Low playercount

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Crono

Just depends on what time it is.

This is true. There are certain people that create roleplaying on Valikorlia, and those people get on at certain times. Generally, if there's a player count below 20-25, there's little to moderate roleplaying. When it's at 50+, then there's a good chance that there's an event (or multiple events) going on, thus a lot of roleplaying. It also depends on what day of the week it is.

Also, as a response to people saying that the administration should just do what they think is good for the server: it's really not that simple. Valikorlia is by far the most unique server on Graal. Nobody really knows what's "best", and agreeing on what's "acceptable" is a feat in itself. We have daily debates on what should and shouldn't be going on with the server, from small things like what races should be available, to large things like how the battle system would work. We can't just stop these cold-turkey, and expect the players to follow suit. They'll retaliate, just like they've done with every administration that's done that.

Like I said, Valikorlia is unique. And, like Crono said, you don't know Valikorlia. Players have earned their part of the blame. It is, after all, a player-run, player-generated server.

[farte6]

Yes it is, I just realized i had it installed on my computer O_O. Proceeded to login and realized that most of these server have lost their playerbase. Then proceeded in looking at the servers and it seems that Era is the only one with the slightest glimpse of quality out of all the servers.

I was never into Era to much anyways after the first time the server was restarted.

[thesmoothcriminal]

graal is dead

[brock128]

Graal isn't dying. "Dying" is present tense.

It has died.

[grim_squeaker_x]

Yeah. It's not as it was a couple of years ago, sadly. :/

[Crono]

Originally Posted by grim_squeaker_x

Yeah. It's not as it was a couple of years ago, sadly. :/

A couple of years ago was not much better unless you played Era (Era from spring 2006 was quite nice in my opinion).

[grim_squeaker_x]

As in a couple of years I meant pre-2004

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by grim_squeaker_x

As in a couple of years I meant pre-2004

*points* ZOOOMBIE!!!!!! wasn't you part of the graal new world team?

[grim_squeaker_x]

Originally Posted by Galdor

*points* ZOOOMBIE!!!!!! wasn't you part of the graal new world team?

Boo!

Go figure. :P

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by grim_squeaker_x

Boo!

Go figure. :P

I refuse.

[Unkownsoldier]

Subject Change:

What is happening to Graal3D are the globals working on that or is it dead.

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Subject Change:

What is happening to Graal3D are the globals working on that or is it dead.

It's dead, I worked on it alone for a while trying to spice up the visuals but it was hard without a programmer to help me so eventually I got bored of trying and gave up.

[DarkReaper0]

Originally Posted by Galdor

It's dead, I worked on it alone for a while trying to spice up the visuals but it was hard without a programmer to help me so eventually I got bored of trying and gave up.

You mean unpaid programmers isn't working out?

*Shock*

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Galdor

It's dead, I worked on it alone for a while trying to spice up the visuals but it was hard without a programmer to help me so eventually I got bored of trying and gave up.

Bump Sefan to death eeh...

[Galdor]

oh I thought they payed stefan, owell.

[DarkReaper0]

You mean Stefan can't do it alone completely?

*Shock*

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

You mean Stefan can't do it alone completely?

*Shock*

*strangles darkreaper* why you little!?!!!

[thesmoothcriminal]

Does anyone ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY know what is hapeening with the future of graal other then the iphone. does stefan/unixmad talk about it at all?

[Kamaeru]

In my opinion it died some odd years ago. Around the time when Graal2002 turned into Graal Kingdoms, maybe a year and a half later Graal definitely died.

I mean, ****, you can talk all you want, but I was there when it happened and so were a whole lot of people.

You might ask, if Graal is dead, then how is it still here?

...

It's called a carcass, you jackass. You shouldn't play with carcasses.

[xXziroXx]

Graal is as dead as we make it. If no one bothers making any quality gameplay that players actually will find interesting, then yes, Graal is dead - however this is not the case, I know several servers that will change that in a not too distant future.

