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[Yocas]

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

Like graals gameplay is such a superior alternative to those grinding mmo's....

I know right ...

[kia345]

Trolls who can't troll itt

[Darklux]

This free or not free debate is certainly no good way of approaching graals problems, as it's not free anymore since 2001 (and sometimes still had a quite good user count within the last years).

[thesmoothcriminal]

really no debate is worthwhile, stefan/Unixmad dont bother reading\responding to them

[Vima]

but I don't get some people who say:
"We all developers should work on the same server, instead of working alone."

AEON is probably the only UC server that's close of submitting a classic inspection ticket.
It will most likely be approved and get to classic tab.
But yet, after the hirings thread. We have gotten no more staff. We have a timetable that we'll finish everything and submit a ticket in the beginning(jan-feb) of next year.
But to be able to do that, or even do it faster. We need staff!

I'm just so god damn tired of the people who complain that no one works together, that everyone is working on their own projects, when they are as much stubborn as them.
Look around you, it's not only AEON who needs help.
There are a few other servers out there who is close of getting completed.

[Crono]

One of the biggest reasons why development is not the same as it used to be post-"BUYUROWNSERVER" is just that, the fact that people can buy their own servers. This spreads out all developmental workforce and has had a negative effect on our community. Think about it, back then people wanted to develop on their home servers. Now what happens? People go off, start their own fail-projects and get their friends in on it.

Instead of improving their development on their home servers and contributing to them, they instead break off and do their own little thing. You may think that its only a few people that are like this, but you'd be surprised.

Can't get hired on your home server? No problem, start your own rip off!

[Yocas]

That and people think their ideas are better than anyone elses.

"k guyz we gon make a modurn age servir wit gangz n gunz kk?"
"isn't Era already on top of that?"
"no we gon make it bett3r."

Seriously, have you seen some of these developing servers? Some of these servers make Classic look like Graal Kingdoms. Majority of these servers have NO creativitiy or imagination. Why is it that almost 80 percent of the servers end in "ia"? Vesporia, Stupia, Retardia, Thisisgettingrepetitivia. It's ridiculous how they have random 14 year old kids running entire servers, which is bound to fail within a week, and having them waste more space on the RC server list. But hey, what ever gets money in Graal 's pockets, AMIRITE?

Also, quick question. When signing up to create a server, what are the requirements? Do they have to send in a list of people who are going to work on the server? Do they have to send in an essay for the description of their server? Or do they just send in the money and they automatically get it?

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Yocas

Or do they just send in the money and they automatically get it?

This.
And I've thought this seems like a flawed system (aside from generating money easily), but just can't put my finger on "why".

[Nataxo]

Originally Posted by Yocas

. Why is it that almost 80 percent of the servers end in "ia"? Vesporia, Stupia, Retardia, Thisisgettingrepetitivia.

LOL!!!!! irl xD

Originally Posted by Inverness

Aeon could have gone classic years ago if they hadn't decided to try to make 4 playerworlds at once.

yaahhhh, the other day i visisted AEON and it was amazing, the only thing it needs is PLAYERS.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Yocas

Majority of these servers have NO creativitiy or imagination. Why is it that almost 80 percent of the servers end in "ia"? Vesporia, Stupia, Retardia, Thisisgettingrepetitivia.

Russia, Persia, Liberia, Latvia, India, Australia, Austria, Nigeria, Lucia, Tunisia...WOW THEY'RE SO UNORIGINAL

And what does naming really have to do with creativity? All the -ia severs that come to my mind are unique.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by kia345

Russia, Persia, Liberia, Latvia, India, Australia, Austria, Nigeria, Lucia, Tunisia...WOW THEY'RE SO UNORIGINAL

Many nations throughout history are also known to have been against any people not of their own kind, or specifically targeting certain groups of people.
Think of all the wars and acts of genocide.

But if you think Graal creativity has to be restricted to the way of the political world... then by all means, wage war against RPGWO. Conquer them for rights to their IP. And get Zero to finish that clone he was working on.

Originally Posted by GarethOmni

Graal is dying for the same reason that your local pre-school doesn't teach algebra.

Haha. You mean the same way pre-school kids can't begin to comprehend an advanced subject (apparently not due to lack of intelligence, but rather because they lack all the other basic knowledge required), Graal players are unable to afford paying for Graal because they're too young to have $50 (or whatever Graal costs now) AND a way to pay (credit card). I guess Googi's p2p-for-kids guide wasn't good enough to draw in enough people. I know I woulda made use of it back in 2001 had it existed.

[Yocas]

Originally Posted by kia345

Russia, Persia, Liberia, Latvia, India, Australia, Austria, Nigeria, Lucia, Tunisia...WOW THEY'RE SO UNORIGINAL

And what does naming really have to do with creativity? All the -ia severs that come to my mind are unique.

