Graal Advertising

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Zeltino

We should NOT have to develop, advertise, and market Graal ourselves to make it succeed.

They might feel they have succeeded with their game just by making it available for people to play around with an engine.

Originally Posted by Zeltino

Cyberjourners should be doing that. It's their JOB.

No, it's not. Their job is to provide the service and tools, and to ensure it stays functional.

Originally Posted by Zeltino

We are not getting paid to develop.

No, because we PAY to develop. It's a hobby, plain and simple, and no one is forcing you to do it. Cyberjoeurs charge for their server and bandwith, like any other hosting company.

Originally Posted by Zeltino

We are not getting paid to advertise, and we are not getting paid to market Graal.

No, but if you want your server - your hobby - to become successful, you would advertise to see that happen.

[Rufus]

Okay what the hell?

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

They might feel they have succeeded with their game just by making it available for people to play around with an engine.

You're using conflicting terms here. Graal isn't an engine and therefore a game. It is being sold as a game on the website and as far as anyone is concerned, member or not, it is trying to be a game. The engine might be used on Graal, but that is something they use a different title for when referring to it, and a different website for when they're selling it.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

No, it's not. Their job is to provide the service and tools, and to ensure it stays functional.

Incorrect. As it is a game and not an open source project, it is their job to provide in every aspect of their product.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

No, but if you want your server - your hobby - to become successful, you would advertise to see that happen.

There is a difference between developing as a hobby and developing towards a successful server, and there's different reasoning behind both. You make no money from your servers, and every server as a collective is making up this so-called game. Server staff should certainly not be expected to provide advertising as well as game content, that is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by alexandralove

CyberJOUEURS plz ? that's french (cyber is english, but joueurs= plural of joueur = a player so cyberjoueurs = cyberplayers)

Stop being pedantic. The spelling of what he was talking about had little significance to what he was actually trying to say, and you completely ignored it and tried to look smart. Good job, you just looked like an ass.

Originally Posted by alexandralove

Btw, I bet they could make a nice advertising campaign if they had a better website, as said before.

It is becoming increasingly aparent that you guys are not aware of what an advertising campaign is. Sure the website is important as a marketing tool as well as everything else, but what do you think you're advertising?

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Stop being pedantic. The spelling of what he was talking about had little significance to what he was actually trying to say, and you completely ignored it and tried to look smart. Good job, you just looked like an ass.

Just trying to tell people about their mistakes a company name has to be written properly. And no it had no significance since cyberjourners doesn't mean anything in any language, but I'm not trying to insult anyone that way.

What would you do if a company was actually called cyberjourners ? Stuffs need to be said properly.

Originally Posted by Rufus

It is becoming increasingly aparent that you guys are not aware of what an advertising campaign is. Sure the website is important as a marketing tool as well as everything else, but what do you think you're advertising?

Uh, lemme ask you it back.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by alexandralove

Just trying to tell people about their mistakes a company name has to be written properly. And no it had no significance since cyberjourners doesn't mean anything in any language, but I'm not trying to insult anyone that way.

What would you do if a company was actually called cyberjourners ? Stuffs need to be said properly.

LOL why are you even trying?

Originally Posted by alexandralove

Uh, lemme ask you it back.

What? You want me to tell you what I think I'm advertising? Nothing, because I didn't suggest the start of an advertising campaign. What do you think should be advertised in this campaign?

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Rufus

What? You want me to tell you what I think I'm advertising? Nothing, because I didn't suggest the start of an advertising campaign. What do you think should be advertised in this campaign?

I'm not advertising at all, but since that thread is entitled "Graal Advertising" and since we're only talking about ways to advertise graal, I suggest graal should be advertised.

I discovered graal because of advertising on a very poor website that I was just visiting, and that was ages ago. It been the only ads I've seen, back around 2001.

All I can tell (like others) is that now, Graal's website is just ugly, and not related to the game content. I liked the old one way better, just like most people.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by alexandralove

I'm not advertising at all, but since that thread is entitled "Graal Advertising" and since we're only talking about ways to advertise graal, I suggest graal should be advertised.

I discovered graal because of advertising on a very poor website that I was just visiting, and that was ages ago. It been the only ads I've seen, back around 2001.

All I can tell (like others) is that now, Graal's website is just ugly, and not related to the game content. I liked the old one way better, just like most people.

The website is a marketing tool, not a part of an advertising campaign. If people like yourself just said what they thought about the matter (like you just did) instead of confusing your words, then we'd get a better resolve perhaps? Who knows.

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The website is a marketing tool, not a part of an advertising campaign. If people like yourself just said what they thought about the matter (like you just did) instead of confusing your words, then we'd get a better resolve perhaps? Who knows.

Having a great website partly shows how great the game is, I mean it would at least show that people working for that game DO care about the website. Seriously it looks like the website been totally rushed, and showing classic characters is totally annoying. Most people are attracted by very designed characters nowadays.

Pink is totally non graal related.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Rufus

You're using conflicting terms here. Graal isn't an engine and therefore a game. It is being sold as a game on the website and as far as anyone is concerned, member or not, it is trying to be a game. The engine might be used on Graal, but that is something they use a different title for when referring to it, and a different website for when they're selling it.

It is an engine that have several playerworlds, aka games, created. On the website it is not sold as a game, however, their playerworlds are being sold. Playerworlds are hosted by the so-called game.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Incorrect. As it is a game and not an open source project, it is their job to provide in every aspect of their product.

Not every development tool is open source, far from it.

Originally Posted by Rufus

There is a difference between developing as a hobby and developing towards a successful server, and there's different reasoning behind both. You make no money from your servers, and every server as a collective is making up this so-called game. Server staff should certainly not be expected to provide advertising as well as game content, that is just ridiculous.

Doesn't change the fact that you yourself make the choice to pay and develop on of those servers, eventually contributing to making the hosting platform even bigger.