[Yocas]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Graal is as dead as we make it. If no one bothers making any quality gameplay that players actually will find interesting, then yes, Graal is dead - however this is not the case, I know several servers that will change that in a not too distant future.

Hurry up and finish Maloria then dammit.

[grim_squeaker_x]

Don't be so sure, xXziroXx.

[DuBsTeRmAn]

Jesus christ.. i just made a thread to get some opinions and now it already has 14 pages? OMG :O

[grim_squeaker_x]

11 pages... Might be 14 in some days though. ;P

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by grim_squeaker_x

11 pages... Might be 14 in some days though. ;P

wow. your so wrong, its 14 pages, click last>>!

[grim_squeaker_x]

Originally Posted by Deas_Voice

wow. your so wrong, its 14 pages, click last>>!

It says "Page 11 of 11" in the bottom of my page. Duh.

EDIT:
Might depend on how many posts per page your account is set to though.

I have like 20 posts per page.

[Vima]

14 pages, what have we talked about? Valikoria 10 pages.
Nothing have been done tho.
Everyone will just keep working on their own projects, while there are a few servers out there who is almost complete, but needs help.
If Stefan and his team doesn't do anything, then WE, Players NEED to do something.

If maybe YOU change the "Evil Circle" Then OTHER people might do it.

[DKH89]

I wouldnt say its dieing but the player count does seem very low.

Some people are saying it's because of school but I remember this time last year there were still over 90 on era alone and now its lucky to even get past 70.

But i dont know if id use the word dying

[DarkReaper0]

School is not a valid reason for this decline.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

School is not a valid reason for this decline.

Why not? I know that I'm developing and playing less because of school. I know that every year, people on Valikorlia leave for college and barely come on. Maybe you're either a burnout that doesn't care about school, or so smart that you don't have to apply yourself... but I know that my AP classes won't pass themselves.

[DKH89]

It's more like people are gettin less interested because of the economy

[kia345]

Why is it that the only people really pushing the "GRAAL IS DEAD" crusade are the ones nobody really likes?

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by kia345

Why is it that the only people really pushing the "GRAAL IS DEAD" crusade are the ones nobody really likes?

Because the "body" you refer to, consisting of people who refuse to believe Graal needs to improve a whole lot more to reach a basic level of acceptable quality dislike the idea of admitting they're either wasting countless hours of their daily lives or that the work they're doing is for the purpose of saving a game rather than only improving it.

It is also worth noting that this "body" likely consists of no larger of a population than the people they are against as well as the 3rd party you fail to mention, which is worth praising the most; those who know Graal "needs saving" and work daily to do so. There are also members of your own "body" who, while refusing to believe the need to save the game, are doing great things to help the cause while they may simply think they're improving an already great game.

As for me... I just like to challenge my mind by tearing apart any fallacies I find in arguments of this forums. Not an easy task when people "win" arguments or end discussions with the least intelligent or reasonable reasons. Oh, and I like to think there will be something that interests me within gameplay... someday.

I'm also willing to accept that maybe I just "grew out" of Graal. But that would lead to a very simple question... "Is Graal fun for young adults and older teens?" (the people who can dish out money to support this game, more easily than the younger kids can)

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

Because the "body" you refer to, consisting of people who refuse to believe Graal needs to improve a whole lot more to reach a basic level of acceptable quality dislike the idea of admitting they're either wasting countless hours of their daily lives or that the work they're doing is for the purpose of saving a game rather than only improving it.

It is also worth noting that this "body" likely consists of no larger of a population than the people they are against as well as the 3rd party you fail to mention, which is worth praising the most; those who know Graal "needs saving" and work daily to do so. There are also members of your own "body" who, while refusing to believe the need to save the game, are doing great things to help the cause while they may simply think they're improving an already great game.

As for me... I just like to challenge my mind by tearing apart any fallacies I find in arguments of this forums. Not an easy task when people "win" arguments or end discussions with the least intelligent or reasonable reasons. Oh, and I like to think there will be something that interests me within gameplay... someday.