Dude, I'm talking about a video game. Why must you try to relate everything I say to the real world? And yes, the name the game does indeed reflect how unique it will be. Seriously, if you can't get pass making up a name without using "ia" then you really have no imagination. I can give you some proof right now; look on the developing server list and check out any server with the ending "ia". I'm willing to bet majority of them will suck. Not counting Maloria seeing that that's long gone and dead.


i'm pretty sure this guy will look through every server just to try to prove me wrong /sigh

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Yocas

Dude, I'm talking about a video game. Why must you try to relate everything I say to the real world? And yes, the name the game does indeed reflect how unique it will be. Seriously, if you can't get pass making up a name without using "ia" then you really have no imagination. I can give you some proof right now; look on the developing server list and check out any server with the ending "ia". I'm willing to bet majority of them will suck. Not counting Maloria seeing that that's long gone and dead.

What's wrong with names ending in "ia"?

The name of "Vesporia" would make a lot more sense if you knew the story behind it, I suppose.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Yocas

i'm pretty sure this guy will look through every server just to try to prove me wrong /sigh

And I'm willing to bet your argument sucks. TONS of real world places end in -ia, why can't several servers?

I think you only pointed it out because "HEY IT'LL MAKE ME LOOK EDGY AND IN THE KNOW BECAUSE I'M COMPLAINING", and now you don't have the common sense to defend it.

They end in -ia because that's a common thing in real life. Mining is on a bunch of servers why? Not because it was on Server A so Server B decided to use it, but because mining is also how we collect ores in real life. Wow, Era has cars? CLEARLY THEY RIPPED IT OFF FROM GK'S KARTS, CLEARLY! No, we have cars in real life. You know what else we have in real life? Places ending in -ia.

I don't need to prove you wrong, I need to prove you're stupid, which you can quite successfully do on your own.

I'm just going to bring up some -ia servers off the top of my head:

Delteria. Wow, here's a shocker. I can't think of any server quite like the older Delt, aside from 'classic', and the dev server I've seen sets it apart from every server I can imagine. Let's see if all the other -ia servers are like this!

Valikorlia. RP server. BUT WAIT SO IS EVERY OTHER -ia SERVER, RIGHT?

Maloria. Kinda like Zodiac only not a blatant rip off. According to you, so is Val and Delt, right?

Vesporia. Isn't this a shooting server? Like all the aforementioned servers?

Crystia. Probably a cute Zodiac rip off, but no one knows.

Wow sir, I didn't even use the serverlist for that.You probably only said that to keep me from pointing out how you were wrong because you realized how stupid you were.

So Blowcus, you tell me, how are they all the same aside from name? Because, you know, name is everything, Russia is just a rip off of Australia.

If anything, I should be ending my post in /sigh, /sigh'ing about how pitiful you are and how I feel the internet getting worse just by considering what was going through your mind while reading your own post.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Yocas

Not counting Maloria seeing that that's long gone and dead.

Since I took over management things have been going very well for us development wise, and we're planning on being back in business in not too long.

http://www.maloria.com/showthread.php?t=8326

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Crono

One of the biggest reasons why development is not the same as it used to be post-"BUYUROWNSERVER" is just that, the fact that people can buy their own servers. This spreads out all developmental workforce and has had a negative effect on our community. Think about it, back then people wanted to develop on their home servers. Now what happens? People go off, start their own fail-projects and get their friends in on it.

Instead of improving their development on their home servers and contributing to them, they instead break off and do their own little thing. You may think that its only a few people that are like this, but you'd be surprised.

Can't get hired on your home server? No problem, start your own rip off!

I think that for a month or two, limit the amount of servers there can be at once to about 75. That way it's still getting some money and there'll be more development?
More/better development = More Hosted/Classic Servers = $$$$ by upgrading.
More servers = $$$$ by server hosting. If there are more people that play Graal and have a reason to upgrade, I don't see why this won't work both for CJ and the players.

[Inverness]

Aeon could have gone classic years ago if they hadn't decided to try to make 4 playerworlds at once.

[GarethOmni]

Graal is dying for the same reason that your local pre-school doesn't teach algebra.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Valikorlia is the only original -ia. All those other -ia's are just imitating.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Valikorlia is the only original -ia. All those other -ia's are just imitating.

What a wise statement

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Crow

What a wise statement

I originally tried to fit it in to that Eminem song, but decided Valikorlia and Eminem is a universe-ending combination.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

I originally tried to fit it in to that Eminem song, but decided Valikorlia and Eminem is a universe-ending combination.

Hm, who knows. Maybe it works. Gotta try that

[Yocas]

Val was cool before it became a RP fest. Regardless of that, the server itself is still pretty nice.

[DarkReaper0]

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

What are you even trying to say?

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by kia345

What are you even trying to say?

that we should leave this forum to die and hopefully someone from the development team will logon and decide to make graal free again.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

I'm neither and I played Valikorlia from 2002 to 2005 and still occasionally visit it.

[Yocas]

Originally Posted by DarkReaper0

Valikorlia is basically a haven for the nerds of graal.

So basically the super-nerds of the nerds.

