Poorly labeled threads

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Matt

I don't know about you, but i'd hate to click on a forum section and see, "omg help", "dang whats wrong?", "please help!!" ect ect. Your right about it being reflected in poor views and little help but, once they realize they're getting little help, then the complaints and begging arrive. That might be what there trying to prevent altogether. Hrm, i guess that's all up to the mods really.

I hate a lot of things, and most of them aren't protected by the rules. I agree thread titles should be appropriately named, what I don't agree with is the need for rule enforcement over it. What I definitely don't agree with is a need to remind us, like it's some very important issue.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I hate a lot of things, and most of them aren't protected by the rules. I agree thread titles should be appropriately named, what I don't agree with is the need for rule enforcement over it. What I definitely don't agree with is a need to remind us, like it's some very important issue.

Understood, but an infraction? I was positive those were just used as warnings, and expire after a few days, some a few hours. I could be wrong.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Why do you guys care? LOL

Uh, because I am an Admin, and I care about all aspects of the forums, and Graal. The rules were made for a reason. Why do you care? Seriously, there is no reason for this post.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I have moderated forums, I used to visit a lot of forums and I sometimes still do. I have never ever seen people care so much about trivial things such as thread titles, and to give an infraction over one? Yeah okay. People are splitting hairs over anything these days; it's getting pretty tiresome, and it has nothing to do with being a moderator.

To my knowledge, there has not been infractions given for this, but it is quite annoying to have to read the thread to see what it is about, especially in tech support.

Originally Posted by Matt

Understood, but an infraction? I was positive those were just used as warnings, and expire after a few days, some a few hours. I could be wrong.

Infractions can be warnings or points. You can read about it in the rules forum.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Uh, because I am an Admin, and I care about all aspects of the forums, and Graal.

"I have moderated forums, I used to visit a lot of forums and I sometimes still do. I have never ever seen people care so much about trivial things such as thread titles[...]" has already been said, and I stand by it. You can show concern for the forums and you can show concern for the game, a lot of people do and most of the time it isn't appreciated. However, yourself and Sam obsess more and more over trivial things because you seemingly have nothing real to focus on here. We hardly have an active community, and it's not exactly 'together' so why focus on forced formality rather than promotion of a community?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The rules were made for a reason. Why do you care? Seriously, there is no reason for this post.

To be fair, there was no real need for the opening post either as it's not exactly a huge problem. What I'd like to know however --now that you've mentioned it-- is what the was reasoning behind making the forum rules, from your own opinion?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

To my knowledge, there has not been infractions given for this, but it is quite annoying to have to read the thread to see what it is about, especially in tech support.

I agree it can be quite annoying, but so is attempting to force regulation on everyone. The majority of these threads are made by new members of the forums who learn over time. This has never been an issue in the past, people just learn how to post on a forum over time.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

What I'd like to know however --now that you've mentioned it-- is what the was reasoning behind making the forum rules, from your own opinion?

Without rules comes chaos, and people saying "I didnt know it was against the rules!"
At any rate, this is not what this thread is about, and the rules are not going to be discussed as unixmad has stated in the forum rules.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

What I definitely don't agree with is a need to remind us, like it's some very important issue.

I changed a lot of titles last time. So it was important to remind you.
Btw: I never talk about infractions for this.

[Rufus]

Conduct is something that people are very aware of. Rules are provided as a means of highlighting what is seen as 'proper' conduct, and informing users what is seen as misconduct. It is pretty much a given in what is expected of your conduct in a forum setting, especially one that is 'official' and a part of an online game. There is nothing wrong with new players, young players, and it has been said many times that the forum rules are provided to establish a forum which welcomes all players. The truth of the matter is, younger players have no interest what so ever in reading a set of forum rules, and why would they? Their intentions in joining the forum are pretty basic, and all they want is to become a part of the community.

If the forum rules were basic and reasonable, there honestly wouldn't be a need for those new members to read up on them. It's kind of funny though, because some countries' constitutions have more elasticism than the rules here. Above all, you should understand that everything should come in moderation, including moderation and half of the rules are pretty excessive. This one rule that you felt needed highlighting isn't even a rule, it's a guideline that is promoted on most forums, but rather than being condescendingly pushed onto members, it's unspoken and a given.

I don't think I've seen either of you post a 'positive' thread in a long time, and that negativity is reflected on the forum as a whole. My main point was that the highlighting of a trivial and seemingly uncommon issue is unnecessary, and as a forum user I'd like to see you both ease up on the newer members' actions as they learn over time, by themselves. Pushing the wrongdoings in their faces of these said members only serves as a means of pushing them out of the community they're trying to enter, and that's something that I hate to see, and something that happens all to often. I have some terrible threads as a new player, but I wasn't moderated and I integrated into the community just fine after a while, so I know these members posting these "bad" threads will eventually do so as well

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Conduct is something that people are very aware of. Rules are provided as a means of highlighting what is seen as 'proper' conduct, and informing users what is seen as misconduct. It is pretty much a given in what is expected of your conduct in a forum setting, especially one that is 'official' and a part of an online game. There is nothing wrong with new players, young players, and it has been said many times that the forum rules are provided to establish a forum which welcomes all players. The truth of the matter is, younger players have no interest what so ever in reading a set of forum rules, and why would they? Their intentions in joining the forum are pretty basic, and all they want is to become a part of the community.

If the forum rules were basic and reasonable, there honestly wouldn't be a need for those new members to read up on them. It's kind of funny though, because some countries' constitutions have more elasticism than the rules here. Above all, you should understand that everything should come in moderation, including moderation and half of the rules are pretty excessive. This one rule that you felt needed highlighting isn't even a rule, it's a guideline that is promoted on most forums, but rather than being condescendingly pushed onto members, it's unspoken and a given.

I don't think I've seen either of you post a 'positive' thread in a long time, and that negativity is reflected on the forum as a whole. My main point was that the highlighting of a trivial and seemingly uncommon issue is unnecessary, and as a forum user I'd like to see you both ease up on the newer members' actions as they learn over time, by themselves. Pushing the wrongdoings in their faces of these said members only serves as a means of pushing them out of the community they're trying to enter, and that's something that I hate to see, and something that happens all to often. I have some terrible threads as a new player, but I wasn't moderated and I integrated into the community just fine after a while, so I know these members posting these "bad" threads will eventually do so as well

I dont know what your beef is, but this thread is merely a reminder for something Sam has seen a lot lately. No one is in trouble, nor has anyone gotten in trouble. This thread was NOT made for you to argue the rules. If you want to do that, contact unixmad.
I really dont care how other forums are run, or what their rules are. Unixmad made rules for this forum that he wanted, and that's that, so drop it.

Closing because I am NOT arguing the rules.
This thread is just a reminder to members.