I'm also willing to accept that maybe I just "grew out" of Graal. But that would lead to a very simple question... "Is Graal fun for young adults and older teens?" (the people who can dish out money to support this game, more easily than the younger kids can)

God I love you

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by kia345

God I love you

<3

Originally Posted by grim_squeaker_x

uh?

This is obviously spam. So why does Sam ignore this stuff, but delete other posters' posts simply for not agreeing with him?

Originally Posted by Codein

I agree with xXZiroXx on this one. We should be trying to complete our projects rather than moaning.

I think we can all agree on this one. Except I don't develop, so I'd hate to tell you all to do your damn work instead of complaining.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Graal the Adventure definitely was, but so were servers like Rudora (although the majority would disagree with me) and Maloria. When Maloria went off, Graal personally died for me, but I'm still here trying to revive it, and I'll be damned to learn Resurrection Rank 6 just to be able to do it sooner or later.

I think the numbers accurately represent opinions. I was never into your server much, sorry, but wasn't the playercount usually lower than servers like N-Pulse (before UN came in and stole the show), or UN (after it stole the show from NP), and Graal the Adventure before... well, I don't really know what caused that server to lose players, but let's just say... before that happened. Anyways, the dominant servers likely succeed because they have something to suck you into the gameplay early enough and keep you there. Sounds simple enough, right? Well, sometimes this doesn't happen. Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper to find awesomeness. So maybe that's why some servers keep a stable playercount, but don't reach the big numbers like the other ones. I'm guessing yours was one of those... ?

This is also to answer PoJo's question; yes, they were that great, at least the big names. The smaller names... maybe just depends on your preference.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

I think the numbers accurately represent opinions. I was never into your server much, sorry, but wasn't the playercount usually lower than servers like N-Pulse (before UN came in and stole the show), or UN (after it stole the show from NP), and Graal the Adventure before... well, I don't really know what caused that server to lose players, but let's just say... before that happened. Anyways, the dominant servers likely succeed because they have something to suck you into the gameplay early enough and keep you there. Sounds simple enough, right? Well, sometimes this doesn't happen. Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper to find awesomeness. So maybe that's why some servers keep a stable playercount, but don't reach the big numbers like the other ones. I'm guessing yours was one of those... ?

Maloria v2 (2004-2005) was always at the top 3, fighting with UN and Era about the playercount, until we ruined the server by competing about who could release the best updates. I can't say about v1, because I wasn't into Maloria at the time.

[grim_squeaker_x]

Originally Posted by kia345

Why is it that the only people really pushing the "GRAAL IS DEAD" crusade are the ones nobody really likes?

uh?

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by kia345

Why is it that the only people really pushing the "GRAAL IS DEAD" crusade are the ones nobody really likes?

because its dead to them

[Kamaeru]

Listen, Graal died to me when Graal2001 died.

Consider the fact that we don't have Graal The Adventure, Graal2001, or any of the servers that used to be so great. Instead of them existing, they don't exist. They're not just going to pop up out of anywhere, either. We did a lot of work reviving Graal2001 multiple times. It's not going to just happen.

Graal is a case where I have extremely perplexing memories from the years ranging from 2000-2006. And by that I mean, in those wonderful years I had on Graal, I was constantly asking myself a question, "When is Graal going to die?", and this was a really crucial question for me!

Like, really, Graal is a real enigma. I've never experienced anything like it in my life. It struck me so fantastically that it definitely hypnotized me in those years. So a question of when will it end was a real brain buster.

Then one day Graal2001 basically died in my arms. I mean that in a literal sense. I spent as many days on that server as the only player as anyone possibly could have, that's for sure. Then we would get a revival going, and after so much time wishing I could see the map filled with little heads, it would happen! 300+ players on a dead server for a month straight.

And then it dies just as fast as it came back. This is the real fate of Graal.

[kia345]

Were they really that great, or are you just drunk with nostalgia?