Not really. It's just for people who like strictly RPing; which isn't much. RPing is boring as hell imo. Why RP when you could actually do the action or play the role for real?

[Umat]

I just don't know what to do or where to go on Valikorlia. They didn't even have me interested for more than 5 minutes. :P

The graphics are good and it seems to have potential. Does it have any quests? If so I've totally missed those.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Umat

I just don't know what to do or where to go on Valikorlia. They didn't even have me interested for more than 5 minutes. :P

The graphics are good and it seems to have potential. Does it have any quests? If so I've totally missed those.

Not now, no, but 5-6 years ago it was fun and the server's populance was much more welcome to non-Valikorlians. Today it seems that anyone new who wants an ounce of fun is deemed a troll and jailed/banned as swiftly as possible.

[Umat]

lol, that's awful. They should take it away from the playerworlds tab then. :P Atlantis should also be taken away. Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

lol, that's awful. They should take it away from the playerworlds tab then. :P Atlantis should also be taken away. Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

Atlantis is pretty nice, aside from only being able to understand 15 percent of it. A few months ago, a few guys from GK hung out there while the server was sucking, and we actually had a good time for a few weeks leveling and such. The mining system was pretty fun, and the fact I had no idea what I needed to craft things made it more of a challenge. And being an archer is nice.

Val is actually nice too, it's not a run+level server like you want, it's straight RP'ing. Yeah, you'll get ran off if you act like an idiot (or do anything out of line), but if you're not trying to be stupid and actually put effort into being involved and inline, it's great.

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Umat

Atlantis should also be taken away

No way, Atlantis recently got a new Manager, and it's actually Jack Jasra
I didn't see yet what's going on there, but he's often on, so there are more people on Atlantis now, it's still alive.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Umat

Make places for new servers that has quality content (if there is any).

To be honest Valikorlia has some of the highest quality content and has been this way for years. While everyone else was just understanding the implications of custom ganis on non-p2p playerworlds, Valikorlia was already using custom weapons in 2002 along with nice monster gani weapons. By 2003 they had a nice gui (for it's time) and RPG system. 2004 saw a very good looking worldmap and they were already shrinking players (to fit with the worldmap).

Even today, it has some nice tiles and some talented artists. It's a shame most of them only make graphics (heads, bodies, etc) for themselves, and not for Valikorlia or Graal as a whole though. Then again, you can't really blame them. ("PAY 2 DEVELOP LOLS!!1").

[Umat]

I like servers that's more straight forward with quests where you get items and such. Seems to be none except Classic right now. And Classic has too few quests. I have played through their quests as guest a couple of time just for the sake of it.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

I like servers that's more straight forward with quests where you get items and such. Seems to be none except Classic right now. And Classic has too few quests. I have played through their quests as guest a couple of time just for the sake of it.

Just because you like it doesn't mean that's the only kind of server worth having. I enjoyed Atlantis a lot. Val's playerbase is mostly people who have been around for ages, so apparently it's working for them.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

Just because you like it doesn't mean that's the only kind of server worth having. I enjoyed Atlantis a lot. Val's playerbase is mostly people who have been around for ages, so apparently it's working for them.

No, I didn't say that. I just said that I prefer that. But if 99 percent of the servers is RP-servers, wouldn't it be nice to make place for one more adventure/quest server?

I like playing RP-servers too, but I'd like to have a purpose to what I do, other than slashing newbies outside the OSL-location on Zodiac. :P

Look at other MMORPGs, they have some type of quest (even if it's just a boss to team up to be able to defeat). I might've missed all this because of miss information on the servers I've played on.

Originally Posted by alexandralove

No way, Atlantis recently got a new Manager, and it's actually Jack Jasra
I didn't see yet what's going on there, but he's often on, so there are more people on Atlantis now, it's still alive.

Oh, I didn't know there was a revival there. It seems so dead most of the time. :/

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Umat

No, I didn't say that. I just said that I prefer that. But if 99 percent of the servers is RP-servers, wouldn't it be nice to make place for one more adventure/quest server?

I like playing RP-servers too, but I'd like to have a purpose to what I do, other than slashing newbies outside the OSL-location on Zodiac. :P

Zodiac is not an RP server. Val is an RP server, GK is occasionally an RP server. Zodiac is not.

Look at other MMORPGs, they have some type of quest (even if it's just a boss to team up to be able to defeat). I might've missed all this because of miss information on the servers I've played on.

Other MMORPG's multiple 'servers' are managed by the same people and have the same content. And most MMORPGs are miserable RPGs where no one RPs, it's just the same as Zodiac.

[Umat]

Originally Posted by kia345

Zodiac is not an RP server. Val is an RP server, GK is occasionally an RP server. Zodiac is not.



Other MMORPG's multiple 'servers' are managed by the same people and have the same content. And most MMORPGs are miserable RPGs where no one RPs, it's just the same as Zodiac.

Now I get it. It's like going out to play an orc in the woods except you're doing this with your character online... :P

[kia345]

"Role playing" sounds less pitiful.