Server Reset/Becoming Classic. (Addresses many problem's)

[Spiker0]

Due to the years of unbalanced game play, corruption, and the amount of USDers, It is time for change. In fact a server wide reset is more like it.

I propose this reset for a number of things:

1. Everyone will start over, therefor everyone has an equal opportunity to acquire items of value.

2. It will eliminate most USDers (Until people become rich once again)

3. Would allow new systems to be implemented without anyone having an advantage or disadvantage.

I say, there need's to be an Event System. Having player's working as Event Team Member's isnt working, and have never worked for year's in the past. Code a system to do Raffle, to do Labyrinth, to do over event's. The system not only would be more effective on giving out item's, it would be random, and it would be more accurate.

Hell, it would even be better to make GK a Classic Server, here is why.
Making the server a Classic Server would fix the Economy's problem. Most oldbies quit due to not wanting to pay the Gold Subscription.
So take away the Gold Subscription for GK, and you have TONS of players with Classic Accounts. This will support the return of players who don't want to pay to play. This, in turn, bring more items back, and more items into circulation drives down the cost of other, rarer, items. Economy fixed.
(Credit to Zeltino)

Another thing. These people that hoard item's. They dont help the Economy, and in turn, turn players away to wanting to play. Why can't we just have a system that actually work's and lets people get good items? Is it a crime? Will it hurt the server? Of course not. There are sword's, armor, item's that you can make that have speed cap's making you go 1.500. Who want's that? We want item's that are good, easy to make and other more powerful item's take a long time to make. Say a time limit on when to make them, or a very large amount of items to make.

If anybody would like to add there input, please do not flame or burn. This is a type of petition. Everybody see's it, why can't the staff member's?

[shrimps]

Waits for thread to get deleted......

[Zeltino]

Resetting the GK server is a horrible idea. Playercount would drop immensely due to players who have worked for YEARS to get their items gone. I, for one, would not work for my items once again. I've worked extremely hard to receive the items I have.

Making GK a Classic Server would probably be the best option...

Whoa you stole what I said to you Via PM. Credit please!

[Spiker0]

There is no reason this thread should get deleted. There are good points in this, and there are no threat's or anything but good idea's. If this gets deleted, then I know Tig just hate's me. I am bringing up point's not everybody see's, including alot of staff.

[woofer102000]

You are argueing two sides there, pick one, First off you say you want it reset, then put to classic so old player will come back with their items, if you reset it, the player won't come back, as they will have to start again.

[Supaman771]

The phrase "Never happening..." comes to mind.

[shrimps]

I would quit GK as soon as there was a reset. If anything it should be cheaper not more expensive. I mean each month Galets cost a dollar more due to Euro-USD transfer rate.

[Spiker0]

Everybody thinks it will never happen because it hasn't. There is new management, and we need to work with it.

[BigBear3]

I voted yes.

[CharlieM]

I don't see this I see that its going fine, all new graal accounts have to pay for classic so they can still get on gold oldbies most of them aren't even playing anymore

[Zeltino]

Staff see's this problem and is actively trying to fix it. It's not as easy as everyone makes it out to be. You can't just fix an economy in a day.

Reseting would make too many players quit. This would leave you with only the new, inexperienced players. No oldbies.

If you were to move the server to Classic, you'd have a large influx of new members as well as oldbies returning (due to not having to waste their WoW Money for a Graal Gold Subscription).

In reference to CharlieM's Post:
Most Oldbies are not playing due to not wanting to pay for Gold Subscription. By making the server a Classic Server, you would promote and support Oldbies to return. Most oldbies left the game without passing on their items. When I quit, I did this too - I brought my items down with me. I'm back though, and what do I bring to the table? All of the items - rare and not - that I have. This brings all of the missing items BACK into the economy. Going Classic also brings the opportunity for the server to have many MANY new players. Kingdoms would grow back to their previous states, and GK would probably flourish quite well.

