad to open up the forums for classic posters again (thanks Houdiniman).
Pretty sure it was Darlene who convinced unixmad to open up the forums for non-Gold.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:24 AM
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So was what I said. The difference is, yours is a pretty far stretch from the truth, mine is not only more accurate, it's precisely what we are, volunteers and customers.
I don't think you know what an analogy is, because what you said is not an analogy at all.

Anyways, since you obviously completely misunderstand was the analogy meant: it meant that, in the same respect that if you insult your boss, he's not going to be nice and give you those hours you've been wanting, if you insult the GraalOnline staff, they're not going to be any more willing to give you all those updates and rule changes you want.

This whole "we're customers; we deserve what we ask for!" shtick is pathetic when coupled with the treatment that Unixmad, Stefan, Darlene, et al. get. What's even more pathetic is that you guys actually try and defend actions which can only be described as childish and insulting.

You see, in the real world, with big business and that whole stock market thing, you can be mean and nasty, and still get what you want. This is because, when you don't get what you want, you sell your stock and the company goes broke. Here, most of us (at least, the ones that are complaining) made a one-time payment, and can't pull that trick. So, common sense says that if we want something, we ought to act cordial towards the hand that might give it to us. Unfortunately for those of you that think this game is horribly screwed up, acting cordial might not even be enough.

It's a little thing called manners, that your parents were supposed to teach you. Just because we're all extensions of ASCII characters, does not mean that we don't have to treat each other as if we're face-to-face.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:25 AM
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You see, in the real world, with big business and that whole stock market thing, you can be mean and nasty, and still get what you want. This is because, when you don't get what you want, you sell your stock and the company goes broke. Here, most of us (at least, the ones that are complaining) made a one-time payment, and can't pull that trick. So, common sense says that if we want something, we ought to act cordial towards the hand that might give it to us. Unfortunately for those of you that think this game is horribly screwed up, acting cordial might not even be enough.
Are you suggesting that us paying customers should take our business elsewhere?

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Pretty sure it was Darlene who convinced unixmad to open up the forums for non-Gold.
No.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:27 AM
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Quit comparing it to working for some corporation, we don't work for Unix so your point is moot. The analogy sucks because it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Customers-Manager relations shouldn't be compared to Staff-Manager relations.
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Old 02-08-2009, 02:29 AM
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Are you suggesting that us paying customers should take our business elsewhere?
Even if I was (which I am not), you guys would never do it. Look at all those times it's been threatened to happen...

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Quit comparing it to working for some corporation, we don't work for Unix so your point is moot. The analogy sucks because it's completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Customers-Manager relations shouldn't be compared to Staff-Manager relations.
You're still not understanding to point of an analogy. I could make the same analogy using parents and chores, politics, or deer hunting, it would still mean the same thing: don't bite the hand that feeds, and you might actually get some food.
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Even if I was (which I am not), you guys would never do it. Look at all those times it's been threatened to happen...
Are you suggesting that people do not quit Graal?
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