In the current Pay system, Members who purchase Classic Memberships receive only a Trial account on Graal Kingdoms. This means, that they must go into observation mode every hour or so. They also can not join Kingdoms, participate in Events, or sail on ships. If you can not sail on ships, you can not go to Kingdom islands. When Graal Kingdoms was flourishing many years ago (More than 30 people max.), I spent most of my time on Crescent Pirate Island, due to there being so much to do with so many players on.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Spiker0

Due to the years of unbalanced game play, corruption, and the amount of USDers, It is time for change. In fact a server wide reset is more like it.

I propose this reset for a number of things:

1. Everyone will start over, therefor everyone has an equal opportunity to acquire items of value.

2. It will eliminate most USDers (Until people become rich once again)

3. Would allow new systems to be implemented without anyone having an advantage or disadvantage.

I say, there need's to be an Event System. Having player's working as Event Team Member's isnt working, and have never worked for year's in the past. Code a system to do Raffle, to do Labyrinth, to do over event's. The system not only would be more effective on giving out item's, it would be random, and it would be more accurate.

Hell, it would even be better to make GK a Classic Server, here is why.
Making the server a Classic Server would fix the Economy's problem. Most oldbies quit due to not wanting to pay the Gold Subscription.
So take away the Gold Subscription for GK, and you have TONS of players with Classic Accounts. This will support the return of players who don't want to pay to play. This, in turn, bring more items back, and more items into circulation drives down the cost of other, rarer, items. Economy fixed.

Another thing. These people that hoard item's. They dont help the Economy, and in turn, turn players away to wanting to play. Why can't we just have a system that actually work's and lets people get good items? Is it a crime? Will it hurt the server? Of course not. There are sword's, armor, item's that you can make that have speed cap's making you go 1.500. Who want's that? We want item's that are good, easy to make and other more powerful item's take a long time to make. Say a time limit on when to make them, or a very large amount of items to make.

If anybody would like to add there input, please do not flame or burn. This is a type of petition. Everybody see's it, why can't the staff member's?

Before i break it down to you, i'll start with, you fail.

Everyone start over? The labour required to get where some people are in GK is insane, suggesting a start over is ludicrous. I can say this because i've never USD'd and to get where i am now, financially, took ALOT of work. Yea it's selfish to use just me, but i'm sure there are alot of other players/oldbies who have played fair and speant the hours working to get where they are.

The fact that people even USD items on GK shows it's potential and how attractive the server is. All great games/servers are doomed to involve USD, having a crackdown on it is better than using it as a reason for a reset because people will eventually just USD again.

Pointless to suggest a reset to make way for updates... That method fails totally. GK go classic? Yes it could, i agree that alot of people quit/don't play anymore because of the gold subscription, but Graal has to make money... You're suggesting leaving Zone/Games as the only reason for people to upgrade... Will never be implimented for common sense and financial reasons.

Also, the problem with the economy isn't that there are rare items, hard to obtain items are always a great thing to have in an economy. The problem is the sheer amount of items that are unobtainable unless from seasonal events, special events, usd, or trade (which takes ages to get the funds for them). Everyone is in agreement that Many items need to be made obtainable by craft/drop and i'm sure these dreams will be realised in the future with these Quaterly updates.

That whole rant about item hoarding is a cry of you're poor... You want what you can't have. But i, and even the people hoarding, believe that most of those items should be made obtainable, by difficult means for some - keeping them rare.

[Vincent3313]

There shouldn't be a reset. Let USD'ers buy their items it's there money. I just think that there should be new monsters for the high lvls instead of a crypt that came out a few months ago. There should also be a weaker monster then a bomy for noobs to kill or else it's to hard for them to kill it without wisdom or magic. There should be more reasons for quests, the only reason why someone would do a quest is only for a Gold Key. Quests should also give you different items and some amount of experience. Like there can be a quest that gives you personality exp cause my exp is 0 on that. I only know it's used for Charming monsters. And it's somewhat unfair for the lvl 110's on events. Like in spars barely any EMs separate lvls in spars. You should be able to get rings from monsters is another 1. I'm not going to explain all the details but there is a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on right there. Don't reset...

[Spiker0]

Ok, lets try this, check other "Classic GK?" Thread

[cyan3]

Threads exactly the same as this one are created once every year and the answer is still No.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

I voted yes.

<3 still

Anyways... Resetting will lead to the exact same economy happening the exact same way under a diffrent manager...

Except this time players won't be like "OMG a new server lets go play!" they will be like "That server bored me the first time and now theres noone to help me why waste my time again..."

Players will become bored again if they even play and quit, = Rare items
Players will USD to become rich again, = Same uber rich players
and the other 90% won't even bother = GK dies slower than it is = Poor Stefan = No more Graal >:O

Every player has worked for their items fairly... you can basicly tell how rich players are by their hours which will be 2000+ hours wasted for half the population.

Graal is slowly dying and this time there won't be enough players for GK to stand. There will be max 5 players at peak hours.

This discussion is a waste of time knowing that option doesn't exist.

[Vincent3313]

Will always be no.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Spiker0

Everybody thinks it will never happen because it hasn't. There is new management, and we need to work with it.

I can gamble on Tig not liking the idea of a reset one bit.
It's a ludicrous suggestion. I believe servers that reset admit utter failure. What GK needs is to bridge the gap between rich and poor. For noobs to make that transaction... It took me literally a year+. Only because i'm 1337 Did i climb out of that ditch called 'Doomed2BPoor' and i'm still not happy, because the items i now need are literally unobtainable unless i do the dirty .

Originally Posted by Vincent3313

There shouldn't be a reset. Let USD'ers buy their items it's there money. I just think that there should be new monsters for the high lvls instead of a crypt that came out a few months ago. There should also be a weaker monster then a bomy for noobs to kill or else it's to hard for them to kill it without wisdom or magic. Also should be more reasons for quests. The only reason why someone would do a quest is only for a Gold Key. Quests should also give you different items and some amount of experience. Like there can be a quest that gives you personality exp cause my exp is 0 on that. I only know it's used for Charming monsters. And it's somewhat unfair for the lvl 110's on events. Like in spars barely any EMs separate lvls in spars. Should be able to get rings from certain monsters also. I'm not going to explain all the details but there is a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on right there. Don't reset...

Yes, i feel pretty bad against those who USD, but as long as a server is seen as great, ocfourse there will be people who want to jump from poor-rich quickly, and if they can afford to pay USD for it, let them. It doesn't hurt anyone.

Originally Posted by Supaman771

<3 still

Anyways... Resetting will lead to the exact same economy happening the exact same way under a diffrent manager...

Except this time players won't be like "OMG a new server lets go play!" they will be like "That server bored me the first time and now theres noone to help me why waste my time again..."

Players will become bored again if they even play and quit, = Rare items
Players will USD to become rich again, = Same uber rich players
and the other 90% won't even bother = GK dies slower than it is = Poor Stefan = No more Graal >:O

Every player has worked for their items fairly... you can basicly tell how rich players are by their hours which will be 2000+ hours wasted for half the population.

Graal is slowly dying and this time there won't be enough players for GK to stand. There will be max 5 players at peak hours.

This discussion is a waste of time knowing that option doesn't exist.

Graal just needs to change it's image, and after alot of updates and work, make GK the main server of Graal, and advertise it as such. With Zone as another attraction ofcourse. Mainly because MMORPG's are extremely popular, and so are 'Shoot-em-ups' Zone is a very new experience for most gamers.
One problem i see is the main site... I mean wtf, as soon as i saw it i thought Stefan thinks i'm 12.


By the way, don't know why you're suggesting a reset, when GK looks to be set of a good road for the future. New management and the current developments occuring such as, The Quaterly updates (Yes i'm mentioning them again). I believe GK will heal, and finally fix-up, then, we have more than a server.

[shrimps]

Not to mention the site is complicated as hell to figure out at first. People like simple, or at least not something that takes an hour to figure out.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by shrimps

Not to mention the sight is complicated as hell to figure out at first. People like simple, or at least not something that takes an hour to figure out.

Arrgh i was Baffled when i saw it for the first time
The old site attracted me, if it was like how it is now, back then, i would have though "Ugh, another game aimed at tods".

[shrimps]

When I saw the new site, I thought Kiddy game....=/

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by shrimps

When I saw the new site, I thought Kiddy game....=/

I hate the new site so I just use the Kingdoms version but I wish I could still use the normal version of the site.

[shrimps]

Yeah, I use www.graalonline.com/kingdoms.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by shrimps

Yeah, I use www.graalonline.com/kingdoms.

I find the Kingdoms version is the only one that works because the others have layout errors and such.

[shrimps]

It's sort of just the same as it was before, other than the green background and green font, which is annoying most of the time.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by shrimps

It's sort of just the same as it was before, other than the green background and green font, which is annoying most of the time.

And the video on the main page that automatically plays which is very annoying.

[Vincent3313]

Hate that video... Why is that even there they should just put a screen shot...

[shrimps]

Yes, It's very annoying and loud. Screen shots would be much better in my opinion.

[Vulgar]

The only people who agree with this are either poor people or people who fail. Although there should be easier ways to level seeing as half the current players with high phys/magic/wis abused the party glitch and other bugs. So players that start out after these bugs are fixed have it a lot harder off because people like Fro who abused bugs to their full potential to get 107 phys and wis and then the bug was fixed so none of the newer players have a chance to ever get that while people who abused it get to keep it. I'm not saying these people should loose their levels but there should be an easier way to level besides grinding on lords forever or spending an hour killing one boss that gives fail exp at higher levels.

[shrimps]

Now that crypt is here, it's VERY easy to get around level 40. I spend most of my EXP in Immense maps though.

[kia345]

GK doesn't need a reset because Gk doesn't have any goals to reach that a reset would help with. Leveling up? It's fairly easy to get 30 physical and enough spells to hold your own in pk. Armor? PMoPs and FHoMs are easily accessible. Pk weapons? How hard is it to pull up an ID or FID? Everything on Gk that is 'hard' or 'impossible' to get, from high levels to rare, exclusive items, is nothing more than an unnecessary novelty. It's easy to get what you need on Gk, the only reason for a reset would be so you can attempt at getting what you want.

Gk's "perfect" as it is, and with Tig, there's hope for new releases so newer people can get exclusive items too. As for leveling, like I said, you really don't need to be 110 with 30/30/30 to be able to pk.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by kia345

GK doesn't need a reset because Gk doesn't have any goals to reach that a reset would help with. Leveling up? It's fairly easy to get 30 physical and enough spells to hold your own in pk. Armor? PMoPs and FHoMs are easily accessible. Pk weapons? How hard is it to pull up an ID or FID? Everything on Gk that is 'hard' or 'impossible' to get, from high levels to rare, exclusive items, is nothing more than an unnecessary novelty. It's easy to get what you need on Gk, the only reason for a reset would be so you can attempt at getting what you want.

Gk's "perfect" as it is, and with Tig, there's hope for new releases so newer people can get exclusive items too. As for leveling, like I said, you really don't need to be 110 with 30/30/30 to be able to pk.

We agree for once. Also it seems like this topic is beating a dead horse (to use a phrase lol.).

This has been suggested tons of times and shot down each time.

[Vulgar]

Originally Posted by kia345

GK doesn't need a reset because Gk doesn't have any goals to reach that a reset would help with. Leveling up? It's fairly easy to get 30 physical and enough spells to hold your own in pk. Armor? PMoPs and FHoMs are easily accessible. Pk weapons? How hard is it to pull up an ID or FID? Everything on Gk that is 'hard' or 'impossible' to get, from high levels to rare, exclusive items, is nothing more than an unnecessary novelty. It's easy to get what you need on Gk, the only reason for a reset would be so you can attempt at getting what you want.

Gk's "perfect" as it is, and with Tig, there's hope for new releases so newer people can get exclusive items too. As for leveling, like I said, you really don't need to be 110 with 30/30/30 to be able to pk.

So who exactly can break people with 30 phys, I could hardly break anyone when I had 35 phys and 30 30 29. You have no clue what you are talking about apparently. You get big damage, health and speed bonuses from having 30 30 30. If you think you stand a chance against the other people in bmode with 30 phys I'd I have to laugh in your face for you even thinking that you can break them.

"Everything on Gk that is 'hard' or 'impossible' to get, from high levels to rare, exclusive items, is nothing more than an unnecessary novelty" plztellmehow2getdecentstatswithfailgearthx

I think everyone should be able to get to like 45-50 phys some what easily, besides the fact that it's hard to start out on kingdoms without cross server trading or usding the new players give up because how long it takes to level. I'm sure if there was faster ways to level more players would come play and if there was more gear with decent stats that were able to be made through alchemy or crafted that didn't rely on event coins to make that half the players that play zodiac and other servers would eventually migrate to kingdoms and the ones who left would come back.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Vulgar

So who exactly can break people with 30 phys, I could hardly break anyone when I had 35 phys and 30 30 29.

The problem here is not "EVERYONE NEEDS 30/30/30", but rather "EVERYONE WHO HAS THE BALLS TO PK IS 30/30/30".

Maybe if the only 6 people who tried to pk weren't 30/30/30, and some diversity got into the mix, there would be more people willing to pk.

[Vulgar]

Can you pk with 30 phys without 30 30 30? or even like 40? I doubt it.

[Obs311]

Look at how many hours I dumped into this game. If they reset GK, then I quit.

I am NOT going through that all over again, it took WAY too long, unless they make it a little simpler to level.

Look at Era, they have reset at least 5 times from what I remember, and it still doesn't seem like much has changed from doing so.

And yes, you can PK without 30 30 30, you just need tactics. You don't just run and and slash at people.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Obs311

Look at Era, they have reset at least 5 times from what I remember, and it still doesn't seem like much has changed from doing so.

They keep resetting because they're trying to have a realistic BUT FAIRLOL economy.

Originally Posted by Vulgar

Can you pk with 30 phys without 30 30 30? or even like 40? I doubt it.

That's because the only people pk'ing are the ones who are pretty much max'd out. If more people pk'd, this problem wouldn't exist.

Auto-enable bmode at level 50 or something. It won't be "OGOD HELP I KEEP DYING" because everyone will be pk'ing, there's always going to be someone weaker.

[Vincent3313]

It's called alchemy. I started with nothing and within a month or 2 I got Green Cloak, PMoP +12, Marks +12, Lucky Boots+ 12, Mith +12... All of these are easy accessible with some GKs and some EAs. Except for Luckys, you craft them, even easier. GC buy it for a very low amount of dias. All of these and I get 25 str with it maxed. The only reason why you can't break people is because of low WC not str or damage. Get Marks +12 and a decent phys lvl, around 40 is good. You should have enough WC to break a lvl 110. In spars though there is no break so there isn't any excuse there. The only thing base lvl does for you is HP. (It's call IMP POTS!)

[Vulgar]

Normal players who don't usd or cross server trade cannot get 30 30 30, but the whole point to my original post was saying leveling should be easier but there should also be alchable good items to help achive 30 30 30 through in game work and not usd or 30 30 30.

[Vincent3313]

PMoP ... I think there's enough good items you can make with alchemy. Honestly the only thing is lvling for certain lvls. Lords give me like 7k. Crypts are good for everyone but you usually need someone who has a semi good wis like 30 or so.